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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:42 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by jdaw1
PhilW wrote:Am missing the issue?
Self-evidently.
PhilW wrote:(capitalisation?)
No.
djewesbury wrote:Oh no! Someone accidentally walked into the room marked 'Do not disturb the pedant'.
I am delighted to learn that you did not think that I was already disturbed.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:28 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:
PhilW wrote:Am missing the issue?
Self-evidently.
What is the crime?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:59 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by djewesbury
I never intimated that I didn't think you were disturbed. But I thought that you shouldn't be disturbed. Can we have a new thread where we can post examples of nuance?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 21:55 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by jdaw1
PhilW wrote:What is the crime?
A masculine ordinal (“º”) is not a degree sign (“°”).

Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:02 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by djewesbury
I didn't see a masculine ordinal when I looked at the blog page. On my screen it's a degree sign.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:29 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:I didn't see a masculine ordinal when I looked at the blog page. On my screen it's a degree sign.
Pray tell sir, by what signs would you know the difference?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:32 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by Glenn E.
jdaw1 wrote:
PhilW wrote:What is the crime?
A masculine ordinal (“º”) is not a degree sign (“°”).
Interesting. I thought the crime was the use of "gave."

To my ear the sentence sounds similar to saying "the temperature in London gave 12 today."

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:39 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I didn't see a masculine ordinal when I looked at the blog page. On my screen it's a degree sign.
Pray tell sir, by what signs would you know the difference?
Daniel, please post your answer here to save us the trouble.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:52 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I didn't see a masculine ordinal when I looked at the blog page. On my screen it's a degree sign.
Pray tell sir, by what signs would you know the difference?
Daniel, please post your answer here to save us the trouble.
Derek, why don't you answer for me? You clearly have the answer a your fingertips.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:54 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I didn't see a masculine ordinal when I looked at the blog page. On my screen it's a degree sign.
Pray tell sir, by what signs would you know the difference?
Daniel, please post your answer here to save us the trouble.
Derek, why don't you answer for me? You clearly have the answer a your fingertips.
Classic deflection technique. Have you read that book I sent you yet?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:58 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I didn't see a masculine ordinal when I looked at the blog page. On my screen it's a degree sign.
Pray tell sir, by what signs would you know the difference?
Daniel, please post your answer here to save us the trouble.
Derek, why don't you answer for me? You clearly have the answer a your fingertips.
Classic deflection technique. Have you read that book I sent you yet?
Yes that was a classic deflection. By you. Yes. I read it twice.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:00 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I didn't see a masculine ordinal when I looked at the blog page. On my screen it's a degree sign.
Pray tell sir, by what signs would you know the difference?
Daniel, please post your answer here to save us the trouble.
Derek, why don't you answer for me? You clearly have the answer a your fingertips.
Classic deflection technique. Have you read that book I sent you yet?
Yes that was a classic deflection. By you. Yes. I read it twice.
And you answer to JDAW's question is...?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:01 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I didn't see a masculine ordinal when I looked at the blog page. On my screen it's a degree sign.
Pray tell sir, by what signs would you know the difference?
Daniel, please post your answer here to save us the trouble.
Derek, why don't you answer for me? You clearly have the answer a your fingertips.
Classic deflection technique. Have you read that book I sent you yet?
Yes that was a classic deflection. By you. Yes. I read it twice.
And you answer to JDAW's question is...?
Yes, I am Don Francisco's sister.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:02 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by djewesbury
And Julian needs a job. Or some occupational therapy at least.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:04 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I didn't see a masculine ordinal when I looked at the blog page. On my screen it's a degree sign.
Pray tell sir, by what signs would you know the difference?
Daniel, please post your answer here to save us the trouble.
Derek, why don't you answer for me? You clearly have the answer a your fingertips.
Classic deflection technique. Have you read that book I sent you yet?
Yes that was a classic deflection. By you. Yes. I read it twice.
And you answer to JDAW's question is...?
Yes, I am Don Francisco's sister.
Yes, we know that. Keep up. Back to your fabulous skill at identifying the differences in ordinals - please entertain the class with an answer that is actually an answer.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:05 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:And Julian needs a job. Or some occupational therapy at least.
Did you get that from Chapter 9 of the anthropology book - Why humans lash out at others when cornered?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:48 Wed 23 Sep 2015
by jdaw1
Get back in your matrimonial thread.
Wikipedia, in article entitled [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_indicator]Ordinal indicator[/url], wrote:Both º and ª redirect here. º is not to be confused with the degree symbol (°) or ring (diacritic) (˚)

