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Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 10:52 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by flash_uk
10:48 They're doing their very best to throw this one away...Taylor and Butler both gone.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:25 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by LGTrotter
djewesbury wrote:Two port houses are batting for England at the moment. Can anyone remember when the last time this happened might have been, before Morgan and Taylor?
Top port/cricket crossover fact
. Are we allowed first names too? As in Graham Swann.
Oh we won. Nothing much to moan about here now. Apart from Bell.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:52 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by jdaw1
Alas not quite Buttler ≠ Butler Nephew.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 12:22 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by djewesbury
Yes I wondered whether Buttler should be allowed but I decided against.
Croft would have batted with Cork of course, and that would have provided a timely opportunity to open a bottle once Cork was out.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 12:24 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by djewesbury
And Croft would also have got both Waughs out a few times..!
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 13:18 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by LGTrotter
There was a GRJ Roope who played for England, as did CP Schofield. D'Oliveira could form the basis of Madeira based cricket trivia. I assume that JF Crapp would represent Real Vinicola or whatever they are called.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 13:43 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by djewesbury
I think once you'd got past D'Oliveira your Madeira XI might start to struggle. I don't have my Wisdens to hand but I cannot recall a Blandy or a Barbeito emerging from the Long Room on a late summer's afternoon.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 15:21 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by flash_uk
LGTrotter wrote:Are we allowed first names too? As in Graham Swann.
You could have Graham Onions perhaps, but not Graeme Swann.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 15:52 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by djewesbury
flash_uk wrote:LGTrotter wrote:Are we allowed first names too? As in Graham Swann.
You could have Graham Onions perhaps, but not Graeme Swann.
Regardless, the answer is no.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 18:32 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by LGTrotter
Lots of Smiths, no English Woodhouses, there is a Zimbabwian, he could have played with a Smith.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 18:57 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by djewesbury
Owen, get on Cricinfo and find that match. Go on. Do it for us.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 19:04 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by djewesbury
Owen, how did you miss Somerset batsman George Woodhouse?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 20:58 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by jdaw1
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 21:05 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by djewesbury
Nice, but neither of them played for England and their active careers were about 60 years apart.
So far we have still found no other English port-house partnership.
Is this worth an email to TMS?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 22:50 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by LGTrotter
djewesbury wrote:So far we have still found no other English port-house partnership.
Is this worth an email to TMS?
Oh yes, that or wait until they are both in next time and get to twitter.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 22:51 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by djewesbury
LGTrotter wrote:djewesbury wrote:So far we have still found no other English port-house partnership.
Is this worth an email to TMS?
Oh yes, that or wait until they are both in next time and get to twitter.
That might not be too soon.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 23:00 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by LGTrotter
djewesbury wrote:LGTrotter wrote:djewesbury wrote:So far we have still found no other English port-house partnership.
Is this worth an email to TMS?
Oh yes, that or wait until they are both in next time and get to twitter.
That might not be too soon.
Yeah, anyway that celebrity junkie Wiseman will get in there first, I swear he would turn up to the opening of a letter.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 23:11 Fri 30 Jan 2015
by djewesbury
They receive many thousands of emails so I don't expect a reply. If I could have encapsulated this in 140 characters perhaps I could have tweeted Jonathan Agnew, but this will have to do.
In an email to tms@bbc.co.uk, I wrote:
I'm writing as a fan both of English cricket and vintage port. Listening to this morning's ODI against India I heard something that, to the best of my knowledge, has never happened before in an England match in any format. I was wondering whether TMS listeners who share my enthusiasm might be able to verify this.
The realisation came during the partnership of Morgan and Taylor, as England's batting was collapsing. Taylor is a very famous port brand; Morgan was a less famous but still well-known port house until quite recently. I think this was the first time that two port brands have batted in partnership for England.
Can anyone out there enlighten me on this? Are there any Grahams, Warres, Dows, Cockburns, Skeffingtons or Smith-Woodhouses who might have shared an innings with (for instance) Robert Croft?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 19:03 Mon 09 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
On a brighter note, I now have tickets to both London Ashes tests. The next 7 weeks will pass in a blur of irrelevance while we wait for the real fun to start.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 22:21 Mon 09 Feb 2015
by LGTrotter
djewesbury wrote:On a brighter note, I now have tickets to both London Ashes tests. The next 7 weeks will pass in a blur of irrelevance while we wait for the real fun to start.
Hurray! An English summer would not be complete without your view from the boundary and attempts to smuggle seven courses and matching wines past the stewards.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 22:35 Mon 09 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
LGTrotter wrote:djewesbury wrote:On a brighter note, I now have tickets to both London Ashes tests. The next 7 weeks will pass in a blur of irrelevance while we wait for the real fun to start.
Hurray! An English summer would not be complete without your view from the boundary and attempts to smuggle seven courses and matching wines past the stewards.
At the Oval I will be accompanied by a young and enthusiastic cricket fan beloved of many here, who will help me in selecting the right wine for the hour of the day.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 23:05 Mon 09 Feb 2015
by AW77
djewesbury wrote:
At the Oval I will be accompanied by a young and enthusiastic cricket fan beloved of many here, who will help me in selecting the right wine for the hour of the day.
Let me guess, it's Derek, TPF's astronomer general?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 23:05 Mon 09 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
Yes. It was the 'young' bit, right?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 23:06 Mon 09 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
Yes. It was the 'young' bit, right?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 23:06 Mon 09 Feb 2015
by AW77
djewesbury wrote:Yes. It was the 'young' bit, right?
It sure was.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 08:30 Wed 11 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
Morgan out for 0. How many times is that now..?
Bring back Cook!
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 07:40 Fri 13 Feb 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:Morgan out for 0. How many times is that now..?
Bring back Cook!
Boycott, commenting on Morgan's performance, wrote:I think you need to look at when you score runs, in any form of cricket, against what the quality of the opposition is, and what state of the game it is. If you get runs against moderate bowlers when the team is doing well, I think my mother could get a few of them!
Is Daniel our Geoffrey?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 14:49 Fri 13 Feb 2015
by jdaw1
Twitterati might wish to know that
searching for #CWC15 reveals tweets allegedly on the subject of the Cricket World Cup 2015.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 15:09 Fri 13 Feb 2015
by DRT
Perhaps we should Tweet #TPF-IJNCWC15 so that others can follow our expert observations during the tournament?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 15:53 Fri 13 Feb 2015
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:Perhaps we should Tweet #TPF-IJNCWC15 so that others can follow our expert observations during the tournament?
Tweet a lot with both #tags and see what happens.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:24 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by DRT
Another duck for Morgan. The vultures will be circling.
Bell and Root also out cheaply. 85-5 chasing 342 is not the best of starts.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:00 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
How on earth can Anderson be run out when, prior to the review, the game was technically over and the ball dead? Surely that's a nonsense.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:06 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
How on earth can Anderson be run out when, prior to the review, the game was technically over and the ball dead? Surely that's a nonsense.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:08 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
Law 23. 'The ball will be deemed dead from the instant of the incident causing the dismissal.'
We seemed to have a situation where the players were supposed to complete their runs after the umpire's call, in case the umpire's call was overturned, so that if the umpire's call of out was overturned they wouldn't then be out! But isn't that dissent?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:08 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
That last paragraph should be on a tea-towel.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:16 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by DRT
In this particular instance I'm not sure it matters.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:17 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
It matters because the umpires are supposed to know the laws of the games. It's immaterial in this game except for Taylor; for whom it certainly matters.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:20 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by DRT
True. What I meant was that it didn't really matter in the context of how England would meet certain defeat following a largely shambolic performance.
Had they lost by a handful of runs it would have mattered a great deal.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:21 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by DRT
Morgan has scored only 2 runs in his last 5 innings. How many ducks does it take to make a crisis?
It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:24 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
Yes. He's never been up to the job. I frankly don't understand why he was given the captaincy.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:25 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
His county record is excellent but his general ODI form is fairly lousy.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:28 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
I think we need an old-fashioned Brearley-style captain. He can be a lousy player but has to be a match-winning strategist. When was the last time a bowler was captain (excluding Freddie)?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 12:13 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by LGTrotter
djewesbury wrote:I think we need an old-fashioned Brearley-style captain. He can be a lousy player but has to be a match-winning strategist. When was the last time a bowler was captain (excluding Freddie)?
Too late! Stick with Morgan until after the World Cup then ditch him. He was always going to be a stopgap, but he had a chance to shine and keep the captaincy. A chance which he has blown.
Brearley worked for tests, I'm not sure that a slow scoring middlin fielder is what they need another one of at the moment.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 21:44 Sat 14 Feb 2015
by Justin K
We could have done with him tomorrow and I bet he would have done better, nothing like national pride!
It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:31 Sun 15 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
The Windies were nearly beaten by Scotland the other day. Joyce seems to be playing well once again (another turncoat who's turned), and Ireland did well against Bangladesh.
I don't think you need Morgan to win. (But yes, he did stop scoring when he stopped wearing green.)
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 12:02 Sun 15 Feb 2015
by DRT
I listened to the Pakistan innings on R5LSX this morning and it sounded like a resounding victory for India. Good to see strong performances so early in the tournament - it bodes well for later on when we start to see the good teams playing against each other.
Roll on next Sunday - Ally McLeod tells me he's had a dream...
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 14:38 Sun 15 Feb 2015
by LGTrotter
Steady Derek you are starting to sound excited about the one dayers, whereas the main point of one day matches is so we can moan about the test side.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 15:39 Sun 15 Feb 2015
by DRT
Sorry. Schoolboy error.
What the hell was Root thinking yesterday? So much for him being the next best thing since sliced bread - more like the next Ian Bell!
Is that better?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 23:39 Sun 15 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
Looks like Ireland a doing a Sion Mills.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 23:47 Sun 15 Feb 2015
by LGTrotter
djewesbury wrote:Looks like Ireland a doing a Sion Mills.
Was she the one in Bananarama?