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Interesting how Strakers charge a flat rate Buyer's Premium of £8.40 (inc VAT) per lot-good for cases but less so for small lots (and there are quite a few individually lotted bottles of Port). As Tom says, not much of interest-which is a pity as I'm driving down the M4 the following Friday and so would be able to pop in and collect if successful. I assume interest in the Niepoort '75 is more for rarity value as the '75s haven't got much else to recommend them have they?

Ian

I assume interest in the Niepoort '75 is more for rarity value

Correct.

I'm thinking the '75 vintage deserves just one horizontal - in it's 40th year; but I only have ten at present, so need a few more..

uncle tom wrote:I'm thinking the '75 vintage deserves just one horizontal - in it's 40th year

I think it should have been in its fifteenth year, 1990. But I’m notoriously sceptical of the ’75s.

jdaw1 wrote:

uncle tom wrote:I'm thinking the '75 vintage deserves just one horizontal - in it's 40th year

I think it should have been in its fifteenth year, 1990. But I’m notoriously sceptical of the ’75s.

If this is to be done the wines should be purchased now. 1975 is currently priced reasonably for what it is. Two years from now the price will be double and the wine will be slightly worse than it is now.

I vote yes. Tom should start a new planning thread so that people can declare what they have.

Unless it's a coincidence (which it's not) then that Niepoort '75 has popped up on bid for wine. Talking of bfw I noticed that the three bottles of G70 didn't last long a someone from here perchance?! Anyone having an interest in the bonhams sale next week? I see that the buyer's premium has been increased.

idj123 wrote:Unless it's a coincidence (which it's not) then that Niepoort '75 has popped up on bid for wine. Talking of bfw I noticed that the three bottles of G70 didn't last long a someone from here perchance?! Anyone having an interest in the bonhams sale next week? I see that the buyer's premium has been increased.

And the Berisford 1980 from the same lot I presume (having never seen it anywhere else)

Also noticed this. Aren't we an eagle eyed bunch. I'll bid £1.50 in 5 days.

Sadly I was trumped on the Ni75 at Strakers, so it's reported re-appearance at BFW (which I can't be bothered with..) - is no surprise. Derisory bids would be appropriate..!

However, I'm quietly confident that I can secure an ex cellars bottle if I push something amusing from my hoard in Dirk's direction..

I will take Derek's advice shortly, so we can launch a '75 horizontal without paying top dollar for stock.

Off topic slightly but I can't be bothered with bid for wine either, can't think it's a good way to get wine. Not sure why really.

Things I've bought on BFW: a bottle of G77, smashed in transit (packed in a little bit of bubble wrap and a tight cardboard tube); some Ni97s that were not described correctly (i.e., leakers with brown sticky stuff all over the capsule).

Great isn't it.

I have bought too much stuff over the internet which has proved subtly but profoundly different on inspection to send them my money. Port by post, Tchah.

I have had some success on BFW, particularly with the chap selling the Ni75.

Please leave alone and I will bid for the team.

DRT wrote:I have had some success on BFW, particularly with the chap selling the Ni75.

Please leave alone and I will bid for the team.

Message received.

djewesbury wrote:

DRT wrote:I have had some success on BFW, particularly with the chap selling the Ni75.

Please leave alone and I will bid for the team.

Message received.

And understood (Narnia)

I note that the price paid at Strakers for the N75 and Beresford 80 was £68.40 (inc BP) and so if DRT is able to take a chunk out of this that would be mildly satisfying!

DRT wrote:

jdaw1 wrote:

uncle tom wrote:I'm thinking the '75 vintage deserves just one horizontal - in it's 40th year

I think it should have been in its fifteenth year, 1990. But I’m notoriously sceptical of the ’75s.

If this is to be done the wines should be purchased now. 1975 is currently priced reasonably for what it is. Two years from now the price will be double and the wine will be slightly worse than it is now.

I vote yes. Tom should start a new planning thread so that people can declare what they have.

Some 75s at Brightwell's next Wednesday..

Some 75s at Brightwell's next Wednesday..

None that I don't already have though

uncle tom wrote:

Some 75s at Brightwell's next Wednesday..

None that I don't already have though

Of course!

We seem to be into auction season as there are a number upcoming with one or two interesting lots (to my untrained eye). Anyone planning to take an interest-I don't wish to stand on any forumite's toes? I'm intending attending the Drewatts auction in a couple of weeks. I wonder how different experience it will be to Bonhams last month, when I turned up half an hour before the Port lots and there were only two 'punters' in the room and one of those disappeared before the Port lots! Was also slighly amusing when the auctioneer seeing what he felt was a derisory bid for two dozen Vargellas opined 'that doesn't seem like much for 24 bottles' which prompted the one other chap in the room to put up his hand and secure the lot!

Jaw Jaw is better than War War (WSC)

If you're chasing something at auction, it pays to let me know...

Am I wrong or is the catalogue blank?
http://www.dnfa.com/media/dreweatts/auctions/13724.pdf

djewesbury wrote:Am I wrong or is the catalogue blank?
http://www.dnfa.com/media/dreweatts/auctions/13724.pdf

Working here atm.

PhilW wrote:

djewesbury wrote:Am I wrong or is the catalogue blank?
http://www.dnfa.com/media/dreweatts/auctions/13724.pdf

Working here atm.

And here.

How bizarre. Just tried it again and all pages after page 2 are blank... other catalogues working fine...

Yes, had no problems going via the the sale-room.

Tom,

I'll PM you with what I'm considering and for your advices.

Why so much Croft 82?

djewesbury wrote:Why so much Croft 82?

Cos it's so tasty and cheap (or at least was tasty a few years back when I ran out of it)

Gosh really?
These TNs:
2012
2011
2010
are (mostly) of the sort that an unimpressed person writes. With the exception of one or two in the 2011 tasting. And Mayson says that it 'disappointed', advising that it should be drunk up quickly...

But I am just making a judgement based on things I've read!!

My judgement is based on a lot of bottles for a tenner each. I think Mr Broadbent was nice about it too. In fairness I think it was fading when I last had it.

LGTrotter wrote:My judgement is based on a lot of bottles for a tenner each. I think Mr Broadbent was nice about it too. In fairness I think it was fading when I last had it.

Do you mean a lot like an auction lot, or a lot like "I lost count"?

Ah I see the distinction, I mean I lost count.

Excellent.

LGTrotter wrote:

djewesbury wrote:Why so much Croft 82?

Cos it's so tasty and cheap (or at least was tasty a few years back when I ran out of it)

Completely agree. Was very, very cheap - and pleasant, and long since consumed. That being said, given roughly similar pricing now (at FRW), I think I would buy the 1994 Graham instead.

TLW wrote:

LGTrotter wrote:

djewesbury wrote:Why so much Croft 82?

Cos it's so tasty and cheap (or at least was tasty a few years back when I ran out of it)

Completely agree. Was very, very cheap - and pleasant, and long since consumed. That being said, given roughly similar pricing now (at FRW), I think I would buy the 1994 Graham instead.

And who could disagree with that?

LGTrotter wrote:

TLW wrote:

LGTrotter wrote:

djewesbury wrote:Why so much Croft 82?

Cos it's so tasty and cheap (or at least was tasty a few years back when I ran out of it)

Completely agree. Was very, very cheap - and pleasant, and long since consumed. That being said, given roughly similar pricing now (at FRW), I think I would buy the 1994 Graham instead.

And who could disagree with that?

Quite. I will be buying more of that.

Does anyone have any recommendations for a reliable and good value delivery firm that I can use to transport a stash of bottles I secured at the Hartleys auction last week? Their recommendation-Mailboxes, want to charge a fee in excess of £200 (including packing)!

Incidentally, mention of the Croft 82 in the previous posts reminds me that that the hammer price for a case of 12 at Drewatts yesterday was £200-which didn't seem bad value (and less than my quoted transportation quote above!).

Ask at Shiply.com.

Try Benelux - I have used them a number of times and they are generally reasonable
http://www.beneluxshipping.com/contact-us.html

Thanks for the responses-went with Benelux for a far more agreeable price (chap there was 'flabbergasted' by what mailboxes had quoted). Seems Benelux collect from most of the provincial auction houses. Interestingly, the chap there mentioned that they had seen a noticeable increase in Port traffic in recent times. Perhaps people are finally waking up!

idj123 wrote:Thanks for the responses-went with Benelux for a far more agreeable price (chap there was 'flabbergasted' by what mailboxes had quoted). Seems Benelux collect from most of the provincial auction houses. Interestingly, the chap there mentioned that they had seen a noticeable increase in Port traffic in recent times. Perhaps people are finally waking up!

He gives a very reasonable and fully insured service to Northern Ireland too. Do let him know that you mentioned him on the Port Forum, it can only help to inform people that they're being recommended here.

Can I suggest that we keep in touch via email / PM on upcoming auctions? Bigwoods, Straker Chadwick, Sotheby's (only one lot I can find, 6 mags of W85) and Tennants are all coming up. I have a few odd lots at each of these in mind. Let's make sure we aren't bidding against each other.

djewesbury wrote:Can I suggest that we keep in touch via email / PM on upcoming auctions? Bigwoods, Straker Chadwick, Sotheby's (only one lot I can find, 6 mags of W85) and Tennants are all coming up. I have a few odd lots at each of these in mind. Let's make sure we aren't bidding against each other.

Might do.

I'm watching Bonhams. I've watched about 25 lots. Not a single bid in the room. All to commission bids. Auctioneer looks cheesed off.

sotheby's and christies are two that I watch from the "international" auction houses

shoot me pm for my email

g-man wrote:sotheby's and christies are two that I watch from the "international" auction houses

shoot me pm for my email

I'm not actually bidding today. Just observing the prices that the VP goes for, and whether it goes in the room, online or on the book.

Am I getting old or do the prices at Strakers seem a bit on the high side this time around? Just before Christmas I suppose.

LGTrotter wrote:Am I getting old or do the prices at Strakers seem a bit on the high side this time around? Just before Christmas I suppose.

6 Graham 66 for 460? 12 Graham 94 for 350? Are they so bad?

£80 a go for 66 Graham doesn't seem a steal to me. The 94 had VAT or duty to pay I think which again is not so far off retail/broker prices.

So what you're saying is I'm old?

LGTrotter wrote:£80 a go for 66 Graham doesn't seem a steal to me. The 94 had VAT or duty to pay I think which again is not so far off retail/broker prices.

So what you're saying is I'm old?

The VAT was on the Vesuvio I think. Which went for £155 (+ £30ish).
I'm old too. I just don't expect any bargains any more.