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Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 15:09 Tue 10 Jan 2012
by RonnieRoots
RAYC wrote:
Though, interestingly, not a mistake if Ronnie had instead stumbled across one of the ≤1983 BBR own-label ports, which were indeed labelled "Berry's Own Selection".
For some reason the apostrophe seems to have changed location between 1985 and 1987, since the 1985 labels (and subsequent labels) are "Berrys' Own Selection". (perhaps both Berrys started to select....!)
[apologies Ronnie - this was posted merely as a segue into a bit of trivia i noticed whilst re-arranging my cellar recently!]
I should note that officially I am exempt from this thread since I'm not a native speaker of English.
Quite interesting though. I had simply assumed it would be Berry's. I wonder why they changed it, perhaps because they found Berrys would be a better abbreviation of Berry Bros? (The Bros implying multiple Berrys etc etc?)
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 02:21 Thu 12 Jan 2012
by RAYC
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 07:02 Thu 12 Jan 2012
by jdaw1
➊ ‟Waterstones”? It is natural enough for names of corporate entities to shorten and simplify over time. No objection. Think of it as the simplest phonetic spelling of the traditional name of this shop.
âž‹ Every time email arrives announcing a new post in the Apostrophe crimes thread, I dread that I’ve made an error. My errors get no mercy and deserve none.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 15:52 Thu 12 Jan 2012
by RAYC
jdaw1 wrote:➊ ‟Waterstones”? It is natural enough for names of corporate entities to shorten and simplify over time. No objection. Think of it as the simplest phonetic spelling of the traditional name of this shop.
perhaps, but - as noted in the press - the possessive apostrophe reflects the origins of the brand, and Sainsbury's and McDonald's can quite happily manage to keep it in their trading names without harming their online/digital presence. Still, a bit of free publicity at a good time...
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 17:40 Sun 15 Jan 2012
by jdaw1
A sign outside the Tooting Methodist Church
And if the apostrophe crime isn’t enough, the sign probably meant to refer to the Rights of Way Act 1932. Oh dear.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 16:46 Mon 16 Jan 2012
by Glenn E.
jdaw1 wrote:A sign outside the Tooting Methodist Church
And if the apostrophe crime isn’t enough, the sign probably meant to refer to the Rights of Way Act 1932. Oh dear.
Is the period after Act not also an error? Or is Act an abbreviation that I don't understand?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 22:59 Thu 19 Jan 2012
by jdaw1
Glenn E. wrote:Is the period after Act not also an error?
Probably another error.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:31 Fri 20 Jan 2012
by RAYC
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 11:22 Sat 21 Jan 2012
by JacobH
jdaw1 wrote:Glenn E. wrote:Is the period after Act not also an error?
Probably another error.
I’m not even sure that that sign would have any effect in preventing some sort of easement being established by prescription (which is its presumed intention)...
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 06:23 Sun 05 Feb 2012
by jdaw1
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 01:21 Tue 07 Feb 2012
by RAYC
so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 01:33 Tue 07 Feb 2012
by DRT
RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....
I'm missing the problem.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 01:37 Tue 07 Feb 2012
by RAYC
DRT wrote:RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....
I'm missing the problem.
Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 01:37 Tue 07 Feb 2012
by DRT
In the post above this with pictures of Sandeman bottles, jdaw1 wrote:Is this an apostrophe crime?
No. If written in a different context, yes, but this is a brand. For whatever reason, the owners of Sandeman have decided to give up the English language and drop the possessive. That is their choice, and is perfectly valid.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 01:40 Tue 07 Feb 2012
by DRT
RAYC wrote:DRT wrote:RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....
I'm missing the problem.
Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
I'm in Jail. I don't have a Get Out of Jail Free card and haven't thrown a double. Stumped.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 01:48 Tue 07 Feb 2012
by RAYC
DRT wrote:RAYC wrote:DRT wrote:RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....
I'm missing the problem.
Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
I'm in Jail. I don't have a Get Out of Jail Free card and haven't thrown a double. Stumped.
In which case the judgment of the Judge who sent you there was correct!
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 01:55 Tue 07 Feb 2012
by DRT
RAYC wrote:DRT wrote:RAYC wrote:DRT wrote:RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....
I'm missing the problem.
Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
I'm in Jail. I don't have a Get Out of Jail Free card and haven't thrown a double. Stumped.
In which case the judgment of the Judge who sent you there was correct!
Is it too late to plead diminished responsibility due to Dow Trademark Reserve?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 03:14 Tue 07 Feb 2012
by RAYC
DRT wrote:RAYC wrote:DRT wrote:RAYC wrote:DRT wrote:RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....
I'm missing the problem.
Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
I'm in Jail. I don't have a Get Out of Jail Free card and haven't thrown a double. Stumped.
In which case the judgment of the Judge who sent you there was correct!
