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Trouble, it seems, with the verb-noun distinction?
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BREAKING NEWS: jdaw1 and JacobH both convicted on the same day!!!

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jdaw1 wrote:
Trouble, it seems, with the verb-noun distinction?
mea culpa. My mitigation is that sentence originally read ‟I might advise...” or similar.
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5453#p46059]Here[/url], jdaw1 wrote:A very pleasant evening with two bottles, and as ever the TCP’s excellent food and service. Plus the Scribners, for the non-drinking Mrs S was also present, had the pleasure of seeing the rabbit warren that is TCP.
Can't believe this one slipped through the net. There's even a special name for this type of error (that i can't remember just now).
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I fail to detect the error, unless it is the lack of a period after Mrs.

Your 800th post, no less.
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Glenn E. wrote:I fail to detect the error, unless it is the lack of a period after Mrs.

Your 800th post, no less.
You got me - I must admit, i was in search of an error to see whether i would progress past Malvedos 96!

"the TCP", de-TLA'd, is "the The Crusting Pipe", which doesn't seem to me to read well in this context.

I'm pretty sure there's a term for the use of a superfluous word before an acronym, but can't remember and don't seem to have the google skills to find it.

I'm not exactly sure what the rules are for the use of a period after Mrs - i think (for British English, at least) it is not required since the abbreviation ends with the same letter as the full word (Mistress) (cf Captain - Capt.)
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Ah yes, like the infamous ATM machine and PIN number. Completely missed that!
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isn't that just a spelling crime?
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PhilW wrote:
isn't that just a spelling crime?
Yes. But i was feeling unforgiving.
jdaw1 wrote:This thread is also used for reports of crimes of similar import. Carry on.
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Glenn E. wrote:Ah yes, like the infamous ATM machine and PIN number. Completely missed that!
RAS Syndrome!

The examples that i seem to come across most frequently at the moment are "RPI Index" and "CPI Index".
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RAYC wrote:The examples that i seem to come across most frequently at the moment are "RPI Index" and "CPI Index".
There’s a foreign-language version of this too (e.g. ‟the Al Aqsa Mosque”, ‟please RSVP”, ‟the hoi polloi”, &c. &c.) which is equally annoying.
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I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
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RAYC wrote:
Glenn E. wrote:Ah yes, like the infamous ATM machine and PIN number. Completely missed that!
RAS Syndrome!

The examples that i seem to come across most frequently at the moment are "RPI Index" and "CPI Index".
Awesome. PNS Syndrome.
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DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons this is the most heinous example.
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JacobH wrote:
DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons this is the most heinous example.
I'm pleased to be able to look smugly at the contents of my reply to JDAW's reference to "the TCP". 88)
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JacobH wrote:
DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons this is the most heinous example.
Presumably you meant "have uttered the phrase"?
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DRT wrote:
JacobH wrote:
DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons this is the most heinous example.
Presumably you meant "have uttered the phrase"?
Indicted with jdaw1 are: WS1, AHB, me :oops:, PhilW, RonnieRoots, ChrisD, and DRT, which seems like a reasonable cross-section of the :tpf: community :wink:
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JacobH wrote:
DRT wrote:
JacobH wrote:
DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
It appears there are few members who haven’t uttered the phrase ‟the TCP”, though. For obvious reasons this is the most heinous example.
Presumably you meant "have uttered the phrase"?
Indicted with jdaw1 are: WS1, AHB, me :oops:, PhilW, RonnieRoots, ChrisD, and DRT, which seems like a reasonable cross-section of the :tpf: community :wink:
Worst of all, there is no "The" in "Crusting Pipe". :roll:
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DRT wrote:Worst of all, there is no "The" in "Crusting Pipe". :roll:
Even Davy's get confused though - the first paragraph is:
Davy's wrote:Situated in the Heart of The Old Covent Garden Market, The Crusting Pipe is one of our traditional styled Wine Bars
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PhilW wrote:
DRT wrote:Worst of all, there is no "The" in "Crusting Pipe". :roll:
Even Davy's get confused though - the first paragraph is:
Davy's wrote:Situated in the Heart of The Old Covent Garden Market, The Crusting Pipe is one of our traditional styled Wine Bars
I don't think we want to use Davy's website as an acceptable standard.
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PhilW wrote:
DRT wrote:Worst of all, there is no "The" in "Crusting Pipe". :roll:
Even Davy's get confused though - the first paragraph is:
Davy's wrote:Situated in the Heart of The Old Covent Garden Market, The Crusting Pipe is one of our traditional styled Wine Bars
I was going to say that I think they’ve just gone for the traditional method of capitalising the first letter of every noun, but then I’m pretty sure those market buildings are a ‟new Covent Garden market”, not old, having been built to replace the old wooden stalls in the 19th Century. (Of course there is also a ‟New Covent Garden”, too, which helpfully does not have any capitals in its name at all...)
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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=48756]Here[/url] g-man wrote:Acutally

we might have to change this to a pre leap year celebration
or the TPF, "I don't believe in leap days due to a rounding error" tasting on the 28th
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Dava?

But, as a side note, i have never seen a Dalva port, as opposed to a DALVA port, leading me to think that the proper name of the brand requires all letters to be capitalised and that our references in the TN database are incorrect.
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What are the rules surrounding this type of "clarificatory" apostrophe?
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RAYC wrote:What are the rules surrounding this type of "clarificatory" apostrophe?
Without venturing a view on the substantive question; how did you come across such a site?
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RAYC wrote:But, as a side note, i have never seen a Dalva port, as opposed to a DALVA port, leading me to think that the proper name of the brand requires all letters to be capitalised and that our references in the TN database are incorrect.
I’m not sure I agree with that reasoning; there aren’t very many shippers who don’t spell their names in capitals on their bottles! I suppose we could adopt the methods of the medieval scribes and use Daḻva or something similar...

On an unrelated topic, this is an unusual apostrophe crime, committed by ‟Taylor‘s”:
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JacobH wrote:
RAYC wrote:But, as a side note, i have never seen a Dalva port, as opposed to a DALVA port, leading me to think that the proper name of the brand requires all letters to be capitalised and that our references in the TN database are incorrect.
I’m not sure I agree with that reasoning; there aren’t very many shippers who don’t spell their names in capitals on their bottles! I suppose we could adopt the methods of the medieval scribes and use Daḻva or something similar...
Agreed, but i am not just going by the labels on their bottles.

Perusing the C. da Silva website and blog, the majority of references are to DALVA (capitalised) . Likewise on the C. da Silva/DALVA facebook page. There are a couple of rogue references to "Dalva" that have crept in (particularly where they are quoting wine critics/magazines), but i think these are in the minority. Worth referring to Goncalo?
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JacobH wrote:
RAYC wrote:What are the rules surrounding this type of "clarificatory" apostrophe?
Without venturing a view on the substantive question; how did you come across such a site?
Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.
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DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
Alas, no more.
RAYC wrote:Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.
This, however, may not actually be an error, as a slight re-phrasing as "the error thread on TPF" demonstrates.
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Glenn E. wrote:
DRT wrote:I am pleased to report that a quick search of this site returns no instances of "the TPF".
Alas, no more.
RAYC wrote:Caught short after too much consolation beer at Twickenham on Saturday, when i suddenly spotted one of their cabins in a pub car park. Naturally, my first thought (after the initial relief) was whether this would be deemed acceptable usage on the TPF error thread.
This, however, may not actually be an error, as a slight re-phrasing as "the error thread on TPF" demonstrates.
:wink: very good - so quick!
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[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor. ;-)
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jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor. ;-)
The 1994 Taylor is in the possession of "first you", so I object on Glenn's behalf.
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DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=48949#p48949]Here[/url] Glenn E. wrote:Second you could bring a 1992 Taylor to contrast with first you's 1994 Taylor. ;-)
The 1994 Taylor is in the possession of "first you", so I object on Glenn's behalf.
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Then my complaint is withdrawn, with apologies.
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"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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I don't know what you speak of, the link shows it correctly spelled :lol: :lol:
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Punctuation news, rather than a crime.
The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
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jdaw1 wrote:Punctuation news, rather than a crime.
The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
Is this an Oxford comma thing?
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DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:Punctuation news, rather than a crime.
The BBC, in a story entitled [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17974663]Heads oppose new punctuation and spelling test[/url], wrote:Head teachers say they will disrupt a new spelling, grammar and punctuation test to be introduced in England's primary schools next summer.
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Ministers said too little attention had been paid to spelling, punctuation and grammar in recent years.
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Introducing a motion to disrupt the "technical English" tests, Milton Keynes head teacher Tony Draper said teachers should be left to assess pupils in spelling, punctuation and grammar.
Is this an Oxford comma thing?
Spelling, punctuation, and grammar?
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A great error from House of Fraser
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RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
So great that I can't spot it :?
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RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
:D Love it - Jacob should approve!
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I was searching for a misplaced or missing apostrophe :QuotePedant:

Very funny :lol:
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I’m going to have to return to this puzzle.
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RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
That is one of the most amusing errors I've seen in a while...but why on earth were you looking at Playmobil sets on the HoF website?
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AHB wrote:
RAYC wrote:A great error from House of Fraser
That is one of the most amusing errors I've seen in a while...but why on earth were you looking at Playmobil sets on the HoF website?
I’m glad AHB asked the question I was thinking about, too!
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