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Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 09:49 Wed 12 Feb 2025
by M.Charlton
Justin K wrote: ↑14:26 Tue 11 Feb 2025
I can't make it after all so will have to postpone my non flying travel experiment to a tasting (car, boat, train and tube). Enjoy Christopher!
That's a shame, Justin. @Christopher you've been added to the attendee list.
idj123 wrote: ↑18:26 Tue 11 Feb 2025
Should add that I have TTD, Kr, V and Ni (mag-I think).
Thanks, Ian. The original post has been updated.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 19:35 Wed 12 Feb 2025
by CPR 1
To update on bottles I can contribute Taylor, Niepoort, Portal and Noval - happy to bring more than 1 if that helps
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:30 Wed 12 Feb 2025
by M.Charlton
CPR 1 wrote: ↑19:35 Wed 12 Feb 2025
To update on bottles I can contribute Taylor, Niepoort, Portal and Noval - happy to bring more than 1 if that helps
Thanks, Charles. I’ve updated the first post.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:33 Wed 12 Feb 2025
by M.Charlton
Hello team,
Please post by 15/2/25 if there are any bottles you can offer (or indeed can no longer offer).
I’ll then post the lineup I propose for this tasting on 16/2/25.
Many thanks.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 23:30 Wed 12 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
The Pt and Pt+ that were previously described as being “in storage” are now in much more available storage. Indeed, one of each are standing for use at this tasting.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 23:02 Sun 16 Feb 2025
by M.Charlton
Hello folks,
Here's the initial assignment of bottles based on the indications of availability in the first post:
1. MC (Cr)
2. RON (G)
3. MPM (W)
4. HTWH (T)
5. CPR (N)
6. NAC (V)
7. PW (Pt – see below)
8. ZDR (Pt+ - see below)
9. MSC (F)
10. GEAG (Ni)
11. IDJ (Kr)
12. TC (Ck – see below)
13. JDAW (D)
14. CMAG (NiS- see below)
There are four people who do have not indicated that they have anything to offer.
Per Julian's post above, and having seen photo evidence of the availability of the same, the Pt and the Pt+ should be added to the tasting (thank you, Julian) - so with this in mind:
Please could I ask that PW arrange with Julian to obtain the Pt.
Please could I ask that ZDR arrange with Julian to obtain the Pt+.
Also, as Julian seems to have the bulk of the other bottles which map to the recent 2000 tasting:
Please could I ask that TC arrange with Julian to obtain the Ck.
Please could I ask that CMAG arrange with Julian to obtain the NiS.
Quite the heavy burden on you here, Julian. Please let me know if this is objectionable (it wasn't).
This means that the remaining bottles from the first post are:
• Roriz (JDAW)
• Sainsbury’s Taste The Difference (JDAW, GEAG, IDJ)
• Sandeman Vau (JDAW)
• Tesco (HTWH)
How many of these should be included (silly question, I fear, based on the number of bottles at the 2000 tasting!).
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 23:16 Sun 16 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
Just to confirm, JDAW is bringing Dow, Portal, Portal+, Cockburn, Niepoort Secundum, Roriz, and Sandeman Vau.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 23:18 Sun 16 Feb 2025
by M.Charlton
Heroic.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 00:09 Mon 17 Feb 2025
by winesecretary
I will attempt to pick up Ni and TTD from my country cellar next weekend.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 18:57 Mon 17 Feb 2025
by M.Charlton
Many thanks, George.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 19:13 Mon 17 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote: ↑23:16 Sun 16 Feb 2025Just to confirm, JDAW is bringing Dow, Portal, Portal+, Cockburn, Niepoort Secundum, Roriz, and Sandeman Vau.
Some explanation is obviously needed. When it was said that “JDAW is bringing … Sandeman Vau”, you were all — of course automatically and swiftly and unpromptedly — meant to scurry off to your cellars, followed by more than none of you reporting “Ooh, I have Sandeman and will bring it.”
How did that go?
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 19:19 Mon 17 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
The draft of
the placemats has been updated: −Justin, +Christopher; +Krohn, and assignment of who is bringing what. Please, to be checked.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 20:19 Mon 17 Feb 2025
by hadge
jdaw1 wrote: ↑19:13 Mon 17 Feb 2025
jdaw1 wrote: ↑23:16 Sun 16 Feb 2025Just to confirm, JDAW is bringing Dow, Portal, Portal+, Cockburn, Niepoort Secundum, Roriz, and Sandeman Vau.
Some explanation is obviously needed. When it was said that “JDAW is bringing … Sandeman Vau”, you were all — of course automatically and swiftly and unpromptedly — meant to scurry off to your cellars, followed by more than none of you reporting “Ooh, I have Sandeman and will bring it.”
How did that go?
I'm no help on this front, just found a case of the BBR instead.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:25 Mon 17 Feb 2025
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:jdaw1 wrote: ↑23:16 Sun 16 Feb 2025Just to confirm, JDAW is bringing Dow, Portal, Portal+, Cockburn, Niepoort Secundum, Roriz, and Sandeman Vau.
Some explanation is obviously needed. When it was said that “JDAW is bringing … Sandeman Vau”, you were all — of course automatically and swiftly and unpromptedly — meant to scurry off to your cellars, followed by more than none of you reporting “Ooh, I have Sandeman and will bring it.”
How did that go?
I can help - rather than adopt, I can now bring a Dow, which would help lighten the JDAW load.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:31 Mon 17 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
PhilW wrote: ↑22:25 Mon 17 Feb 2025I can help - rather than adopt, I can now bring a Dow, which would help lighten the JDAW load.
Thank you. Done — in
the placemats.
Note to self: JDAW is bringing Portal, Portal+, Cockburn, Niepoort Secundum, Roriz, and Sandeman Vau.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 15:46 Tue 18 Feb 2025
by Alex Bridgeman
jdaw1 wrote: ↑22:31 Mon 17 Feb 2025
PhilW wrote: ↑22:25 Mon 17 Feb 2025I can help - rather than adopt, I can now bring a Dow, which would help lighten the JDAW load.
Thank you. Done — in
the placemats.
Note to self: JDAW is bringing Portal, Portal+, Cockburn, Niepoort Secundum, Roriz, and Sandeman Vau.
Is the Sandeman Vau in double-magnum format?
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 21:11 Tue 18 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑15:46 Tue 18 Feb 2025Is the Sandeman Vau in double-magnum format?
Looks at feet. Self-consciously embarrassed, discomposed, indeed discountenanced. Sorry.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:40 Tue 18 Feb 2025
by winesecretary
Are you sorry because it is or because it isn’t?
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 20:32 Wed 19 Feb 2025
by akzy
Unfortunately I will no longer be able to attend this. I'll hopefully catch you all soon at another one.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:41 Thu 20 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote: ↑22:31 Mon 17 Feb 2025Note to self: JDAW is bringing Portal, Portal+, Cockburn, Niepoort Secundum, Roriz, and Sandeman Vau.
Bottles have been found and stood. Pictures follow.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:41 Thu 20 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:41 Thu 20 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:41 Thu 20 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
Cockurn 2003 = Ck03.

Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:41 Thu 20 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:41 Thu 20 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:41 Thu 20 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:43 Thu 20 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
Michael C. and I have agreed that, a few days in advance of the tasting, these six will be delivered to the
B&F, and he and the B&F will arrange decanting.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 00:11 Fri 21 Feb 2025
by M.Charlton
jdaw1 wrote: ↑22:43 Thu 20 Feb 2025
Michael C. and I have agreed that, a few days in advance of the tasting, these six will be delivered to the
B&F, and he and the B&F will arrange decanting.
Marvellous - thanks. Will do.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 23:36 Fri 21 Feb 2025
by M.Charlton
Team: please could you post here the number of hours you would expect a 2003 Port to be sat in its decanter prior to the tasting.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 00:06 Sat 22 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
M.Charlton wrote: ↑23:36 Fri 21 Feb 2025Team: please could you post here the number of hours you would expect a 2003 Port to be sat in its decanter prior to the tasting.
My guess is that it will hold peak decantation from ≈3 hours to ≈2 days. Obvs., the latter is subject to being stored in a locked room guarded on the outside by dragons and a phalanx of teetotallers.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 00:17 Sat 22 Feb 2025
by Alex Bridgeman
Oh God no! Not the feared and all-enveloping tee-totallers! No-one can get past them!
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 09:28 Sat 22 Feb 2025
by PhilW
Ah, but they can all be distracted by a nice fillet steak (rare for the dragon, please). Now the tee-total vegan eunuchs, that's another story; your port, your meat aging cabinets, and your progeny are all safe with them - though Boris can't fight for toffee.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 09:29 Sat 22 Feb 2025
by PhilW
M.Charlton wrote: ↑23:36 Fri 21 Feb 2025
Team: please could you post here the number of hours you would expect a 2003 Port to be sat in its decanter prior to the tasting.
Anything 4hr+ should be fine, I would think.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 16:50 Sat 22 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
Peeps, you know the drill: we all need to answer the usual question from the
usual script.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 16:50 Sat 22 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
• Soup of the day
• Burger (as rare as allowed) and chips;
• Welsh Rarebit (extra cheesey) and Bramdean pudding.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 17:57 Sat 22 Feb 2025
by winesecretary
Avocado
Pie
Salad
Cheese
Thank you
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 18:35 Sat 22 Feb 2025
by mcoulson
May I have .....
Pate
Sirloin with skinny fries and peppercorn sauce
Bakewell crumble with custard
Thankyou
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 20:51 Sat 22 Feb 2025
by PhilW
Soup; Pie; Bakewell (custard). Thank you.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 21:25 Sat 22 Feb 2025
by flash_uk
Duck liver pâté
Chargrilled Surrey Hills rib-eye steak
Fried egg
Skinny fries
carrots
Welsh rarebit
Many thanks
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 11:47 Mon 24 Feb 2025
by CPR 1
Duck liver pâté
Chargrilled Surrey Hills rib-eye steak + Peppercorn - Medium Rare
Skinny fries
Welsh rarebit
Thank you
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 12:20 Mon 24 Feb 2025
by winesecretary
I couldn't find the TTD 03 in the cellar this weekend, I am afraid. It was a pressured weekend for all sorts of reasons and I just ran out of time.
I do have the Ni 03
@idj - might you be able to supply the TTD?
Apologies
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 13:37 Mon 24 Feb 2025
by idj123
winesecretary wrote: ↑12:20 Mon 24 Feb 2025
I couldn't find the TTD 03 in the cellar this weekend, I am afraid. It was a pressured weekend for all sorts of reasons and I just ran out of time.
I do have the Ni 03
@idj - might you be able to supply the TTD?
Apologies
I can indeed, I came across a number of them whilst successfully hunting out the Kr.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 18:33 Mon 24 Feb 2025
by Glenn E.
M.Charlton wrote: ↑23:36 Fri 21 Feb 2025
Team: please could you post here the number of hours you would expect a 2003 Port to be sat in its decanter prior to the tasting.
I tend to decant longer than you do in London, so take this for what it's worth. Very generally, I would decant 2003s for 6-8 hours trending toward the high side of that range. But of course that would need to vary by producer, with only the biggest wines getting 8 hours and the softer/more elegant wines getting 6 or possibly as low as 4.
Ferreira? 4 hours.
Fonseca? 8 hours. Maybe 10.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 10:43 Tue 25 Feb 2025
by Christopher
Personally I would decant in the morning for an evening tasting
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 20:21 Tue 25 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
Current draft of
the food order. Six have; eight haven’t. Hear the (gentle) reprimand.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 20:45 Tue 25 Feb 2025
by akzy
akzy wrote: ↑20:32 Wed 19 Feb 2025
Unfortunately I will no longer be able to attend this. I'll hopefully catch you all soon at another one.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 20:53 Tue 25 Feb 2025
by Christopher
Smoked salmon
Rib eye medium rare, fries and spinach
Crumble with custard
Many thanks
Happy for this to be standard order if helps admin
Many Thanks
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:18 Tue 25 Feb 2025
by CPR 1
jdaw1 wrote: ↑20:21 Tue 25 Feb 2025
Current draft of
the food order. Six have; eight haven’t. Hear the (gentle) reprimand.
Please Sir I am missing Skinny Fries
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 22:59 Tue 25 Feb 2025
by jdaw1
CPR 1 wrote: ↑22:18 Tue 25 Feb 2025Please Sir I am missing Skinny Fries
Believed fixed.
Christopher wrote: ↑20:53 Tue 25 Feb 2025Smoked salmon
Rib eye medium rare, fries and spinach
Crumble with custard
Believed added.
akzy wrote: ↑20:45 Tue 25 Feb 2025akzy wrote: ↑20:32 Wed 19 Feb 2025Unfortunately I will no longer be able to attend this. I'll hopefully catch you all soon at another one.
Organiser: without ZDR, are we one too few? If it would help, I have a candidate guest.
Re: 2003 Horizontal - Tue 18 March 2025
Posted: 23:09 Tue 25 Feb 2025
by flash_uk
I approached the admin of retrieving the W03 from storage. And discovered that I also have GC03.
Instructions please.