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Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:48 Thu 06 Aug 2015
by LGTrotter
DRT wrote:djewesbury wrote:50-9, but surely Derek can tell us how England have thrown this away.
As Mike pointed out, England have still to bat
Goodness me. Let us not worry about England's batting, they have won this. I thought Australia had lost when they scored 136 last test, there is no coming back from this. But let us hope England can arrange to keep this one going for a few days, it might seem inhospitable to the Australians.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:55 Thu 06 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
Agreed. Inflicting the most ignominious defeat possible is what's now required. Looking forward to the Oval now.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 12:05 Thu 06 Aug 2015
by DRT
LGTrotter wrote:DRT wrote:djewesbury wrote:50-9, but surely Derek can tell us how England have thrown this away.
As Mike pointed out, England have still to bat
Goodness me. Let us not worry about England's batting, they have won this. I thought Australia had lost when they scored 136 last test, there is no coming back from this. But let us hope England can arrange to keep this one going for a few days, it might seem inhospitable to the Australians.
Don't worry, Owen, I was simply giving our correspondent from Bordeaux something to moan about. He seems to enjoy it.
I agree that even the (former) Wizards from Oz can't come back from this. Possibly career ending for some of their old guard?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 12:06 Thu 06 Aug 2015
by flash_uk
I think England will be OK with the bat. I don't think there was so much going on this morning that the pitch was unplayable. This group of AUS batsmen simply can't handle the ball moving about a bit. That is a normal day for the ENG guys. Plus some of the first session dampness and moisture will be lifting. I'll stick my neck out and say a century for both Cook and Lyth.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 12:16 Thu 06 Aug 2015
by LGTrotter
DRT wrote:Possibly career ending for some of their old guard?
Oh yes, my opening bid is Clarke. The Australians will be merciless.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 18:12 Thu 06 Aug 2015
by DRT
All things considered, I think England had quite a good day today. Apart from Bell, obviously.
What do they do now? Bat all day tomorrow and have a 500 run lead or declared at opening and take advantage of the early conditions to skittle Oz out before lunch?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 18:39 Thu 06 Aug 2015
by LGTrotter
Rooooootttt! as Derek is wont to say. So I say it too; Roooooootttt!
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 20:51 Thu 06 Aug 2015
by jdaw1
Careful: Australia’s top-scorer has a lifetime total of many tens of thousands of runs.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 22:48 Thu 06 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:Careful: Australia’s top-scorer has a lifetime total of many tens of thousands of runs.
Who, E. X. Tras?
I think England would be sensible to put a lead of 400 up if possible. Though there is an argument that we should have declared when we scored 30 and really kicked the sand in their barbie.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 23:40 Thu 06 Aug 2015
by jdaw1
Brave captaining today. To win the toss and put the other team into bat is non-standard. And paid handsomely. If Australia had won the toss, who would have batted first?
Finn, much praised by the shadow selectors of
, was sub-standard today. He conceded twenty-one runs (21 runs!) for his measly one wicket.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 07:31 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
I have to disagree about the non-standard nature of putting the other team in when the toss is won on a pitch with some green, under overcast skies.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 07:48 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by LGTrotter
And I have to disagree about the Finn thing.
Do England bat and bat? Is there a declaration coming? I sort of hope Australia take some wickets because England could have declared last night and not had to bat again. But keeping the Australians in the field for a day will be a nice torment for them.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 07:48 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:I have to disagree about the non-standard nature of putting the other team in when the toss is won on a pitch with some green, under overcast skies.
I defer to your knowledge. What proportion of toss winners do not then bat first?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:14 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by flash_uk
I think getting a bit of a total makes sense. Even if they declare at say a lead of 400 or 500, ENG would have three new balls available to take 10 AUS wickets across 3 and a bit days! And what better taunting than allowing Root a double century if he can manage it.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:31 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:djewesbury wrote:I have to disagree about the non-standard nature of putting the other team in when the toss is won on a pitch with some green, under overcast skies.
I defer to your knowledge. What proportion of toss winners do not then bat first?
I recommend reading the whole article, it's very interesting. It does record that at the time of writing (the 50th anniversary of the assassination of JFK) England was the only country where the team batting first still won more matches; but this needs to be weighted by determining how many teams
losing the toss and batting first went on to win, and this is a little too time-consuming for me to calculate right now (though I would offer "England at Edgbaston in 2005").
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:55 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by jdaw1
flash_uk wrote:I think getting a bit of a total makes sense. Even if they declare at say a lead of 400 or 500, ENG would have three new balls available to take 10 AUS wickets across 3 and a bit days! And what better taunting than allowing Root a double century if he can manage it.
