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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 07:36 Wed 25 Feb 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Well done for reporting yourself. Three Hail Marys and One How's Your Father should do it.
I see no need for the random capitalisation of the word one. Go to the back of the class.
I can't while you're sitting there.
You can sit on my knee :wink:
:shock:
:crying:

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 09:56 Wed 25 Feb 2015
by jdaw1
Soon I’ll publish the rules of a board game that I invented in my youth (hence the self-reporting above, which might even have been a false alarm).

Please compare:
> The black player takes all the North, Up and East movement cards.
> Black takes all the North, Up and East movement cards.
Does the former wording offend modern sensibilities? Is the latter’s chromanym acceptable? Preference?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 10:09 Wed 25 Feb 2015
by DRT
Yes, yes and the latter.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 11:55 Wed 25 Feb 2015
by PhilW
DRT wrote:Yes, yes and the latter.
+1, and I would likely put the player colour in italics.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 17:09 Tue 03 Mar 2015
by LGTrotter
It is well known that I am a recidivist of the first water on this thread. It is therefore with a heavy heart that I wish to draw the following to the standards committee.
djewesbury wrote:5-48.
The traditional way of expressing cricket scores in England is for the runs to come first and the wickets to come second, ie 48-5. I am aware that this is not the case in the antipodes, it is similar to the division that exists between Europe and America as to which order to put the day/month/year (obvious when put like that, but it pays to be polite to powerful allies, even if they are wrong).

So I hope that a simple reprimand and apology will be enough to bring one of our most traditional and vociferous defenders of the right way of doing things to heel. It gives me no pleasure at all to do this Daniel, oh no.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 17:10 Tue 03 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
You lickspittle. You turncoat. You parlour pooch.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 17:24 Tue 03 Mar 2015
by LGTrotter
An acknowledgement of the error and a simple apology then we can all move on.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 17:28 Tue 03 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
You threepenny keyboard worrier. I reserve the right to post the cricket score in any format that is widely used anywhere in the universe. And I will not be held to account by a man who refuses to groom and water his apostrophes. I have seen your punctuation marks running wild on the moors, and it isn't a pretty sight.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 21:52 Tue 03 Mar 2015
by DRT
LGTrotter wrote:I wish to draw the following to the standards committee.
djewesbury wrote:5-48.
The traditional way of expressing cricket scores in England is for the runs to come first and the wickets to come second, ie 48-5.
Guilty as charged. The accused is sentenced to three days breaking rocks and is charged with contempt of court and badgering the witness.

Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 21:56 Tue 03 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
It is perfectly standard in two of the biggest cricketing nations in the world, the ones hosting the competition in fact, to refer to the score the other way around. I am sick of this little Englander mentality from Owen, his neo-Imperialism is just what the game doesn't need these days. And you should know better Derek. Encouraging these Colonel Blimps.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:22 Tue 03 Mar 2015
by jdaw1
Not guilty. Move on.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:22 Tue 03 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:Not guilty. Move on.
At last. A judge with some common sense.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:25 Tue 03 Mar 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:some common sense.
Is a port forum the right place to find sense that is common? Move on.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:43 Tue 03 Mar 2015
by DRT
Grumble, harrumph, cough, wheeze. Nurse! More whisky! The Irish are revolting.

Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 11:05 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
I have a proposal, to discourage further wasting of the court's time. Could costs be awarded against the plaintiff in cases where the court's ruling is in favour of the defendant? Costs should be reasonably high, viz. a bottle of unfiltered LBV or pre-2000 Crusted to be consumed at a future tasting. No ruling for costs to be made against convicted defendants.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 11:16 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:I have a proposal, to discourage further wasting of the court's time. Could costs be awarded against the plaintiff in cases where the court's ruling is in favour of the defendant? Costs should be reasonably high, viz. a bottle of unfiltered LBV or pre-2000 Crusted to be consumed at a future tasting. No ruling for costs to be made against convicted defendants.
If this were a poll I would vote no as this would act as a deterrent to ridiculous and/or dubious allegations that eventually lead to entertaining humiliation of the plaintiff. Should we have a poll?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 11:17 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
Yes, let's have a Robert.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 15:05 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:I have a proposal, to discourage further wasting of the court's time. Could costs be awarded against the plaintiff in cases where the court's ruling is in favour of the defendant? Costs should be reasonably high, viz. a bottle of unfiltered LBV or pre-2000 Crusted to be consumed at a future tasting. No ruling for costs to be made against convicted defendants.
That risks causing an undesired change in the behaviour of accusers. Rather than accusing, plainly and honestly, notices will come with wiffle about how “this might be acceptable, but it seemed to be a borderline case of possible interest to readers”.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 16:30 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
Too much of the court's time is currently being taken up with vexatious or malicious accusations. These typically are motivated by revenge or by a desire to deflect from immediately prior accusations. Too often, accusations are unsubstantiated with any evidence of general or accepted usage. I do not wish to stifle the court and to silence legitimate complaint and debate. I think however that we need some sort of corrective to the worst excesses of the persistent accusers.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:04 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:Too much of the court's time is currently being taken up with vexatious or malicious accusations. These typically are motivated by revenge or by a desire to deflect from immediately prior accusations. Too often, accusations are unsubstantiated with any evidence of general or accepted usage. I do not wish to stifle the court and to silence legitimate complaint and debate. I think however that we need some sort of corrective to the worst excesses of the persistent accusers.
Ignore them. Be bigger than that.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:06 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
This is a sham of a court. A succession of monkey trials.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:46 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:This is a sham of a court. A succession of monkey trials.
I beg the court to send him down for contempt, or at the very least huffiness.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:47 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:This is a sham of a court. A succession of monkey trials.
I beg the court to send him down for contempt, or at the very least huffiness.
You should be watching Film Four, the film of Porridge is on. I often like to think of you as a modern-day Fletcher. He was a bad loser in court too.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:15 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:I have a proposal, to discourage further wasting of the court's time.
DRT wrote:I would vote no as this would act as a deterrent to ridiculous and/or dubious allegations that eventually lead to entertaining humiliation of the plaintiff.
jdaw1 wrote:That risks causing an undesired change in the behaviour of accusers.
djewesbury wrote:Too much of the court's time is currently being taken up with vexatious or malicious accusations. These typically are motivated by revenge or by a desire to deflect from immediately prior accusations. Too often, accusations are unsubstantiated with any evidence of general or accepted usage. I do not wish to stifle the court and to silence legitimate complaint and debate. I think however that we need some sort of corrective to the worst excesses of the persistent accusers.
jdaw1 wrote:Ignore them. Be bigger than that.
djewesbury wrote:This is a sham of a court. A succession of monkey trials.
...and apparently I'm the bad loser :roll:

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:22 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
Carry on Fletcher.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:36 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:Carry on Fletcher.
Thank you Mr Baraclough.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 21:01 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Carry on Fletcher.
Thank you Mr Baraclough.
Sir, Barraclough has two Rs.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:20 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Carry on Fletcher.
Thank you Mr Baraclough.
Sir, Barraclough has two Rs.
I think you will find it has two rs.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:21 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
I think you will find that they are both the 18th letter of the alphabet. It is common practice to write a letter in majuscule when referring to it as a noun.
(This is fun, isn't it.)