Is it too late to plead diminished responsibility due to Dow Trademark Reserve?
On checking, OED actually seems to be rather non-committal on the point, so maybe i will wait to see if anyone considers that i did actually err before saying any more!
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 08:42 Tue 07 Feb 2012
by PhilW
DRT wrote:RAYC wrote:DRT wrote:RAYC wrote:so disappointed with myself that i am self-declaring....
I'm missing the problem.
Go directly to gaol. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200. hint hint
I'm in Jail. I don't have a Get Out of Jail Free card and haven't thrown a double. Stumped.
Can't see anything wrong with your sentence, contraction of "there is" to "there's" seems valid with singular target; I guess I may have to head to jail too; though fortunately not in the US or victorian gaol with Derek
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 10:38 Tue 07 Feb 2012
by RAYC
I had always thought that proper usage dictates the use of "judgment" (with no "e") in a legal context when referring to a legal decision whereas "judgement" (with an "e") should be used in expressions of personal opinion.
The Americans, naturally, did not like this and as far as i am aware tend to use "judgment" in all circumstances. However, I was able to get comfortable that the title of one of my favourite childhood films, "Terminator 2: Judgment Day", was not incorrect on the basis that "judgment" in a religious context also tends to be without the "e".
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 10:44 Thu 09 Feb 2012
by Alex Bridgeman
RAYC wrote:I had always thought that proper usage dictates the use of "judgment" (with no "e") in a legal context when referring to a legal decision whereas "judgement" (with an "e") should be used in expressions of personal opinion.
The Americans, naturally, did not like this and as far as i am aware tend to use "judgment" in all circumstances. However, I was able to get comfortable that the title of one of my favourite childhood films, "Terminator 2: Judgment Day", was not incorrect on the basis that "judgment" in a religious context also tends to be without the "e".
If thats why you self-posted then youre guilty of an e-crime and not one of this threads crimes* Start another thread for e-cimes.
* taking full advantage of a comment JDAW made some years ago that missing or erroneous apostrophe's in this thread we're considered to be attempts at humor and not reportable crime's
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 21:48 Thu 09 Feb 2012
by jdaw1
This thread is also used for reports of crimes of similar import. Carry on.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 11:09 Sun 12 Feb 2012
by jdaw1
[quote="
Here, on 
, J. D. A. Wiseman"]
J. D. A. Wiseman wrote:Derek T. wrote:is slightly anarchic.
Derek might even have meant this.
So I am in the awkward, even embarrassing, situation, of having accused DRT of mis-quoting Fowler, when he hadn’t. Ooops. Sorry. Sackcloth-and-ashes.[/quote]Not an AC, but plenty crime enough.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 11:47 Sun 12 Feb 2012
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:[quote="
Here, on , J. D. A. Wiseman"]
J. D. A. Wiseman wrote:Derek T. wrote:is slightly anarchic.
Derek might even have meant this.
So I am in the awkward, even embarrassing, situation, of having accused DRT of mis-quoting Fowler, when he hadn’t. Ooops. Sorry. Sackcloth-and-ashes.
Not an AC, but plenty crime enough.[/quote]{smugness}
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 20:13 Sun 12 Feb 2012
by JacobH
DRT wrote:In the post above this with pictures of Sandeman bottles, jdaw1 wrote:Is this an apostrophe crime?
No. If written in a different context, yes, but this is a brand. For whatever reason, the owners of Sandeman have decided to give up the English language and drop the possessive. That is their choice, and is perfectly valid.
I would be more likely to accept this were Sandeman to have had more than one founder. Their Partners Port is, perhaps, therefore, less objectionable.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 20:42 Sun 12 Feb 2012
by jdaw1
Trouble, it seems, with the verb-noun distinction?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 21:03 Sun 12 Feb 2012
by DRT
BREAKING NEWS: jdaw1 and JacobH both convicted on the same day!!!
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 22:20 Sun 12 Feb 2012
by JacobH
jdaw1 wrote:Trouble, it seems, with the verb-noun distinction?
mea culpa. My mitigation is that sentence originally read ‟I might advise...” or similar.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:59 Wed 22 Feb 2012
by RAYC
Can't believe this one slipped through the net. There's even a special name for this type of error (that i can't remember just now).
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 16:45 Wed 22 Feb 2012
by Glenn E.
I fail to detect the error, unless it is the lack of a period after Mrs.
Your 800th post, no less.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 17:34 Wed 22 Feb 2012
by RAYC
Glenn E. wrote:I fail to detect the error, unless it is the lack of a period after Mrs.
Your 800th post, no less.
You got me - I must admit, i was in search of an error to see whether i would progress past Malvedos 96!
"the TCP", de-TLA'd, is "the The Crusting Pipe", which doesn't seem to me to read well in this context.
I'm pretty sure there's a term for the use of a superfluous word before an acronym, but can't remember and don't seem to have the google skills to find it.
I'm not exactly sure what the rules are for the use of a period after Mrs - i think (for British English, at least) it is not required since the abbreviation ends with the same letter as the full word (Mistress) (cf Captain - Capt.)
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 22:37 Wed 22 Feb 2012
by Glenn E.
Ah yes, like the infamous ATM machine and PIN number. Completely missed that!
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 11:57 Thu 23 Feb 2012
by RAYC
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:17 Thu 23 Feb 2012
by PhilW
isn't that just a spelling crime?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:37 Thu 23 Feb 2012
by RAYC
PhilW wrote:
isn't that just a spelling crime?
Yes. But i was feeling unforgiving.
jdaw1 wrote:This thread is also used for reports of crimes of similar import. Carry on.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:40 Thu 23 Feb 2012
by RAYC
Glenn E. wrote:Ah yes, like the infamous ATM machine and PIN number. Completely missed that!
RAS Syndrome!
The examples that i seem to come across most frequently at the moment are "RPI Index" and "CPI Index".
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 21:28 Thu 23 Feb 2012
by JacobH
RAYC wrote:The examples that i seem to come across most frequently at the moment are "RPI Index" and "CPI Index".
There’s a foreign-language version of this too (e.g. ‟the Al Aqsa Mosque”, ‟please RSVP”, ‟the hoi polloi”, &c. &c.) which is equally annoying.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 22:11 Thu 23 Feb 2012
by DRT
I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 00:40 Fri 24 Feb 2012
by Glenn E.
RAYC wrote:Glenn E. wrote:Ah yes, like the infamous ATM machine and PIN number. Completely missed that!
RAS Syndrome!
The examples that i seem to come across most frequently at the moment are "RPI Index" and "CPI Index".
Awesome. PNS Syndrome.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 09:35 Fri 24 Feb 2012
by JacobH
DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons
this is the most heinous example.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 12:49 Fri 24 Feb 2012
by Alex Bridgeman
JacobH wrote:DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons
this is the most heinous example.
I'm pleased to be able to look smugly at the contents of my reply to JDAW's reference to "the TCP".
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 23:47 Fri 24 Feb 2012
by DRT
JacobH wrote:DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons
this is the most heinous example.
Presumably you meant "have uttered the phrase"?
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 14:53 Sat 25 Feb 2012
by JacobH
DRT wrote:JacobH wrote:DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons
this is the most heinous example.
Presumably you meant "have uttered the phrase"?
Indicted with jdaw1 are:
WS1,
AHB,
me 
,
PhilW,
RonnieRoots,
ChrisD, and
DRT, which seems like a reasonable cross-section of the
community
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 17:13 Sat 25 Feb 2012
by DRT
JacobH wrote:DRT wrote:JacobH wrote:DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons
this is the most heinous example.
Presumably you meant "have uttered the phrase"?
Indicted with jdaw1 are:
WS1,
AHB,
me ,
PhilW,
RonnieRoots,
ChrisD, and
DRT, which seems like a reasonable cross-section of the
community
Worst of all, there is no "The" in "
Crusting Pipe".
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 18:05 Sat 25 Feb 2012
by PhilW
Even Davy's get confused though - the first paragraph is:
Davy's wrote:Situated in the Heart of The Old Covent Garden Market, The Crusting Pipe is one of our traditional styled Wine Bars
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 18:31 Sat 25 Feb 2012
by DRT
PhilW wrote:
Even Davy's get confused though - the first paragraph is:
Davy's wrote:Situated in the Heart of The Old Covent Garden Market, The Crusting Pipe is one of our traditional styled Wine Bars
I don't think we want to use Davy's website as an acceptable standard.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 20:42 Sun 26 Feb 2012
by JacobH
PhilW wrote:
Even Davy's get confused though - the first paragraph is:
Davy's wrote:Situated in the Heart of The Old Covent Garden Market, The Crusting Pipe is one of our traditional styled Wine Bars
I was going to say that I think they’ve just gone for the traditional method of capitalising the first letter of every noun, but then I’m pretty sure those market buildings are a ‟new Covent Garden market”, not old, having been built to replace the old wooden stalls in the 19th Century. (Of course there is also a ‟
New Covent Garden”, too, which helpfully does not have any capitals in its name at all...)
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 21:29 Sun 26 Feb 2012
by DRT
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 16:05 Mon 27 Feb 2012
by RAYC
Dava?
But, as a side note, i have never seen a Dalva port, as opposed to a DALVA port, leading me to think that the proper name of the brand requires all letters to be capitalised and that our references in the TN database are incorrect.
Re: Apostrophe crimes
Posted: 16:08 Mon 27 Feb 2012
by RAYC
What are the rules surrounding this type of
"clarificatory" apostrophe?
