Summarise a vintage, concisely

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jdaw1 wrote:
Glenn E. wrote:it has some very good ports that are showing signs of getting even better.
Our dispute is not the minutiae of the wording; our dispute is about the liquids. Other opinions would be welcomed. (Reminder: 1983 Horizontal at The Bung Hole on Wednesday 27th November 2013.)
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=67071#p67071]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:The 1983 vintage has fallen apart. Too many were undrinkable; the best were pleasant drinkable port of no great merit. How sad.
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=67094#p67094]Here[/url] AHB wrote:I have a different view of 1983 from JDAW, although we did have some unrepresentative bottles.

My general summary of the 1983 port vintage is that is produced some wines which are pleasant drinking today and will continue to be for another 10-20 years. It is a vintage in which the Symington wines performed better than most of the other big names, but there are also some very enjoyable less-often-seen names (Feuerheerd, for example). I believe this might last longer than the 1985s as there is more structure and less fat fruit, but given a choice today I would probably choose to drink 1985.

It was also a delight to drink only my second Cockburn 1983 that did not suffer from any TCA taint.
1983: Average, with a few pleasant ports.

Examples/justification: F83 and D83 in particular, while not spectacular, I have enjoyed (probably) every bottle of. Many others have been poorer than the good years.
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Graham 83 is a serious candidate for port of the 80s, in my view. Ramos Pinto, Niepoort and Warre 83 have all been drinking very nicely over past couple of years. Gould Campbell shows good promise. I had my doubts about this vintage for some time, but now I think it no better or worse than 80 or 85. Though all are admittedly very variable.

94 is a very curious one. Nothing I've drunk in the past 12-24 months has made me want to buy more, but weren'the people writing off 1960 as dead a few years ago? I've taken a reasonable gamble on Vesuvio and Graham 94, but otherwise have quite low stock (Taylor was already far too expensive for me at the time I started buying).
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1988 - It being my birth year seems to be the sole redeeming factor.

1995 - Plenty of excellent, mid weight and mid-structure SQVPs at very reasonable prices. Perhaps even more succinctly: Great QPR year.

1987 - Hard not to enjoy, even harder to find.

1994 - Very mixed bag, not as uniform as advertised.


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RAYC wrote:Graham 83 is a serious candidate for port of the 80s, in my view. Ramos Pinto, Niepoort and Warre 83 have all been drinking very nicely over past couple of years. Gould Campbell shows good promise. I had my doubts about this vintage for some time, but now I think it no better or worse than 80 or 85. Though all are admittedly very variable.
Not the Graham 83 thing again. I suppose there is a very remote chance that the Graham 83 might get better, not something I would predict, but each to their own. But I do not think that if you did a side by side with the 85 and 83 right now that there would be much doubt of the outcome. As to the point about the three eighties vintages I think you are probably near the mark, the difference being marginal, particular and personal. But I would still rate the 83 behind the 80 and 85, I realise the 80 would not garner much popular support.

But the points you make about the 94 I entirely concur with, even to the comparison with the 1960.
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CaliforniaBrad wrote:1988 - It being my birth year seems to be the sole redeeming factor.
1988; very enjoyable SQVP now alas, a long way down the slippery slope. (Edit: Totally different from the people of this year, so youthful and wise :wink: )
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The US version of the 1983 horizontal had notably better results. Yes, there are some poor ports. But at ours there were a good number of very good or excellent ports as well.
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1973: Don't drink the purple water.
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1980: Not ready. Ever.
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1983: Is this the right room for an argument?
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1963: Anyone who is unhappy that their stocks are overrated or fading too quickly can give them to me.
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DRT wrote:1963: Anyone who is unhappy that their stocks are overrated or fading too quickly can give them to me.
Hmm I think this falls in the same category of another quote from you related to Croft 45 if I recall correctly:

"This can be served to me for breakfast, lunch and dinner!"

:lol:

Despite some of the 63s got a bit lighter in color recently e.g. the Averys 63 I had two days ago had a proper red color and everything for another 40 years.........

Hope you will be succesful with your plea!

Sorry, but I decided to keep my few cases of 63s I have left in my house :wink: :pig:
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LGTrotter wrote:
AHB wrote:1963 Fine wines; great are still great, lesser now fading or faded
Mostly fading now, even the best have begun the slide. Over rated and over priced.
WS1 wrote:
DRT wrote:1963: Anyone who is unhappy that their stocks are overrated or fading too quickly can give them to me.
Hmm I think this falls in the same category of another quote from you related to Croft 45 if I recall correctly:

"This can be served to me for breakfast, lunch and dinner!"

:lol:

Despite some of the 63s got a bit lighter in color recently e.g. the Averys 63 I had two days ago had a proper red color and everything for another 40 years.........

Hope you will be succesful with your plea!

Sorry, but I decided to keep my few cases of 63s I have left in my house :wink: :pig:
I was not offering my few bottles of 63 'free to good home' as it were. I was noting that over the last five-ish years the descent of the 63 has become more precipitous. It may of course do a 1960 and pull itself together. But current prices and reputation seem excessive. Maybe I have just been unlucky with those I have tried; they have been rather too charming.
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LGTrotter wrote:over the last five-ish years the descent of the 63 has become more precipitous. It may of course do a 1960 and pull itself together. But current prices and reputation seem excessive. Maybe I have just been unlucky with those I have tried; they have been rather too charming.
+1.

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1815 - most are over the hill
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.

2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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AHB wrote:1815 - most are over the hill
Interesting. What's your opinion on the 1816? Or, more crucially, the 1823?
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djewesbury wrote:
AHB wrote:1815 - most are over the hill
Interesting. What's your opinion on the 1816? Or, more crucially, the 1823?
1816 - no-one declared, and for good reason
1823 - why buy this when you can buy 1827 for the same price?
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.

2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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You are both going to get in trouble when Sir comes back from lunch.
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Sir is at lunch? Which vintage is he summarising concisely?
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1968 - great colheitas, iffy vintage ports

What years are we still missing? Can someone with some time to spare concisely summarise the concise vintage summaries?
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2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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I don't think we have the following yet:

2001: a handy SQVP year
2004: another handy SQVP year
2005: should have been declared?

With fond memories of 1983 Grahams I would say 1983: A solid effort with a pleasant surprise or two.
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griff wrote:I don't think we have the following yet:

2001: a handy SQVP year
2004: another handy SQVP year
2005: should have been declared?

With fond memories of 1983 Grahams I would say 1983: A solid effort with a pleasant surprise or two.
I thought perhaps
2001 : A Port Oddity
and agree that 2005 will be the unexpected diamond.
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Oh no. Griff mentioned G83. Someone dust Owen off and give him a reviving slurp of G85 so he can begin his diatribe.
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I think Phil's 2001 suggestion loses in clarity what it gains in brevity. Sometimes you have to kill your babies.
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djewesbury wrote:Oh no. Griff mentioned G83. Someone dust Owen off and give him a reviving slurp of G85 so he can begin his diatribe.
Blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah.

The only one I can see missing is 1998. I can only remember trying one, so here goes:

1998 the Fonseca Panascal seems OK.

And since when did 1970 reach the unassailed heights of "greatest port of the 20th century" without a quibble?
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Thank you. Not the assault I was expecting. What a master tactician.
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