The masculine ordinal indicator U+00BA (º) is often confused with the degree sign U+00B0 (°), which looks very similar in many fonts and is available on Italian and Spanish keyboard layouts. The degree sign is a uniform circle and is never underlined, while the letter o may be oval or elliptical and have a varying line thickness. The letter o may also be underlined.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 06:35 Thu 24 Sep 2015
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:
PhilW wrote:What is the crime?
A masculine ordinal (“º”) is not a degree sign (“°”).
A small circle which looked like a degree sign, was actually very slightly smaller than expected. Barely an error, let alone a crime, I think.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 08:19 Thu 24 Sep 2015
by jdaw1
PhilW wrote:Barely an error, let alone a crime, I think.
Even if in some fonts they are the same glyph, they are still different characters. Nonetheless:
jdaw1 wrote:Perhaps this is a bit harsh

Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 11:31 Thu 24 Sep 2015
by djewesbury
Obviously, if I were wrong, I would be very eager to say so. But we haven't yet proved that I was. Can JDAW please prove that there are separate glyphs in the font used on the Malvedos blog for these characters?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:55 Thu 24 Sep 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:separate glyphs in the font used on the Malvedos blog for these characters?
Irrelevant: it is the character that is wrong, which therefore might be shown using the wrong glyph on some browser on some system at some time.

As it does now. After repeated command-shift-+, to enlarge:

Safari:
Image

Chrome:
Image

Opera:
Image

Those are not degree symbols.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:55 Thu 24 Sep 2015
by djewesbury
Julian, has anybody ever suggested that you might have too much time on your hands?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 20:21 Thu 24 Sep 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:Julian, has anybody ever suggested that you might have too much time on your hands?
I saw it immediately, and posted. You doubting Thomases then waste two dozen posts arguing.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 20:23 Thu 24 Sep 2015
by djewesbury
You didn't answer the question.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:04 Thu 24 Sep 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:Obviously, if I were wrong, I would be very eager to say so.
Degree versus masculine ordinal: go on, say.
djewesbury wrote:Julian, has anybody ever suggested that you might have too much time on your hands?
People have said many things about me, including that. Some of the things people have said about me were true.

Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:30 Thu 24 Sep 2015
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Obviously, if I were wrong, I would be very eager to say so.
Degree versus masculine ordinal: go on, say.
I was wrong.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 22:20 Fri 25 Sep 2015
by djewesbury
PhilW wrote:Only recently? I thought the "moon turning to blood" was Old Testament (maybe New, I forget - it does sound more like something that would come from Revelations).
As revealed to St. John the Divine.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:36 Wed 30 Sep 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:No. You used a noun: affect. This is a word used by psychologists and refers to emotional states. Please reconsider.
Recalling my lesson, I have just removed a noun “affect” from a footnote. Thank you.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 09:18 Thu 01 Oct 2015
by djewesbury
djewesbury wrote:
PhilW wrote:Only recently? I thought the "moon turning to blood" was Old Testament (maybe New, I forget - it does sound more like something that would come from Revelations).
As revealed to St. John the Divine.
This crime still has not been atoned for.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 09:18 Thu 01 Oct 2015
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:No. You used a noun: affect. This is a word used by psychologists and refers to emotional states. Please reconsider.
Recalling my lesson, I have just removed a noun “affect” from a footnote. Thank you.
My pleasure.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 09:20 Thu 01 Oct 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:This crime still has not been atoned for.
I recognise that my dislike of propositional endings is much stronger than that of the authorities, so this might not be a crime. But it rankled.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 09:22 Thu 01 Oct 2015
by djewesbury
Up with which we will not put?
Regardless. The original crime demands a judgement.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 09:23 Thu 01 Oct 2015
by djewesbury
djewesbury wrote:Up with which we will not put?
Regardless. The original crime demands a judgement.
As a matter of interest, where else in the sentence would you propose to put this proposition?

