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The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 20:46 Fri 06 Jan 2017
by Alex Bridgeman
Everyone and anyone is invited to use this thread to nominate a bottle or few which they would really, really like to try at some point in the future. You never know, perhaps someone here has the chance to make your wish come true. Don't be shy about nominating anything, but don't go overboard with a long laundry list - you can always make a second post (or third, or fourth...) once your bucket list has been achieved.
And to start things off, here's mine:
- a good bottle of Smith Woodhouse 1963 vintage port
- any other 1963 vintage port I've not tried yet (anyone want the list?)
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 21:23 Fri 06 Jan 2017
by Doggett
A starter for you... The first because I want to try all the shippers that produced my birth year vintage of 1972 and this one the most. So far the ones I have tasted include just TV, FG and a truely marvellous bottle of OBV that Derek was kind enough to share. The second because I have read some marvellous tasting notes, and heard some lyrical reviews of what is a port that is realistically possible to taste at some point, rather than opt for a perfect magnum of Noval Nacional 1963 from the Quinta cellars I may not be fortunate enough to come across. The third because I love my Tawnies and have been lucky enough to have a glass of Taylor's Scion, try a Sandemans Cask33 and have a number of other premium release aged Tawnies...but I would very much like to try the Graham's Ne Oublie.
SCD's Bucket List
1. Dow 1972 VP
2. Niepoort 1945 VP
3. Graham's Ne Oublie 1882 Wood aged Tawny
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 14:11 Sat 07 Jan 2017
by jdaw1
AHB wrote:(anyone want the list?)
Post it anyway, for the reasons you gave.
Dow 1878.
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 18:20 Sat 07 Jan 2017
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:Dow 1878.
+1
Which was the 19th century Croft that was declared but "suspected" to be wine from the previous generally declared vintage? 1869?
I want to taste that one.
If only there was a book available where one could find answers to such questions

Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 19:03 Sat 07 Jan 2017
by jdaw1
If only.
From memory, reported that the grapes were 1868, but for reasons of stubbornness marketed as 1869 (perhaps also Martinez '69). But both years of Croft were seen at auction.
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Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 23:35 Sat 07 Jan 2017
by Alex Bridgeman
jdaw1 wrote:Dow 1878.
Care to say why?
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 23:36 Sat 07 Jan 2017
by Alex Bridgeman
Doggett wrote:A starter for you... The first because I want to try all the shippers that produced my birth year vintage of 1972 and this one the most. So far the ones I have tasted include just TV, FG and a truely marvellous bottle of OBV that Derek was kind enough to share. The second because I have read some marvellous tasting notes, and heard some lyrical reviews of what is a port that is realistically possible to taste at some point, rather than opt for a perfect magnum of Noval Nacional 1963 from the Quinta cellars I may not be fortunate enough to come across. The third because I love my Tawnies and have been lucky enough to have a glass of Taylor's Scion, try a Sandemans Cask33 and have a number of other premium release aged Tawnies...but I would very much like to try the Graham's Ne Oublie.
SCD's Bucket List
1. Dow 1972 VP
2. Niepoort 1945 VP
3. Graham's Ne Oublie 1882 Wood aged Tawny
Nice explanations, which made for interesting reading.
I have no Ne Oublie in my cellar, but I believe that you can buy it by the glass at the Lodge / Vinum restaurant...
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 00:52 Sun 08 Jan 2017
by LGTrotter
jdaw1 wrote:From memory, reported that the grapes were 1868, but for reasons of stubbornness marketed as 1869 (perhaps also Martinez '69). But both years of Croft were seen at auction.
I might reference one J Wiseman;
jdaw1 wrote:Doggett wrote:HENRY. Cockburn '69.
Sixty-nine?! Faked by Croft; produced by none other (I scorn your sole reference to Martinez.)
Found when just about to add to the "Port and literature" thread.
Anyway, I hope the following counts as bucket list material; I would love a case of Fonseca 77 to sip gradually through the years. Just because it is a masterpiece. The other bucket list port which springs to mind I own already, Cockburn 77. I always wanted to try one but never thought I would get the opportunity. God bless the Symingtons. All I have to do now is wait a few years for the new corks to settle down.
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 10:34 Sun 08 Jan 2017
by Andy Velebil
1963 Smith Woodhouse as well. Simply as it's probably the only major classically declared VP I've not had from the past 53 years (those regarded as top notch producers that is). And it's one I've never seen come up for sale and I've never seen a bottle of it. Unicorn, it is.
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 11:00 Sun 08 Jan 2017
by DRT
I just had a quick search for SW63 in all of the usual places. The only hit I found was that one member of the CellarTracker community has one listed in their stock. As I am not registered with CT I cannot hunt him down. Do we have any members here with advanced training on forensic investigation and detection?
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 18:46 Sun 08 Jan 2017
by Andy Velebil
DRT wrote:I just had a quick search for SW63 in all of the usual places. The only hit I found was that one member of the CellarTracker community has one listed in their stock. As I am not registered with CT I cannot hunt him down. Do we have any members here with advanced training on forensic investigation and detection?
I'll work on it. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 19:42 Sun 08 Jan 2017
by idj123
I could list Ports from the 19th century but hopefully more realistically, the following (two from the same house and two from the same year):
Ni70 (slightly surprising that I don't believe I have tasted this)
Ni55
F27
Ck27
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 13:56 Mon 09 Jan 2017
by PhilW
PW's Port Bucket List
Av63 - ideally alongside the component wines
Ni55 - perhaps this might happen at the 55s tasting in 2017
NN63 - one day I would love to try this
F27 & W27 - my two favourite houses
Niepooort VV - the original version
[edited to remove port I have been lucky enough to drink since posting the list]
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 10:00 Fri 13 Jan 2017
by uncle tom
Would love to do a matrix tasting of the principal shippers 1896/1900/1904/1908/1912
As for Dow '72, I can easily spare a bottle..
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 14:37 Fri 13 Jan 2017
by Alex M
A fairly simple one without wanting to go 'overboard'.
T1970 vs TQdV1970
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 22:10 Fri 13 Jan 2017
by jdaw1
uncle tom wrote:Would love to do a matrix tasting of the principal shippers 1896/1900/1904/1908/1912
I am available that day.
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 23:18 Fri 13 Jan 2017
by Alex Bridgeman
jdaw1 wrote:uncle tom wrote:Would love to do a matrix tasting of the principal shippers 1896/1900/1904/1908/1912
I am available that day.
Even if the day is 1st April?
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 23:57 Fri 13 Jan 2017
by jdaw1
AHB wrote:Even if the day is 1st April?
I could get permission for a Saturday tasting. Could you?
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 00:06 Sat 14 Jan 2017
by Alex Bridgeman
jdaw1 wrote:AHB wrote:Even if the day is 1st April?
I could get permission for a Saturday tasting. Could you?
Whether it's a Saturday or not depends on which year the tasting is held. And if it was on a Saturday perhaps I could host it - that's what I had to do last time I got permission for a Saturday tasting in October 2013.
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 11:49 Sat 14 Jan 2017
by jdaw1
Thank you.
Julian Wiseman accepts the kind invitation of Alex Bridgeman to a matrix tasting of the principal shippers 1896/1900/1904/1908/1912, on Saturday 1st April 2016.
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Re: RE: Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 13:19 Sat 14 Jan 2017
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:Thank you.
Julian Wiseman accepts the kind invitation of Alex Bridgeman to a matrix tasting of the principal shippers 1896/1900/1904/1908/1912, on Saturday 1st April 2016.
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Now if only you could go back in time to attend it.
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 15:43 Sat 14 Jan 2017
by jdaw1
That'll teach me to use Tapatalk. Damn!
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Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 12:41 Thu 04 May 2017
by Alex Bridgeman
LGTrotter wrote: ↑00:52 Sun 08 Jan 2017The other bucket list port which springs to mind I own already, Cockburn 77. I always wanted to try one but never thought I would get the opportunity. God bless the Symingtons. All I have to do now is wait a few years for the new corks to settle down.
They seem to have done so. CMAG and I shared a bottle from the bicentenary released last night and it was delicious - elegant and mature, just the way I like my port.
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 12:49 Thu 04 May 2017
by DRT
AHB wrote: ↑12:41 Thu 04 May 2017
LGTrotter wrote: ↑00:52 Sun 08 Jan 2017The other bucket list port which springs to mind I own already, Cockburn 77. I always wanted to try one but never thought I would get the opportunity. God bless the Symingtons. All I have to do now is wait a few years for the new corks to settle down.
They seem to have done so. CMAG and I shared a bottle from the bicentenary released last night and it was delicious - elegant and mature, just the way I like my port.
I
am was available and in London that evening

Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 08:07 Fri 05 May 2017
by Alex Bridgeman
DRT wrote: ↑12:49 Thu 04 May 2017
AHB wrote: ↑12:41 Thu 04 May 2017
LGTrotter wrote: ↑00:52 Sun 08 Jan 2017The other bucket list port which springs to mind I own already, Cockburn 77. I always wanted to try one but never thought I would get the opportunity. God bless the Symingtons. All I have to do now is wait a few years for the new corks to settle down.
They seem to have done so. CMAG and I shared a bottle from the bicentenary released last night and it was delicious - elegant and mature, just the way I like my port.
I
am was available and in London that evening

If only we had known! We were even talking about how rarely you were in London overnight these days...
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 19:47 Fri 05 May 2017
by DRT
AHB wrote: ↑20:46 Fri 06 Jan 2017 - any other 1963 vintage port I've not tried yet (anyone want the list?)
jdaw1 wrote: ↑14:11 Sat 07 Jan 2017AHB wrote:(anyone want the list?)
Post it anyway, for the reasons you gave.
AHB has not yet posted the list. Does this mean there are no other 1963 ports that he wants to taste?
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 20:55 Fri 05 May 2017
by Andy Velebil
DRT wrote: ↑19:47 Fri 05 May 2017
AHB wrote: ↑20:46 Fri 06 Jan 2017 - any other 1963 vintage port I've not tried yet (anyone want the list?)
jdaw1 wrote: ↑14:11 Sat 07 Jan 2017AHB wrote:(anyone want the list?)
Post it anyway, for the reasons you gave.
AHB has not yet posted the list. Does this mean there are no other 1963 ports that he wants to taste?
I know of two that AHB wants to taste. One, if he's nice, may get to sooner rather than later.

Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 22:32 Fri 05 May 2017
by jdaw1
AHB wrote: ↑23:35 Sat 07 Jan 2017jdaw1 wrote:Dow 1878.
Care to say why?
George Saintsbury, in ‘Notes on a Cellar Book’ (1920), pages 31-32 wrote:For some years, however, after the book was started I did not drink much port, being in the heat of my devotion to Claret or Burgundy after dinner. … During that interval I was accused and convicted of acute rheumatism, and sentenced, as usual, to give up port altogether—which was all the harder as I had just returned to my natural allegiance thereto. The result was that several dozens of what was going to be one of the best wines of the century, Dow’s ’78, comforted the sick and afflicted of a Cambridgeshire village
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 09:17 Sat 06 May 2017
by uncle tom
comforted the sick and afflicted of a Cambridgeshire village
Before the nanny state outlawed claims that alcohol could be beneficial - 'Guinness is good for you' - ' Invalid port' etc..
- I wonder when it was that Port was first marketed as an aid to recuperation?
(I actually think that Invalid Port was a valid product - did the producers ever challenge its prohibition?)
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 01:06 Wed 10 May 2017
by g-man
My wishlist is to try a Noval Nacional that will fascinate my taste buds.
Barring that,
I'd love to do a horizontal of the 55's as the only 55's I've had are the cockburn and the dow's which was graciously opened by Uncle Tom
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 11:17 Mon 15 May 2017
by griff
g-man wrote: ↑01:06 Wed 10 May 2017
My wishlist is to try a Noval Nacional that will fascinate my taste buds.
Barring that,
I'd love to do a horizontal of the 55's as the only 55's I've had are the cockburn and the dow's which was graciously opened by Uncle Tom
I admire your ambition! The 55 vintage is, in my opinion, the ne plus ultra. I have also relied on the kindness of colleagues.
Yet to have a Noval Nacional, let alone a 31.
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 14:45 Mon 15 May 2017
by uncle tom
Yet to have a Noval Nacional, let alone a 31
Try finding a reliable TN on NN31 from the last forty years that does not include a measure of disappointment..
That bird has flown I think - the regular N31 is still drinking extremely well though.
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 06:32 Fri 19 May 2017
by Axel P
Fonseca 1927 it is for me
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 12:06 Sun 21 May 2017
by Alex Bridgeman
Axel P wrote: ↑06:32 Fri 19 May 2017Fonseca 1927 it is for me
Track down a bottle of SW63 for me and we have the theme for a dinner - "Bucket List Ports".
Other 1963 vintage ports that I am aware of which I have not yet tasted include:
Barros
Butler Nephew
Douro Wine Shipper's & Grower's Association
Feist
Ferreira's Quinta do Vesuvio
Gilbert's
Kopke
Ramos Pinto
Rocheda
Rozes
Tuke Holdsworth
If anyone knows of any of these or would be willing to share one with me over dinner (and I'll bring something equally special) then please let me know!
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 18:06 Thu 25 May 2017
by Axel P
I would be game for RP 63.
Axel
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 17:55 Sun 28 May 2017
by Alex Bridgeman
Axel P wrote: ↑18:06 Thu 25 May 2017I would be game for RP 63.
That would be brilliant. Any plans to visit London before December?
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 09:43 Mon 29 May 2017
by Axel P
No, but I happen to have more than one bottle, so if you come to Germany prior....
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 09:43 Mon 29 May 2017
by Axel P
... and just met someone who has Fonseca 27 on the weekend in the Douro...
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 20:35 Mon 29 May 2017
by Alex Bridgeman
Axel P wrote: ↑09:43 Mon 29 May 2017... and just met someone who has Fonseca 27 on the weekend in the Douro...
That's a tremendous and very pleasant surprise. Do tell us what you think of it. I've only had it once and that was from a small sample bottle which Tom kindly kept for me from a bottle shared some years ago.
Re: The Port Forum Port Bucket List
Posted: 06:47 Wed 31 May 2017
by Axel P
Well, I just met someone who has a bottle in his possession and is willing to open...