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6x 91 Vesuvio
6x 82 Taylor LBV
2x 77 quinta Cachao
1x 80 fonseca

2 x Noval 1997

RAYC wrote:2 x Noval 1997

was that the ackers one?

1 x 1954 Ferreira
1 x 1955 Graham
1 x 1955 Taylor
1 x 1963 Warre
1 x 1970 Croft
1 x 1970 Sandeman
1 x 1975 Warre
1 x 1982 Warre Quinta de Cavadinha
1 x 1985 Quarles Harris
1 x 1995 Ferreira


g-man, PM sent.

g-man wrote:

RAYC wrote:2 x Noval 1997

was that the ackers one?

A couple came up at BBR so I jumped on them.

What looks to be a Cockburn 1947!

12 x 1994 Cockburn
12 x 1994 Gould Campbell
3 x 1994 Taylors

Just about a full house on the 94's now

Contemplating 6 x QdN 2003 @ £45. Any opinions?

Alex M wrote:Contemplating 6 x QdN 2003 @ £45. Any opinions?

That's a great wine and a fair price - by being patient and lucky, you might find it for less, but it will be a challenge. If you know the provenance is good - I would go for them.

Contemplating 6 x QdN 2003 @ £45. Any opinions?

Have a little punt at Christies sale on the 8th Sept. before you buy - lot 26 - but don't forget that buyer's premium & VAT will add 40% to the hammer price (and that there's a case of Warre '03 bundled in the same lot...)

Tom

PS - If you don't want the Warre, I'll make a fair offer..!

Alex M wrote:Contemplating 6 x QdN 2003 @ £45. Any opinions?

This might possibly be the first time in Port history that someone in the UK has had to pay more than someone in the US for the same Port. My 2003 Noval, purchased in small batches, averages $37.47/bottle.

Nevertheless, it is a fantastic Port and well worth £45. I got lucky with my purchases because Noval changed importers (or distributors, I forget which) and the former company dumped a significant amount of back stock on the market for cheap.

I purchased the QdN 2003 in the end, I managed to justify it to myself that near perfect provenance is worth the premium. Currently looking at 6xVesuvio 1997 at just under £26 per bottle. My aim is to acquire 600 bottles by my 30th birthday. I'm currently on 154 with 7 years to go giving an average of 5.3 per month.

Alex M wrote:I purchased the QdN 2003 in the end, I managed to justify it to myself that near perfect provenance is worth the premium. Currently looking at 6xVesuvio 1997 at just under £26 per bottle. My aim is to acquire 600 bottles my my 30th birthday. I'm currently on 154 with 7 years to go giving an average of 5.3 per month.

Alex - where from? Might be interested in a few myself.

4 x 77 Dow
22 x 83 Grahams - finally managed to refill my depleting stock

12 Dow's midnight. Oops - 11 left.

Zelandakh wrote:12 Dow's midnight. Oops - 11 left.

Can I cajole you into a tasting note? I’ve been wondering what these are like for a while but haven’t yet tried them.

6 x Cockburn 1960 - I've only ever tried this once, at Uncle Tom's 50th birthday drinks and it was quite cheap

AHB wrote:6 x Cockburn 1960 - I've only ever tried this once, at Uncle Tom's 50th birthday drinks and it was quite cheap

I think you will find that it's not very good and it would be very wise to swap your six bottles for six half bottles of Croft LBV 2004.

As luck would have it, I have six half bottles of Croft LBV 04 in front of me now with a label saying "give these to a poor soul who needs to get rid of six dodgy bottles of Cockburn 1960".

It's an omen!

DRT wrote:

AHB wrote:6 x Cockburn 1960 - I've only ever tried this once, at Uncle Tom's 50th birthday drinks and it was quite cheap

I think you will find that it's not very good and it would be very wise to swap your six bottles for six half bottles of Croft LBV 2004.

As luck would have it, I have six half bottles of Croft LBV 04 in front of me now with a label saying "give these to a poor soul who needs to get rid of six dodgy bottles of Cockburn 1960".

It's an omen!

That's such a shame you were the second person to make this suggestion. If only I had known that you also would have liked to have swapped these bottles for halves of Croft 2004 LBV; I could have saved some for you.

We had a good excuse to buy some port, so decided we needed more port with some age on it. That resulted in:

9x Fonseca 1970
2x Cockburn 1967
1x Cockburn 1970

Almost at the same time there was an auction with many lots of Niepoort 1977. I never win at these things, so decided to put a bid on a couple of lots. Ended up with:

18x Niepoort 1977
2x Calem 1977 (came with a lot of Niepoort 77).

Quite pleased now.

RonnieRoots wrote:We had a good excuse to buy some port, so decided we needed more port with some age on it. That resulted in:

9x Fonseca 1970
2x Cockburn 1967
1x Cockburn 1970

Almost at the same time there was an auction with many lots of Niepoort 1977. I never win at these things, so decided to put a bid on a couple of lots. Ended up with:

18x Niepoort 1977
2x Calem 1977 (came with a lot of Niepoort 77).

Quite pleased now.

I think I won two lots at thesame auction as Ronnie has

I missed out (don't know the winning bid yet) on a lot with 4 Dow's VP 1980 and the lot that Ronnie won (6x Niepoort 1977 and 2x Calem 1977) (although my bid on the latter was very low, so I'm quite sure I didn't drive the price up too much for Ronnie).

I've won:
1x 1937 Porto Demi Sec 1 Bottle(s) Porto, Pinto (very curious to see what this actually is!!)
2x 1970 Vintage Borges et Irmao
1x 1970 Vintage Quinta do Noval
2x 1977 Vintage da Silvas
1x 1977 Vintage Quarles Harris
1x 1978 Vintage Niepoort
1x 1980 Vintage Dows
1x 1984 Vintage Warre’s, Quinta da Cavadinha
1x 1991 Vintage Quinta do Noval
1x 1992 Vintage Burmester, Quinta Nova de Nossa Senhora do Carmo
4x 1994 Vintage Dow's

Me happy too!

6xTaylor 1997 @220ib. Certainly not a steal, but BBX is rather too convenient for impulse purchases...
12xGould Campbell 1985 @ low cost - hopefully provenance will be up to scratch as well!

Plus a few odd singles that shall make appearances at future blind offlines and shall therefore remain nameless!

1 x Fonseca 1977
4 x Fonseca 1983
3 x Cockburn 1927

Ordered, but not yet received (or paid for):

3 x 1977 Fonseca
3 x 1977 Gould Campbell
3 x 1977 Graham
3 x 1977 Taylor

5xVargellas 98 1/2s
some Taylor 20y tawny and a graham 20Y Tawny
1xFonseca 1980
1xTaylor Fladgate 1980
1xWarre's 1983
2xVargellas 1995
1xGuimaraens 1995

After running out, and then doing some scavenging on the internet, I was able to locate 4 x 2003 Taylor LBV for $19.99 each.

Still my favorite LBV. I've had better LBVs but I can't find any of them for sale, so they don't count.

12 bottles of Warre 1980. Paid over the odds for them, but that's 1980 now filled in my cellar. Just 1963 and 1983 to go.

Big month for me already...

Split a case of Offley 70 and Sandeman 82 from Wilkinson's list with a fellow TPF member

3 bottles of Croft 66

Time now needed to replenish war chest...

7 Croft Roeda 95 (ordered 12 but only 7 left when they came to ship - boo)
7 Niepoort 99 to lay down for the boy's 21st as that's his birth year

My evening midweek tipple has gone up in price - 50cl Dow's Midnight, gotta find something else palatable...

AHB wrote:1980 now filled in my cellar. Just 1963 and 1983 to go.

Can you 'splain dis to me?

Specifically, what does 'filled' mean?

Aim me at your cellar Chris - I'll show you "full"

Chris Doty wrote:

AHB wrote:1980 now filled in my cellar. Just 1963 and 1983 to go.

Can you 'splain dis to me?

Specifically, what does 'filled' mean?

It means that I have enough bottles from that particular vintage to see me through the next 30 years of anticipated drinking. It sounds a lot, but it isn't. If you think about it, drinking one bottle of 1980 every couple of years or so means that I would only need a case and a half. I've still fewer bottles of 1963 (30 - I drink a lot of them) and 1983 (7) than I would like, but I nearly have a balanced cellar that will only need to be topped up with newly released wines every year from now on. So far this year I've received 6-packs of Taylor 2009 and Vesuvio 2009 and I'm hoping to get some halves of Skeffington 2009 soon.

My computer tells me that as of today I should have 103.0624 bottles of 1980 in my cellar, against an actual number of only 87. However, as I have 263 bottles of 1970 against a computed need of 229.4640, the shortfall is not critical.

This is based on a requirement to yield 72 bottles of vintage port each year, of which 64 must be 30 years old or more, 48 over 40, 24 over 50, 12 over 60, 7 over 70, 4 over 80, 2 over 90 and 1 over 120. At least once in every decade, one of the 120+ bottles must be 200 years old, and another over 160.

Every vintage year is weighted to reflect its relevance, the overall average being 1. 1970 is heavily weighted at 4.4, whereas 1980 ranks in my estimation at just 1.6

Tom

uncle tom wrote:My computer tells me that as of today I should have 103.0624 bottles of 1980 in my cellar, against an actual number of only 87. However, as I have 263 bottles of 1970 against a computed need of 229.4640, the shortfall is not critical.

This is based on a requirement to yield 72 bottles of vintage port each year, of which 64 must be 30 years old or more, 48 over 40, 24 over 50, 12 over 60, 7 over 70, 4 over 80, 2 over 90 and 1 over 120. At least once in every decade, one of the 120+ bottles must be 200 years old, and another over 160.

Every vintage year is weighted to reflect its relevance, the overall average being 1. 1970 is heavily weighted at 4.4, whereas 1980 ranks in my estimation at just 1.6

Tom

Wow - my purchasing style is somewhat more akin that of a drunk wielding a machine gun. Perhaps I could get a blank copy of your cellar programme when you re-tool it!

Wow - my purchasing style is somewhat more akin that of a drunk wielding a machine gun. Perhaps I could get a blank copy of your cellar programme when you re-tool it!

One of my winter projects is to de-personalise my Excel application and make it available for others to play with..

Tom

uncle tom wrote:
One of my winter projects is to de-personalise my Excel application and make it available for others to play with..

That would be great!

I'm still awaiting my warres 09 and taylors 09

Arrived today, my idea of a mixed case:

1xMartinez 85 (finally!)
2xVesuvio 94
4xEira Velha (Martinez) 94
1xCockburn 83
2xFonseca 83
2xNiepoort 97

This filled a lot of little gaps (top rateds, verticals, etc)

SushiNorth wrote:Arrived today, my idea of a mixed case:

1xMartinez 85 (finally!)
2xVesuvio 94
4xEira Velha (Martinez) 94
1xCockburn 83
2xFonseca 83
2xNiepoort 97

This filled a lot of little gaps (top rateds, verticals, etc)

Good mixed case! i really liked the Eira Velha when i had it recently - good luck with the Niepoort and Cockburn...the latter is one i'd really like to have a good bottle of!

RAYC wrote:

SushiNorth wrote:Arrived today, my idea of a mixed case:
1xMartinez 85 (finally!), 2xVesuvio 94, 4xEira Velha (Martinez) 94, 1xCockburn 83, 2xFonseca 83, 2xNiepoort 97
This filled a lot of little gaps (top rateds, verticals, etc)

Good mixed case! i really liked the Eira Velha when i had it recently - good luck with the Niepoort and Cockburn...the latter is one i'd really like to have a good bottle of!

Eira Velha I have high hopes for, and it was cheap
The Cockburn is undoubtedly corked, but as I can't taste "corked" i should be good! Realistically, I wanted to at least see what the fuss was about.
Vesuvio and Niepoort were picked up based on high WS ratings (96+)

SushiNorth wrote:

RAYC wrote:

SushiNorth wrote:Arrived today, my idea of a mixed case:
1xMartinez 85 (finally!), 2xVesuvio 94, 4xEira Velha (Martinez) 94, 1xCockburn 83, 2xFonseca 83, 2xNiepoort 97
This filled a lot of little gaps (top rateds, verticals, etc)

Good mixed case! i really liked the Eira Velha when i had it recently - good luck with the Niepoort and Cockburn...the latter is one i'd really like to have a good bottle of!

Eira Velha I have high hopes for, and it was cheap
The Cockburn is undoubtedly corked, but as I can't taste "corked" i should be good! Realistically, I wanted to at least see what the fuss was about.
Vesuvio and Niepoort were picked up based on high WS ratings (96+)

I had the Cockburn twice, and both were stunningly good bottles. I guess I've been very lucky. The Niepoort I had multiple times, every single time a disaster....

Purchased an old faithful from BBR that has suprisingly let me down a couple of times recently (when purchased from other sources).

Paid a £15ish premium but this will be the acid test as to whether previous disappointments were a matter of provenance or whether the wine is simply entering a bad phase...

I'll bring it out at one of the tastings over the next 3 weeks.

Dow 1997 - hope it is good as was a bit of a blind purchase based on price...

Last weekend at auction (put in bids beforehand) I won:

- 6x Smith Woodhouse VP 1980 (case of 12 split with another portlover);
- 6x Ferreira 1985 VP;
- 9x Kopke 40 YO Tawny (bottled in 1980, very curious how they will turn out);
- 3x Kopke "Full Rich" Madeira.

price on the lot with the Kopke 40 YO and Madeira was very low, so if 2 of 3 of the 9 bottles of Tawny turn out ok, I'm still very happy with that lot.

That's a nice purchase Gerwin.

I'm interested how the 40YO will turn out after 30 years in the bottle.

6 bottles of Dow LBV 2006 from Tesco at <£7 each.

Is that normal price DRT? If so, I'm going to head to one as I'm very low on every day drinkers (although with last week's practice for the offline, I'm stocking up rather than emptying the cabinet at the moment).

smisse wrote:That's a nice purchase Gerwin.

I'm interested how the 40YO will turn out after 30 years in the bottle.

Surprisingly , it was simply excellent! considering it was the worst looking bottle from the bunch (quite some seepage it seemed) it was amazingly tasty. I opened it last Friday (28th Oct), on the day they arrived. At first it was very nice, but had quite a lot of heat (too much) from the alcohol.
On Saturday (29th Oct) this bottle was finished off after a dinnerparty, where I also brought the B&I 1970 VP, and at that time the heat was very much reduced / integrated, and what was left was a fantastic Tawny, with a lot of honey, nuts (walnuts, hazelnuts) in both nose and taste, and a finish of over a minute!

I'll try and put together a tn on this one too.

Zelandakh wrote:Is that normal price DRT? If so, I'm going to head to one as I'm very low on every day drinkers (although with last week's practice for the offline, I'm stocking up rather than emptying the cabinet at the moment).

If it's the same as our local Tesco, it's a half-price offer; has been showing on the shelf-tags on for the last two weeks in our local store, though the shelves have been empty of bottles.

PhilW wrote:If it's the same as our local Tesco, it's a half-price offer; has been showing on the shelf-tags on for the last two weeks in our local store, though the shelves have been empty of bottles.

Perhaps you live a little close to Derek and your Tesco is within his "port bargain shopping zone".

And then there's Tesco's current buy 6 get 25% off deal.