Trouble, it seems, with the verb-noun distinction?
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BREAKING NEWS: jdaw1 and JacobH both convicted on the same day!!!


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mea culpa. My mitigation is that sentence originally read ‟I might advise...” or similar.jdaw1 wrote:Trouble, it seems, with the verb-noun distinction?
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Can't believe this one slipped through the net. There's even a special name for this type of error (that i can't remember just now).[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5453#p46059]Here[/url], jdaw1 wrote:A very pleasant evening with two bottles, and as ever the TCP’s excellent food and service. Plus the Scribners, for the non-drinking Mrs S was also present, had the pleasure of seeing the rabbit warren that is TCP.
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I fail to detect the error, unless it is the lack of a period after Mrs.
Your 800th post, no less.
Your 800th post, no less.
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You got me - I must admit, i was in search of an error to see whether i would progress past Malvedos 96!Glenn E. wrote:I fail to detect the error, unless it is the lack of a period after Mrs.
Your 800th post, no less.
"the TCP", de-TLA'd, is "the The Crusting Pipe", which doesn't seem to me to read well in this context.
I'm pretty sure there's a term for the use of a superfluous word before an acronym, but can't remember and don't seem to have the google skills to find it.
I'm not exactly sure what the rules are for the use of a period after Mrs - i think (for British English, at least) it is not required since the abbreviation ends with the same letter as the full word (Mistress) (cf Captain - Capt.)
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Ah yes, like the infamous ATM machine and PIN number. Completely missed that!
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5732]Here[/url], DRT wrote:Warre 2009 helps the heros...
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isn't that just a spelling crime?RAYC wrote:[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5732]Here[/url], DRT wrote:Warre 2009 helps the heros...
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Yes. But i was feeling unforgiving.PhilW wrote:isn't that just a spelling crime?RAYC wrote:[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5732]Here[/url], DRT wrote:Warre 2009 helps the heros...
jdaw1 wrote:This thread is also used for reports of crimes of similar import. Carry on.
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RAS Syndrome!Glenn E. wrote:Ah yes, like the infamous ATM machine and PIN number. Completely missed that!
The examples that i seem to come across most frequently at the moment are "RPI Index" and "CPI Index".
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There’s a foreign-language version of this too (e.g. ‟the Al Aqsa Mosque”, ‟please RSVP”, ‟the hoi polloi”, &c. &c.) which is equally annoying.RAYC wrote:The examples that i seem to come across most frequently at the moment are "RPI Index" and "CPI Index".
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I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
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Awesome. PNS Syndrome.RAYC wrote:RAS Syndrome!Glenn E. wrote:Ah yes, like the infamous ATM machine and PIN number. Completely missed that!
The examples that i seem to come across most frequently at the moment are "RPI Index" and "CPI Index".
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It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons this is the most heinous example.DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
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I'm pleased to be able to look smugly at the contents of my reply to JDAW's reference to "the TCP".JacobH wrote:It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons this is the most heinous example.DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".

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2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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Presumably you meant "have uttered the phrase"?JacobH wrote:It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons this is the most heinous example.DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
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Indicted with jdaw1 are: WS1, AHB, meDRT wrote:Presumably you meant "have uttered the phrase"?JacobH wrote:It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons this is the most heinous example.DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".