Are England trying to ensure ever-greater certainty of winning this test, or are England trying to demoralise with a view to wining the next? The former requires a lead of, say, 400. But the latter favours declaring now.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:57 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:flash_uk wrote:I think getting a bit of a total makes sense. Even if they declare at say a lead of 400 or 500, ENG would have three new balls available to take 10 AUS wickets across 3 and a bit days! And what better taunting than allowing Root a double century if he can manage it.
Are England trying to ensure ever-greater certainty of winning this test, or are England trying to demoralise with a view to wining the next? The former requires a lead of, say, 400. But the latter favours declaring now.
I think we definitely need more time. Australia should be tired out, their bowling options exposed, Root allowed to go past 150 and beyond, and then they should be sent in to bat for a completely unachievable total.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 10:06 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by jdaw1
Broad is over-rated. He’s going to go downhill from here.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 10:30 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:Broad is over-rated. He’s going to go downhill from here.
Has someone hacked your account..?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 10:32 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:Has someone hacked your account..?
Perhaps, but not of which I am yet aware.
Do you think that Broad will repeat or exceed yesterday’s feat?
It's just not cricket
Posted: 10:34 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
I do not think the answer to that question has any bearing on whether or not he is over-rated. I fear your logic is fallacious.
EDIT: But yes, ha ha. Very good.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 15:13 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by LGTrotter
If this is going to finish tonight they are going to have to get on with it. Fortunately Australia are still showing the same steely determination to lose, so they might do it.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 20:14 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by DRT
I watched today on and off. It felt like England were making a meal out of what should have been a snack. Is that unfair?
Given the rapid fall of English wickets this morning I do think my idea that they should have declared at 11:00 and skittled the Aussies out before lunch wasn't a bad shout.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 20:58 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by flash_uk
DRT wrote:I watched today on and off. It felt like England were making a meal out of what should have been a snack. Is that unfair?
Given the rapid fall of English wickets this morning I do think my idea that they should have declared at 11:00 and skittled the Aussies out before lunch wasn't a bad shout.
I'm not sure things were so bad. The pitch was doing nothing special between 11 and 3, so a couple of guys like Rogers and Warner should be expected to put runs on. Yeah ENG had a couple of no ball wickets, but that aside, did most things well. They took 7 wickets in 2 sessions - what's wrong with that?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 21:59 Fri 07 Aug 2015
by LGTrotter
flash_uk wrote:DRT wrote:I watched today on and off. It felt like England were making a meal out of what should have been a snack. Is that unfair?
Given the rapid fall of English wickets this morning I do think my idea that they should have declared at 11:00 and skittled the Aussies out before lunch wasn't a bad shout.
I'm not sure things were so bad. The pitch was doing nothing special between 11 and 3, so a couple of guys like Rogers and Warner should be expected to put runs on. Yeah ENG had a couple of no ball wickets, but that aside, did most things well. They took 7 wickets in 2 sessions - what's wrong with that?
And they dropped a couple. And some edges didn't quite carry, nobodies fault but it did slow things up. Not much seemed to happen while the sun was out so I can see where Derek is coming from about the early declaration because there was a bit more cloud about in the morning. But overall; a bit unfair.
Edit; Oh, and England are going to win the Ashes tomorrow.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 06:13 Sat 08 Aug 2015
by DRT
LGTrotter wrote:overall; a bit unfair.
So not entirely unfair. Good, I am perhaps beginning to understand this game.
LGTrotter wrote:Edit; Oh, and England are going to win the Ashes tomorrow.
Indeed they are. Probably at around 11:20.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:49 Sat 08 Aug 2015
by LGTrotter
DRT wrote:LGTrotter wrote:Edit; Oh, and England are going to win the Ashes tomorrow.
Indeed they are. Probably at around 11:20.
After lunch, around a quarter past three.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 10:31 Sat 08 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
Both of you wrong. As usual.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:13 Sat 08 Aug 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:Both of you wrong. As usual.
And you having not made the effort to guess are claiming victory from other people's work. As usual.
Well done England, very well deserved.
Goodbye Michael Clarke.
Cookie is now crying. Get a grip man.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:21 Sat 08 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:djewesbury wrote:Both of you wrong. As usual.
And you having not made the effort to guess are claiming victory from other people's work. As usual.
Well done England, very well deserved.
Goodbye Michael Clarke.
Cookie is now crying. Get a grip man.
I knew you'd find some things to grumble about. Never happy. Well, I expect that I will be there on the day that the urn is presented at the Oval. See you there, Derek - oh, no, hang on…
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:38 Sat 08 Aug 2015
by jdaw1
Daniel, Derek! Girls! How long have you two been married? Enough petty squabbling.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:50 Sat 08 Aug 2015
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:Daniel, Derek! Girls! How long have you two been married? Enough petty squabbling.
Sorry, Sir. It was him, Sir - he keeps pulling my hair when you're not in the room.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 12:04 Sat 08 Aug 2015
by LGTrotter
DRT wrote:jdaw1 wrote:Daniel, Derek! Girls! How long have you two been married? Enough petty squabbling.
Sorry, Sir. It was him, Sir - he keeps pulling my hair when you're not in the room.
I was doing my homework quietly.
Predictions for the Oval? A washout is my prediction for the Saturday, with 10 overs bowled so no one gets their money back. It is traditional that the side who have won take there foot off the gas but Australia look too cooked to come back. I hope they bowl Rashid but I bet they don't.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 14:10 Sat 08 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
They would be wise to try someone who can spin the ball at the Oval - it would be a good opportunity to try someone out ahead of the UAE fixtures. Whether that's Rashid or not I'm unsure.
I have tickets for the Sunday. If Saturday is a washout then play is a cert then.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 14:54 Sat 08 Aug 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:the Oval ... I have tickets for the Sunday
- Great! So do... Oh. That's right, I had a ticket, but now I don't
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 00:49 Sun 09 Aug 2015
by LGTrotter
djewesbury wrote:Both of you wrong. As usual.
Stung by this criticism I would refer you to my comments on page 82 on the evening of the first day of the Edgbaston test;
LGTrotter wrote: Maybe we will look back and say this was the day Australia lost the Ashes.
And then compare to the sage words of Micheal Vaughan in the following interview given today;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33838377
Furthermore, my original guess has been off by one so far;
LGTrotter wrote:Cardiff; draw, Lords; Australia win, Edgbaston; England win, Trent Bridge; England win, Oval; Australia win.
I am content with three out of four.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 00:56 Sun 09 Aug 2015
by DRT
LGTrotter wrote:djewesbury wrote:Both of you wrong. As usual.
Stung by this criticism I would refer you to my comments on page 82 on the evening of the first day of the Edgbaston test;
LGTrotter wrote: Maybe we will look back and say this was the day Australia lost the Ashes.
And then compare to the sage words of Micheal Vaughan in the following interview given today;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/33838377
Furthermore, my original guess has been off by one so far;
LGTrotter wrote:Cardiff; draw, Lords; Australia win, Edgbaston; England win, Trent Bridge; England win, Oval; Australia win.
I am content with three out of four.
Very well done, Owen.
I think Daniel's desire to criticise others rather than having a punt himself is the rooooooooo-ooooooooot of the problem.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 01:00 Sun 09 Aug 2015
by LGTrotter
Rooootttt!
Number 1 in the world rankings!
Rooooooooootttt!!!
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 08:40 Sun 09 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
Someone has to be above the fray. Otherwise we'd all just be wrestling in the mud.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 14:51 Sun 09 Aug 2015
by DRT
I'm currently in Kraków, and that sounds like the place we are heading to this evening
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:10 Tue 11 Aug 2015
by Alex Bridgeman
I shall be at the Oval on Friday, a little miffed that the series is already decided but hoping to be able to give Clarke a resounding round of applause when he walks back to the pavilion after his first innings first ball duck.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:13 Tue 11 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
You mean Friday week of course. Or are you attending a county game?
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:21 Tue 11 Aug 2015
by Alex Bridgeman
djewesbury wrote:You mean Friday week of course. Or are you attending a county game?
I thought JDAW was our resident pendant. I appear to be mistaken.
You are, naturally, correct. I meant Friday week, or "the Friday" as you prefer.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:32 Tue 11 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
AHB wrote:djewesbury wrote:You mean Friday week of course. Or are you attending a county game?
I thought JDAW was our resident pendant.
Happy to take up the slack whenever it's needed.
AHB wrote:I appear to be mistaken.
Admitting your error is the first step to healing.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:45 Tue 11 Aug 2015
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:Admitting your error is the first step to healing.
Sage words. I'll remind you of them the next time you are wrong.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 09:47 Tue 11 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:djewesbury wrote:Admitting your error is the first step to healing.
Sage words. I'll remind you of them the next time you are wrong.
Vultures never heal.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 10:12 Tue 11 Aug 2015
by jdaw1
Daniel, Derek! Girls! How long have you two been married? Enough petty squabbling.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:32 Tue 11 Aug 2015
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:Daniel, Derek! Girls! How long have you two been married? Enough petty squabbling.
Sorry, Mum.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 11:33 Tue 11 Aug 2015
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:jdaw1 wrote:Daniel, Derek! Girls! How long have you two been married? Enough petty squabbling.
Sorry, Mum.
I'm being good.
Re: It's just not cricket
Posted: 16:31 Tue 11 Aug 2015
by Glenn E.
AHB wrote:I thought JDAW was our resident pendant.
I heard that he and Daniel swing both ways.