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:38 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:This is fun, isn't it.
I'm just killing time until the Moon comes up. Not sure what your excuse is.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:14 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:I think you will find it has two rs.
Indeed, bringing us back on topic, it is not unusual to use an apostrophe for the plural of a lower-case letter: viz, two r’s.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:31 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:I think you will find it has two rs.
Indeed, bringing us back on topic, it is not unusual to use an apostrophe for the plural of a lower-case letter: viz, two r’s.
Thank you for that helpful information. Does the same apply to upper case?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:57 Sun 08 Mar 2015
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:I think you will find it has two rs.
Indeed, bringing us back on topic, it is not unusual to use an apostrophe for the plural of a lower-case letter: viz, two r’s.
Thank you for that helpful information. Does the same apply to upper case?
I believe both, but it is less important: “Rs” can be clear; “rs” less so.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 13:50 Wed 11 Mar 2015
by jdaw1
Do we have a team opinion about split infinitives?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 14:21 Wed 11 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
I refer the honourable admin to the opinion I posted hundreds of pages ago. There is no such thing as a split infinitive in English. The idea of the split infinitive was invented by a blinkered public school headmaster trying to extrapolate English grammar rules from a dead language in which the infinitive is a single word and therefore cannot be split. That doesn't mean I'm a relativist, descriptive, wishy-washy, political-correctness-gone-mad blouse-wearing skunk. It means I am English, not Roman.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 14:22 Wed 11 Mar 2015
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:Do we have a team opinion about split infinitives?
Wiki seems to suggest that objections to their use were invented in the 19th century and are now largely considered irrelevant nonsense. I agree.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 14:23 Wed 11 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:Do we have a team opinion about split infinitives?
Wiki seems to suggest that objections to their use were invented in the 19th century and are now largely considered irrelevant nonsense. I agree.
*sigh*
See above.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 15:04 Wed 11 Mar 2015
by DRT
Our posts crossed, and we were saying the same thing.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:51 Wed 11 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:Our posts crossed, and we were saying the same thing.
Yes; one of us said it more elegantly, it's true. But the essential thrust was conveyed, and with admirable concision, in your missive.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:56 Wed 11 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:Gould Campbell & Co is a shipping company, not a wine producer, so by definition all of their wine (not grapes) are bought in

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 20:05 Wed 11 Mar 2015
by DRT
Stop wasting the court's time.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 20:18 Wed 11 Mar 2015
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:Do we have a team opinion about split infinitives?
Am not sure that I rarely if ever use one, but they do not worry me.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 21:03 Wed 11 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:Stop wasting the court's time.
Contempt of court. Sackcloth with extra sharp scratchy bits for you.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 21:48 Wed 18 Mar 2015
by PhilW
The BBC, [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-31941672]here[/url] wrote:According to Prime Minister Essid, 19 people were killed, although some of the country's involved have different totals:

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 16:27 Fri 20 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
AHB wrote:Like when you take a bite out of a Cadbury Crème Egg.
I know what Alex's defence will be. "I did it on purpose.
Well the court is not interested in motive, only in evidence of infraction. Well, the evidence is there in his own words, and I bring to the court also this exhibit.
I am pressing for a guilty charge.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 21:52 Mon 23 Mar 2015
by Alex Bridgeman
djewesbury wrote:
AHB wrote:Like when you take a bite out of a Cadbury Crème Egg.
I know what Alex's defence will be. "I did it on purpose.
Well the court is not interested in motive, only in evidence of infraction. Well, the evidence is there in his own words, and I bring to the court also this exhibit.
I am pressing for a guilty charge.
What are you going on about? Are you sure you're feeling all right? Temperature? Hot flushes? Other symptoms of delusion or hysteria?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 21:53 Mon 23 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
Crème Egg??

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 13:57 Tue 24 Mar 2015
by Alex Bridgeman
djewesbury wrote:Crème Egg??
Do you not have your eggs crèmed for you by Cadbury?

More seriously, I appear to be guilty as charged. The iPhone decided to add the grave accent and I didn't spot the auto-correction.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 14:06 Tue 24 Mar 2015
by djewesbury
AHB wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Crème Egg??
Do you not have your eggs crèmed for you by Cadbury?

More seriously, I appear to be guilty as charged. The iPhone decided to add the grave accent and I didn't spot the auto-correction.
At last, a conviction. Now we can have lunch.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:55 Tue 24 Mar 2015
by Glenn E.
AHB wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Crème Egg??
Do you not have your eggs crèmed for you by Cadbury?

More seriously, I appear to be guilty as charged. The iPhone decided to add the grave accent and I didn't spot the auto-correction.
But... but... Siri knows all! Clearly, therefore, it must be Daniel who is wrong.

Shh, Daniel, or the ghost of Steve Jobs will make your iPhone stop working. You're clearly using it wrong.