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 10:08 Thu 01 Oct 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:As a matter of interest, where else in the sentence would you propose to put this proposition?
Substantial re-wording needed — yes, I know, hence the acknowledgement of my failing in this.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 10:09 Thu 01 Oct 2015
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:As a matter of interest, where else in the sentence would you propose to put this proposition?
Substantial re-wording needed — yes, I know, hence the acknowledgement of my failing in this.
Whatevs, babe. Now to the matter of the Book of Revelations.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 14:08 Thu 01 Oct 2015
by PhilW
djewesbury wrote:Now to the matter of the Book of Revelations.
I thought it was plural, but I see it is not; my error.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 20:09 Sat 03 Oct 2015
by jdaw1
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=95626#p95626]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=95361#p95361]Here[/url] Doggett wrote:I guessed at a Taylor's Q de TF 88 which I offer for members' amusement.
In the same post Doggett wrote:Did I get my apostrophe right there Julian?
Perfection! Even the use of ‘which’ rather than ‘that’ is commended.
No crime; merely for the record.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 23:45 Fri 09 Oct 2015
by DRT
Today, my Facebook feed wrote:
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It is pleasing to see that the youth of today know how to use apostrophes.

Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 08:26 Sat 10 Oct 2015
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:‘politically-correct’
I changed my mind and thought this deserved citation. I am quite unshakeable on this one; no matter what arguments might be presented I am absolutely certain that any editor or proof reader will tell you this is wrong. Phrases consisting of adjectives modified by attributive adverbs ending in '-ly' should not be hyphenated.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 08:29 Sat 10 Oct 2015
by jdaw1
I vaguely recall that being grammatically correct. Oops.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 08:31 Sat 10 Oct 2015
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:I vaguely recall that being grammatically correct. Oops.
Manfully worn. Well done. Now chastise the politically correct correctly.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:37 Thu 19 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=96456#p96456]Here[/url] DRT wrote:Their Colheita's look very reasonably priced

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 18:40 Thu 19 Nov 2015
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=96456#p96456]Here[/url] DRT wrote:Their Colheita's look very reasonably priced
:oops:

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:10 Thu 19 Nov 2015
by DRT
Clutching at straws, but...
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10131]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:... iff permission is granted, will then do as you say.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 20:30 Thu 19 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iff wrote:In logic and related fields such as mathematics and philosophy, if and only if (shortened iff) is a biconditional logical connective between statements.
In my sentence does “if and only if” fit as an expansion of “iff”? (Clue: yes.)

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 00:15 Mon 30 Nov 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:Phrases consisting of adjectives modified by attributive adverbs ending in '-ly' should not be hyphenated.
It seems that this was not my first offence of this crime.
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=74984#p74984]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:we have jointly composed this standard advice, that covers the most frequently-seen situations.
Failing sudden pleas for clemency, the hyphen will die.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 14:15 Tue 01 Dec 2015
by jdaw1
The ellipsis bothers me. I recognise that others might be bothered by other things, not necessarily the straight single quotation marks (“'”), but the ellipsis is wrong.

Indeed, the whole message needed editing.
• “Our organisation hates … We object”: singular or plural? Is this pronouncement from the organisation, or from its members? Decide and be consistent.
• What are “food resources”? Just food? And are you object to the food resources — what did they do? — or to their consumption? An editor might have sharpened this to “We object to you consuming so much food.”
• “And we do not understand”: generally, those not understanding should be quiet. Those not understanding often aren’t quiet, but should be.
• Then “why you fail to grasp”: I am tubby, and fully grasp that being less tubby would be good. But not as good as eating and drinking are good.
• And “beatiful” is not beautiful spelling.

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 19:50 Tue 08 Dec 2015
by jdaw1
Project X Alien Adventures: Brown Book Band, Oxford Level 9:
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Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 00:05 Sun 13 Dec 2015
by jdaw1
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=96875#p96875]Here[/url] Doggett wrote:The Niepoort 57 colheita can confirm it's attendance on Tuesday....

Re: Apostrophe crimes

Posted: 00:07 Sun 13 Dec 2015
by Doggett
Damn...I had hoped not to appear in this thread! :wink: