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Old & Odd Tasting, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 04:56 Tue 21 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
We have a plan.
19:30 Friday 7th November 2008,
Nick + Stef’s, 9 Penn Plaza at Madison Square Garden, 33rd Street and Eighth Avenue, NY 10121-0111.
By bottle:
- 1873 Schofield (FF);
- 1896 ‘Refreshed’ Garcia (AHB);
- 1932 Butler Nephew (ED);
- 1938 Hooper (JDAW, adopted by GEE);
- 1942 Hooper (JDAW, adopted by MW);
- 1944 Hooper (JHG);
- 1947 Barros (JDAW);
- 1952 Barros (JDAW);
- Vintage Character, Quinta do Infantado, bottled October 1996 (JDAW).
By person:
- FF (1873 Schofield);
- AHB (1896 ‘Refreshed’ Garcia);
- ED (1932 Butler Nephew);
- GEE (1938 Hooper);
- MW (1942 Hooper);
- JHG (1944 Hooper);
- JDAW (1947 Barros; also 1952 Barros; also Vintage Character, Quinta do Infantado, bottled October 1996).
Looks good. Indeed, looks so good that I have asked my cellar keepers to bring my four bottles in to Manhattan. (And if needed I have another
O&
O to hand.)
(Request to g-man: when copying lists, please use the ‘Quote’ button to copy the BB code, rather than copying the plained output text.)
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 18:30 Tue 21 Oct 2008
by Glenn E.
I do not have a +1 - my wife is not a Port drinker and will not be attending the Port tasting.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 19:07 Tue 21 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
OK: the ‟¿
GEE’s + 1?” has been deleted in the post starting this page.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 20:09 Tue 21 Oct 2008
by differentdave
While I wish I could attend my employer has other plans for me that weekend. Sorry guys and I am so jealous UGH

Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 20:12 Tue 21 Oct 2008
by differentdave
While I wish I could attend my employer has other plans for me that weekend. Sorry guys and I am so jealous UGH

Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 20:47 Tue 21 Oct 2008
by TBird
omg, my apologies as well

. i just told my wife i would be out that night and she reminded me

of previous plans

.
color me jealous at this point too.
my apologies.
differentdave wrote:While I wish I could attend my employer has other plans for me that weekend. Sorry guys and I am so jealous UGH

Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 21:10 Tue 21 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
Your previous plans are less important. And you agreed to this eight years ago or so you could tell them.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 21:30 Tue 21 Oct 2008
by TBird
i like the way you think.
i'll work on it, but if someone steps in to fill my shoes, please allow them to do so without checking on me first.
jdaw1 wrote:Your previous plans are less important. And you agreed to this eight years ago or so you could tell them.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 21:51 Tue 21 Oct 2008
by Glenn E.
Bring your wife to the tasting, telling her that you just want to stop by to say 'hi' and then you can go on to your other activities.
We'll supply her with enough Port that she won't be able to contradict you the next morning when you tell her that you did, in fact, go on to your other activity! And we'll provide you with 7 witnesses who will all swear that you did, in fact, leave the tasting earlier than the rest of us though none of us can recall at precisely what time you left.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 22:47 Tue 21 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
Or become terribly ill. So ill that you are unable to go to the other function with the wife and instead will just stay at home and watch television. Then, perhaps three minutes after she leaves, start to feel better and decide go out ‟just for one, for medical purposes only, with some friends”.
To make it plausible the following day you can feign a headache and extreme tiredness.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 00:07 Wed 22 Oct 2008
by g-man
jdaw1 wrote:Or become terribly ill. So ill that you are unable to go to the other function with the wife and instead will just stay at home and watch television. Then, perhaps three minutes after she leaves, start to feel better and decide go out ‟just for one, for medical purposes only, with some friends”.
To make it plausible the following day you can feign a headache and extreme tiredness.
yea you just gotta remember to brush the teeth before you hit the sack =)
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 16:24 Wed 22 Oct 2008
by EricD
I can make it so I'm still on for O&O.
Re: Old & Odd Tasting, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 19:21 Wed 22 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
Somebody has to ask about decanting times.
- 1873 Schofield (FF);
- 1896 ‘Refreshed’ Garcia (AHB);
- 1932 Butler Nephew (ED);
- 1938 Hooper (JDAW, adopted by GEE);
- 1942 Hooper (JDAW, adopted by MW);
- 1944 Hooper (JHG);
- 1947 Barros (JDAW);
- 1952 Barros (JDAW);
- Vintage Character, Quinta do Infantado, bottled October 1996 (JDAW).
My strongly-held view is that I have no idea. Perhaps four hours for all of them?
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 20:12 Wed 22 Oct 2008
by g-man
looking at the pale color of my bottle,
I'm scared and would rather pop and pour.
Tho, i don't know how that's going to work with decanting out sediments if the only time I get is before I head to work.
I was going to bring a funnel and coffee filters to the restaurant.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 20:22 Wed 22 Oct 2008
by Glenn E.
In my brief experience so far, I have found that pop & pour tends to work pretty well for my palate, especially as the Port gets older. It is particularly true for tawnies, and though none of these qualify some of them may be old enough that it holds true anyway.
I'm sure I'll be happy with whatever the more experienced among us determine is correct enough for our purposes.

Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 22:25 Wed 22 Oct 2008
by jfacciol
I'll be there although 7:30 pm is getting mighty close to my bedtime.
On decanting, I'll decant right before jumping on the subway, i.e., about an hour before we start tasting.
What are we doing about glasses? Is the restaurant providing enough or should we bring some?
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 23:29 Wed 22 Oct 2008
by g-man
jfacciol wrote:I'll be there although 7:30 pm is getting mighty close to my bedtime.
On decanting, I'll decant right before jumping on the subway, i.e., about an hour before we start tasting.
What are we doing about glasses? Is the restaurant providing enough or should we bring some?
Okay, I'll bump the reservation up to 7pm when I get closer to final numbers. Looks to be 8? (2 spots available still)
The restaurant has big bordeaux glasses, so I know Julian would definitely prefer port style glasses. They said they're happy to accommodate.
Re: Old & Odd Tasting, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 02:03 Thu 23 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote:1896 ‘Refreshed’ Garcia (
AHB);
Alex has sent a picture:

‟Elviro Garcia”? ‟Rare lodge port”? With ‟1896” that can fairly be said to be ‟
Old &
Odd”.
Re: Old & Odd Tasting, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 02:44 Thu 23 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
G-man’s picture:

Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 17:36 Sat 25 Oct 2008
by JohninNYC
Greetings:
I will be teaching downtown that evening until about 9:30 PM but if you are likely to still be at the restaurant up through 10PM, I would love to pop in with a dessert Port and to say hello and have a taste together. (I will look at the list so I don't duplicate anyone's). (Luckily I am on the #2 and 3 line so it won't take long to get to the restaurant)
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 20:43 Sat 25 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
We’ll be there.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 02:43 Mon 27 Oct 2008
by jfacciol
Julian, do you want to bring a box of glasses and I'll bring a box?
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 16:05 Mon 27 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
I’ll bring my box of glasses.
Jay: I used to have two types of INAO/ISO3591 glass. Some with the rolled edge, and some with a thinner edge. They became muddled one tasting, and then my muddled set became muddled with your two boxes of rolled-edges. If you have the time and enthusiasm, please could I recover my (slightly-better) thinner-edge glasses put all of them in the box you’re bringing, and I’ll keep those and part with rollers. Thank you.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 02:05 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
Another bottle I forgot: idiot! But don’t get too excited.
The front label wrote:Porto
Vintage Character
Meio Seco
!
Quinta do Infantado
The back label wrote:This high quality Porto was made from Organically grown grapes, respecting both ecological cycles and the environment. After a completely natural maturation in casks, 7.000 bottles were Estate Bottled on October 1996, without filtering nor fining.
!
Bottle No. 6655
This bottle added to the lists in posts above.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 02:09 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by jfacciol
I used to have two types of INAO/ISO3591 glass. Some with the rolled edge, and some with a thinner edge. They became muddled one tasting, and then my muddled set became muddled with your two boxes of rolled-edges. If you have the time and enthusiasm, please could I recover my (slightly-better) thinner-edge glasses put all of them in the box you’re bringing, and I’ll keep those and part with rollers.
Ah, homework. I will certainly try to separate the glasses if I can detect the difference.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 02:53 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by Andy Velebil
As for decanting times. I would guess that pop-and-pour for the two 1800's Ports. That way you can evaluate them over a couple of hours and se where they go. Better to air on the side of caution in case they don't hold up all that well once opened.
As for the others, I'd say between 2-4 hours. Better to go a little shorter and slowly taste them over several hours and see how they open up then decant for too long and not catch them at their prime.
Re: Old & Odd Tasting, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 03:05 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
New page, so a reminder of the state of play won’t hurt.
19:00 Friday 7th November 2008,
Nick + Stef’s, 9 Penn Plaza at Madison Square Garden, 33rd Street and Eighth Avenue, NY 10121-0111.
By bottle:
- 1873 Schofield (FF);
- 1896 ‘Refreshed’ Garcia (AHB);
- 1932 Butler Nephew (ED);
- 1938 Hooper (JDAW, adopted by GEE);
- 1942 Hooper (JDAW);
- 1944 Hooper (JHG);
- 1947 Barros (JDAW);
- 1952 Barros (JDAW);
- Vintage Character, Quinta do Infantado, bottled October 1996 (JDAW).
By person:
- FF (1873 Schofield);
- AHB (1896 ‘Refreshed’ Garcia);
- ED (1932 Butler Nephew);
- GEE (1938 Hooper);
- JHG (1944 Hooper);
- JDAW (1942 Hooper; 1947 Barros; also 1952 Barros; also Vintage Character, Quinta do Infantado, bottled October 1996);
- DCP, guest of JDAW;
- BS, guest of JDAW.
(And if needed I have another
O&
O to hand.) Dress code:

cufflinks, of course.
Changes: Quinta do Infantado Vintage Character added; start time now 7pm;
MW deleted from attendees; DCP + BS added to list of attendees.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 03:06 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
Andy V wrote:Better to air on the side of caution
Commendation for the pun assuming that you meant to substitute ‟air” for ‟err”.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 04:31 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by Andy Velebil
jdaw1 wrote:Andy V wrote:Better to air on the side of caution
Commendation for the pun assuming that you meant to substitute ‟air” for ‟err”.
Look, in the past 4 days I've work in the neighborhood of 65+ hours...no Port...I'm tired, cranky, and don't give a rats arse about spelling correctly at the moment...then again, maybe because I just finished a 1/2 bottle of VP after only intending to have one or two glasses ma have something to do with that

Re: Old & Odd Tasting, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 08:03 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:Somebody has to ask about decanting times.
- 1873 Schofield (FF);
- 1896 ‘Refreshed’ Garcia (AHB);
- 1932 Butler Nephew (ED);
- 1938 Hooper (JDAW, adopted by GEE);
- 1942 Hooper (JDAW, adopted by MW);
- 1944 Hooper (JHG);
- 1947 Barros (JDAW);
- 1952 Barros (JDAW);
- Vintage Character, Quinta do Infantado, bottled October 1996 (JDAW).
My strongly-held view is that I have no idea. Perhaps four hours for all of them?
I haven't had any of these. Given the age and the fact that these are from lower league producers (for VP) I would be tempted to pop-pour-taste one at a time over an hour or two and then watch them evolve throughout the evening.
Derek
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 08:50 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by uncle tom
Somebody has to ask about decanting times.
That's such an unusual lineup of vintages, its hard to advise!
However, I'm beginning to suspect that after decanting, warm conditions are the death of mature ports, and that they may evolve better if they are kept fairly cold..
- am experimenting..!
Tom
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 12:55 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
But at the Cockburn tasting Miguel insisted on a longer decant for the oldies, and was right. I don’t know either.
What about a 12-year-old vintage character? Surely somebody can say something helpful about that?
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 14:09 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:But at the Cockburn tasting Miguel insisted on a longer decant for the oldies, and was right. I don’t know either.
But I think Miguel was advising on those specific Cockburn vintages, not old and fragile wines in general. Don't throw away your former approach to such things based on one experience! You have 7 people and 9 bottles so there is plenty to allow you to decant and taste a glass and leave another glass in the decanter for Round 2 a few hours later. This could be turned into a useful experiment if you decant all of them and then serve as 2 flights which are 3-4 hours apart.
jdaw1 wrote:What about a 12-year-old vintage character? Surely somebody can say something helpful about that?
I would give it at least 4 hours but would not expect too much from it. I have some old Vinatge Character that I use to rinse decanters
Derek
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 17:53 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by g-man
Reservations are confirmed
Friday 7th November 2008, Nick + Stef’s,
9 Penn Plaza at Madison Square Garden, 33rd Street and Eighth Avenue,
NY 10121-0111.
7:00 pm EST
for 8 people.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 18:48 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by uncle tom
I have some old Vinatge Character that I use to rinse decanters
An appropriate deployment!
Tom
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 22:10 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by Alex Bridgeman
Given the generous offer from our hostess to halve the corkage fee or waive it if we order something of the same value (=9 x $12.50 = $112.50) from the wine list, can we post here and discuss any port options there may be available? I would much rather pay $112.50 and get something than pay simply to open our own bottles.
Alex
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 22:58 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
Start time amended to 19:00 in
most recent summary post, and
MW deleted from attendees.
Wine list seemingly devoid of port. Unless several bottles of our port prove undrinkable, we already have enough to stave off the most urgent symptoms of thirst. (Nine bottles, six people, time limited.) Anybody for an extra Laurent-Perrier Cuvee Rose?
I’ll try for an extra person.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 23:04 Wed 29 Oct 2008
by DRT
uncle tom wrote:I have some old Vinatge Character that I use to rinse decanters
An appropriate deployment!
Tom
You should know - they used to belong to you

Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 01:28 Thu 30 Oct 2008
by g-man
jdaw1 wrote:Start time amended to 19:00 in
most recent summary post, and
MW deleted from attendees.
Wine list seemingly devoid of port. Unless several bottles of our port prove undrinkable, we already have enough to stave off the most urgent symptoms of thirst. (Nine bottles, six people, time limited.) Anybody for an extra Laurent-Perrier Cuvee Rose?
I’ll try for an extra person.
Here's the port list
Some poo always pairs well, esp with a seafood platter.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 02:16 Thu 30 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
Ahhh, well found though there is a
better link. A half bottle and a glass of Dow 1980 would do the job perfectly.
The new decanting plan:
- 4 hours: Infantado Vintage Character;
- Pop-and-pour: all others.
I have gathered 0 or 1 or 2 extra people.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 03:40 Thu 30 Oct 2008
by jfacciol
Pop and pour? How are we supposed to do this at a restaurant? Are we going to whip out coffee filters, cheesecloth and funnels? Somehow, I don't see it. And I certainly would not trust the waiter or sommelier to do a proper job in decanting. My expectation would that we would be either drinking a lot of sediment or missing a lot of port.
On a separate note, Julian's idea would work fine but I am more tempted by the 20 year old tawnies.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 13:18 Thu 30 Oct 2008
by g-man
I agree with Jay, pop and pour should be clarified.
I meant along the lines of, right before people swing out to the restaurant, to decant and pour back into bottles.
As with my bottle, I've already stood it up so the sediment is probably at the bottom, but I'll keep it at a cooler temperature and probably decant to filter sediment before i head out to owrk.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 13:33 Thu 30 Oct 2008
by mosesbotbol
So much for the port tongs

Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 13:34 Thu 30 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
jfacciol wrote:Are we going to whip out coffee filters, cheesecloth and funnels?
That’s what I meant. I can bring two funnels and a box of coffee filters. We need only to borrow one or two decanters and a faucet.
jfacciol wrote:more tempted by the 20 year old tawnies.
Works for me.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 15:13 Thu 30 Oct 2008
by g-man
jdaw1 wrote:jfacciol wrote:Are we going to whip out coffee filters, cheesecloth and funnels?
That’s what I meant. I can bring two funnels and a box of coffee filters. We need only to borrow one or two decanters and a faucet.
Julian, the restaurant is laid out in such a way that I think it might be very disruptive if you were to swipe their faucet.
I would recommend that those of us who can filter and decant at home should try and do so.
We could probably get 1 or 2 decanters tho for us to use ourselves.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 17:22 Thu 30 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
OK, last-minute home double decanting, except the two eighteen-hundreds which should be done there.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 23:19 Thu 30 Oct 2008
by Glenn E.
jfacciol wrote:On a separate note, Julian's idea would work fine but I am more tempted by the 20 year old tawnies.
I vote for a bottle of the Taylor 20-yr old at $120. Granted that's an outrageous price for the bottle, but we're already opening possibly 9 bottles of VP so having some tawny would be nice.
I'm not a wine drinker, so I have no vote if you choose to purchase a bottle of wine.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 01:59 Fri 31 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
20Y tawny fine with me.
I think we have two extra guests both highly probably, neither yet confirmed.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 02:20 Fri 31 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
Drew C. Phillips confirmed. Port novice; sound fellow.
Re: Old & Odd, New York, Friday 7th November 2008
Posted: 13:34 Fri 31 Oct 2008
by jdaw1
Also confirmed is
Ben Schonzeit.