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Worst of all, there is no "The" in "Crusting Pipe".JacobH wrote:Indicted with jdaw1 are: WS1, AHB, meDRT wrote:Presumably you meant "have uttered the phrase"?JacobH wrote:It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons this is the most heinous example.DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF"., PhilW, RonnieRoots, ChrisD, and DRT, which seems like a reasonable cross-section of the
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Even Davy's get confused though - the first paragraph is:DRT wrote:Worst of all, there is no "The" in "Crusting Pipe".
Davy's wrote:Situated in the Heart of The Old Covent Garden Market, The Crusting Pipe is one of our traditional styled Wine Bars
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I don't think we want to use Davy's website as an acceptable standard.PhilW wrote:Even Davy's get confused though - the first paragraph is:DRT wrote:Worst of all, there is no "The" in "Crusting Pipe".Davy's wrote:Situated in the Heart of The Old Covent Garden Market, The Crusting Pipe is one of our traditional styled Wine Bars
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I was going to say that I think they’ve just gone for the traditional method of capitalising the first letter of every noun, but then I’m pretty sure those market buildings are a ‟new Covent Garden market”, not old, having been built to replace the old wooden stalls in the 19th Century. (Of course there is also a ‟New Covent Garden”, too, which helpfully does not have any capitals in its name at all...)PhilW wrote:Even Davy's get confused though - the first paragraph is:DRT wrote:Worst of all, there is no "The" in "Crusting Pipe".Davy's wrote:Situated in the Heart of The Old Covent Garden Market, The Crusting Pipe is one of our traditional styled Wine Bars
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=48756]Here[/url] g-man wrote:Acutally
we might have to change this to a pre leap year celebration
or the TPF, "I don't believe in leap days due to a rounding error" tasting on the 28th
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Dava?[url=http://www.portovino.co.uk/portovino/Products/Port/Dalva_Ports.html]Here[/url], PortoVino wrote:The name Dalva comes from Da(sil)va. Easier to say!
But, as a side note, i have never seen a Dalva port, as opposed to a DALVA port, leading me to think that the proper name of the brand requires all letters to be capitalised and that our references in the TN database are incorrect.
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What are the rules surrounding this type of "clarificatory" apostrophe?
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Without venturing a view on the substantive question; how did you come across such a site?RAYC wrote:What are the rules surrounding this type of "clarificatory" apostrophe?
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I’m not sure I agree with that reasoning; there aren’t very many shippers who don’t spell their names in capitals on their bottles! I suppose we could adopt the methods of the medieval scribes and use Daḻva or something similar...RAYC wrote:But, as a side note, i have never seen a Dalva port, as opposed to a DALVA port, leading me to think that the proper name of the brand requires all letters to be capitalised and that our references in the TN database are incorrect.
On an unrelated topic, this is an unusual apostrophe crime, committed by ‟Taylor‘s”:

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Agreed, but i am not just going by the labels on their bottles.JacobH wrote:I’m not sure I agree with that reasoning; there aren’t very many shippers who don’t spell their names in capitals on their bottles! I suppose we could adopt the methods of the medieval scribes and use Daḻva or something similar...RAYC wrote:But, as a side note, i have never seen a Dalva port, as opposed to a DALVA port, leading me to think that the proper name of the brand requires all letters to be capitalised and that our references in the TN database are incorrect.
Perusing the C. da Silva website and blog, the majority of references are to DALVA (capitalised) . Likewise on the C. da Silva/DALVA facebook page. There are a couple of rogue references to "Dalva" that have crept in (particularly where they are quoting wine critics/magazines), but i think these are in the minority. Worth referring to Goncalo?
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Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.JacobH wrote:Without venturing a view on the substantive question; how did you come across such a site?RAYC wrote:What are the rules surrounding this type of "clarificatory" apostrophe?
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Alas, no more.DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
This, however, may not actually be an error, as a slight re-phrasing as "the error thread on TPF" demonstrates.RAYC wrote:Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.
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Glenn E. wrote:Alas, no more.DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".This, however, may not actually be an error, as a slight re-phrasing as "the error thread on TPF" demonstrates.RAYC wrote:Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.

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Edit: this complaint withdrawn, with apologies see below.[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor.
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The 1994 Taylor is in the possession of "first you", so I object on Glenn's behalf.jdaw1 wrote:[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor.
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Correct!DRT wrote:The 1994 Taylor is in the possession of "first you", so I object on Glenn's behalf.jdaw1 wrote:[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor.
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Then my complaint is withdrawn, with apologies.
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My mentor will be very pleased that I noticed.
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5888&p=49729#p49729]Here[/url] Andy Velebil wrote:Be thankful he didn't steal you're Port too
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I don't know what you speak of, the link shows it correctly spelledDRT wrote:[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5888&p=49729#p49729]Here[/url] Andy Velebil wrote:Be thankful he didn't steal you're Port too


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Punctuation news, rather than a crime.
The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
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Is this an Oxford comma thing?jdaw1 wrote:Punctuation news, rather than a crime.The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
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Spelling, punctuation, and grammar?DRT wrote:Is this an Oxford comma thing?jdaw1 wrote:Punctuation news, rather than a crime.The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=39367#p39367]Here[/url] Cookie wrote:1. His Excellency Dr Joao de Vallera
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So great that I can't spot itRAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser

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RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser

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I was searching for a misplaced or missing apostrophe
Very funny

Very funny

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I’m going to have to return to this puzzle.
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That is one of the most amusing errors I've seen in a while...but why on earth were you looking at Playmobil sets on the HoF website?RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
Top Ports in 2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
2025: Quevedo 1972 Colheita, b.2024. Just as good as Niepoort 1900!
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I’m glad AHB asked the question I was thinking about, too!AHB wrote:That is one of the most amusing errors I've seen in a while...but why on earth were you looking at Playmobil sets on the HoF website?RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser