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Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 14:08 Thu 23 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
Davy’s at St James’s: the Club Room.
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Lovely room; bad lighting; impressively huge decanter.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 14:09 Thu 23 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
Davy’s at St James’s: the Office.
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Great room for four; five would be acceptable; six tight; seven or more won’t fit.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 14:26 Thu 23 Oct 2014
by flash_uk
Mmm. Those pictures of the Club Room suggest that 14 in there will not be feasible, though 10 yes easily, 12 probably OK.

So it would seem that St James might be a place for 6,8,10,12 sittings. Woolgate can handle sittings of 10/12 and importantly 14 in the Brasserie, as well as 6 or 8 in the Boardroom.

I think it would be very useful to explore a little at Davy's St James when we visit. They also show a "Champagne Cellar" on the website which might be an option for more space...

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 15:00 Thu 23 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
flash_uk wrote:They also show a "Champagne Cellar" on the website which might be an option for more space...
Yes, rather like the tunnels at the Crusting Pipe, except that the tables are — growl — 75cm, and they can’t fit two side-by-side. (Occupied when I visited, so photographs weren’t taken.)

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 17:41 Thu 23 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
Davy’s at St James’s: notice to staff.
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Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 17:50 Thu 23 Oct 2014
by djewesbury
Oh for God's sake…

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 18:26 Thu 23 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:Oh for God's sake…
I would have phrased it differently, but the sentiment is exactly correct.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 18:54 Thu 23 Oct 2014
by flash_uk
I wonder how baked the plans for St James are. Perhaps we could ask Mr Davy if he would entertain a TPF QA of the proposed plans, including table specifications.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 09:09 Fri 24 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
jdaw1, by email to James Davy, wrote:We are booked in to Plantation Place for Wed 29th. Are you willing to join us?

We have also learnt that a refurb of St James’s is planned. One of our number asks:
> I wonder how baked the plans for St James are. Perhaps we could ask Mr Davy if he would entertain a TPF QA of the proposed plans, including table specifications.
http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 991#p82991
If you would like to reply, I’m happy to intermediate (though you are very welcome to reply directly).
James Davy, by email to jdaw1, wrote:Thanks for the invitation, I can’t make the 29th.
St James’ refurb is next summer. There are and will be many tables of different sizes, especially in the bookable area so the point is noted.
St James’ was one of the venues I was going to recommend to you with bigger tables than Holborn. In addition please note this applies to Champagne Charlies, Davy’s at Plantation, Davy’s at Woolgate, Truckles, Boot & Flogger, Davy’s Wine Vaults, Habit.
Hopefully a few there that will suit your group. All have private rooms ideal for tastings/suppers.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 00:59 Sat 25 Oct 2014
by DRT
Since its inception :tpf: has used Davy's wine bars as the location for >90% of its UK tastings. Should we be diversifying rather than staying on the same tracks in the hope of finding the kind of place and experience that we have enjoyed at TCP and TBH? Are the strategic visions of Davy's and :tpf: heading in the same direction?

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 01:01 Sat 25 Oct 2014
by djewesbury
I agree. It can't be impossible.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 10:09 Sat 25 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:Should we be diversifying
We eagerly await your specific suggestion.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 10:11 Sat 25 Oct 2014
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:Should we be diversifying
We eagerly await your specific suggestion.
You admit that you lack the imagination?

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 17:53 Sat 25 Oct 2014
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:Should we be diversifying
We eagerly await your specific suggestion.
It was a question rather than an assertion that I have a better plan.

What attributes are we looking for:

1. Central London
2. Reasonably priced, good quality grub
3. Private room(s) for up to 14 people with 35ish glasses each
4. Willingness/ability to supply lots of clean glasses at relatively short notice
5. Willingness to put up with our pedantry
6. Willingness to put up with our occasional invasion of their kitchen space
7. Good lighting
8. No music
9. Cool temperature
10. Custard

So, apart from about half the Davy's bars, does anyone know of anywhere that meets all of those criteria?

Have I missed anything? (that can be printed on a family-friendly forum)

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 18:10 Sat 25 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
11. Not going to bankrupt us with corkage.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 10:20 Thu 30 Oct 2014
by flash_uk
We tried Davy's at Plantation Place. Perfectly fine for 7 people. So far it seems that Davy's Woolgate Function room is our only option for tastings of 8-14 people.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 19:06 Thu 30 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=83411#p83411]Here[/url] idj123 wrote:In terms of the venue-obviously smaller than TBH and with less atmosphere but fine for up to 6/7 people. I'd rate the food ok-the steak was cooked as per order but was a little on the cool side. For their first time hosting, the service was good and they didn't appear to be in any immediate rush to turf us out. Didn't attend the Woolgate tasting (which seems to be currently first in the pecking order) but interesting taking :tpf: tastings on tour and I certainly wouldn't be averse to trying other venues.
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=83414#p83414]Here[/url] DRT wrote:The venue was adequate for this size of tasting and would be very comfortable for a group of four or five.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 19:07 Thu 30 Oct 2014
by jdaw1

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 19:51 Thu 30 Oct 2014
by jdaw1
The Board Room in Davy’s at Plantation Place is an excellent room for six, and accommodated seven without excessive cosiness. Eight would require that people be friendly, and nine+ doesn’t work. In the way of newly-constructed bars, a mite soulless, but only a mite. Service and food excellent.

The Board Room is the largest room at Plantation Place, so is unsuitable for fourteen-man tastings.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 12:00 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by Alex Bridgeman
The large room at Woolgate seemed to work well for the Ramos Pinto tasting, which I think was a full 14 man tasting.

Other (Davy's) venues we could try include:
- Davy's at Canary Wharf, used for this tasting in Feb 2013. At that time there were a number of private rooms suitable for our use.

- Bangers Bar & Grill, currently being managed by Ian Wright, an old friend of the forum and with rooms to fit 5-30 people. Not hugely convenient for me since it is located in Wilson Street, but perhaps worth a try.

The search for non Davy venues at sensible prices will continue...

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 12:36 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
AHB wrote:the Ramos Pinto tasting, which I think was a full 14 man tasting.
There were twelve of us at the Ramos Pinto tasting.

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Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 13:16 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:the Ramos Pinto tasting, which I think was a full 14 man tasting.
There were twelve of us at the Ramos Pinto tasting.
There was indeed twelve of us at RP vertical; We also measured and found that there should be sufficient space for the additional places needed to extend this to 14-man tasting in the same format, using 3xA4 sheets for glasses and room for food. This is the plan for the upcoming Martinez tasting.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 19:32 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by benread
I was chatting with a fellow Reigate dad at the weekend. We got onto the subject of port, the port forum and tasting venues. He suggested the Boot and Flogger and the pictures certainly look promising. It is south of the river, but being proximate to Southwark tube, London bridge (tube and mainline) and Waterloo, that may not be such an issue.

Does anyone have any experience of it as a venue?

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 20:10 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
benread wrote:Boot and Flogger
Links: streetmap.co.uk; maps.google.co.uk; bing.com.

Very convenient for this south-of-river person, so willing to give it a go. Ben: are you able to take charge and arrange a tasting?

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 20:37 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
The Boot and Flogger would be far more convenient than Canary Wharf, which is far enough east as to be almost not worth my while.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 20:52 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote:
benread wrote:Boot and Flogger
Links: streetmap.co.uk; maps.google.co.uk; bing.com.
Nice rooms. How is the lighting?

Private dining room:
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Dining room:
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Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 20:53 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
That dining room looks lovely.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 20:58 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by benread
I don't have the measurements, but the fact that table can seat two at each end bodes well!

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 21:05 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
benread wrote:I don't have the measurements, but the fact that table can seat two at each end bodes well!
The width of the chair I am sitting on is 48cm ≈ 18″.
djewesbury wrote:That dining room looks lovely.
jdaw1 wrote:Ben: are you able to take charge and arrange a tasting?

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 21:07 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by benread
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:That dining room looks lovely.
jdaw1 wrote:Ben: are you able to take charge and arrange a tasting?
At some stage, yes. That depends on me negotiating a pass, not easy with Christmas approaching and a number of existing commitments made. But I will see what can be agreed when Mrs R returns from her current travels. I am home alone - with a freshly decanted TTF 1986!

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 21:17 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by flash_uk
benread wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:That dining room looks lovely.
jdaw1 wrote:Ben: are you able to take charge and arrange a tasting?
At some stage, yes. That depends on me negotiating a pass, not easy with Christmas approaching and a number of existing commitments made. But I will see what can be agreed when Mrs R returns from her current travels. I am home alone - with a freshly decanted TTF 1986!
I think Jan/Feb is a worthy ambition, given the diary congestion between here and Christmas...

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 22:31 Mon 03 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
If those armchairs are about 18"-24" (seems reasonable) then the table is very wide. And I count 11 chairs on each side.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 15:30 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by idj123
Venue looks good and convenient for my exit point ie Waterloo albeit a little further from my entrance point ie Paddington. I assume that this was not on the list of Davy's earmarked for 'refurbishment'? Any opportunity for squeezing in pre-xmas or is the New Year more realistic?

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 21:37 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by CPR 1
In the name research I stand ready to do my duty! How about a bring a bottle in foil one night over the next couple of weeks if others are about?

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 21:48 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
Don't tell anyone I said this, but.. Wednesday 17th December?

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 22:19 Tue 04 Nov 2014
by flash_uk
djewesbury wrote:Don't tell anyone I said this, but.. Wednesday 17th December?
Works for me.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 07:21 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:Don't tell anyone I said this, but.. Wednesday 17th December?
We want to learn whether TB&F can cope with us. Would attempting a maiden tasting in the middle of Christmas-party season be setting up a failure?

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 07:52 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
Potentially. Maybe they wouldn't have room for us. Worth asking?

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 09:06 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by CPR 1
Works for me; woud be good to escape the madness and share some port......

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 09:11 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
I have permission for Wednesday 17th December. Daniel: you’re in charge.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 10:35 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Don't tell anyone I said this, but.. Wednesday 17th December?
We want to learn whether TB&F can cope with us. Would attempting a maiden tasting in the middle of Christmas-party season be setting up a failure?
Unfortunately I have a Christmas-related function that evening.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 11:54 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
In about an hour my Mz67 and Mz85 will be left at Woolgate for the Martinez tasting on Wednesday 26th November. That done, I’ll walk south to The Boot & Flogger to measure tables and photograph rooms. If any particular photos are wanted, request them soon.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 13:21 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by idj123
17 December also works for me but we may be doing well to secure in the midst of party season.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 13:57 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:In about an hour my Mz67 and Mz85 will be left at Woolgate for the Martinez tasting on Wednesday 26th November. That done, I’ll walk south to The Boot & Flogger to measure tables and photograph rooms. If any particular photos are wanted, request them soon.
If you are still online and not yet at the B&F perhaps you'd enquire about a table?

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 14:11 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
Your opinion is not being sought, is not wanted, and if proffered, will be ignored. The matter is settled: we are moving to The Boot & Flogger.

Supreme Commander, Imperial Port-Drinking Forces
London, 14:00.

(The correct reply is “Yes Sir!”.)

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 15:03 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
The Boot & Flogger has two rooms that could accommodate a fourteen-man tasting.

Descend half a storey to ‘The Ovens’, so named for a previous use rather than current heat. There is a very long room with a smaller space at the end. The table in that smaller space was 120cm × 300cm, or 4.03 A4 heights by 14.2 A4 widths. If necessary, the table could be turned to run the length of the ovens, and lengthened.

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Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 15:03 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
Descend another half story, to the ‘Red Room’, holding a table 129cm × 470cm, or 4.3 A4 heights by 22.3 A4 widths. There is a partition allowing the red room to be separated from the rest of the Boot & Flogger, and has a side table.

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Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 15:04 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
Further, there is the ‘Green Room’, which could hold up to eight of is. It was occupied, so not photographed.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 15:06 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:If you are still online and not yet at the B&F perhaps you'd enquire about a table?
He blanched when I mentioned a date in December. I think we’re full — and was so busy that I wanted let him do things other than talk to me.

Re: Possible new venues

Posted: 15:22 Wed 05 Nov 2014
by PopulusTremula
jdaw1 wrote:Further, there is the ‘Green Room’, which could hold up to eight of is. It was occupied, so not photographed.
I think it looks very promising indeed. Please say the B&F is not part of any future refurbishment plans.