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When: 6½pm Wednesday 14^th March 2018.

Where: Red Room, Boot & Flogger, SE1 1TA.

Theme: Blind, SQVP or a mature LBV

mature LBV defined as older than 1990.

Who:

1. MPM;
2. IDJ;
3. CPR;
4. SCD;
5. DRL;
6. JDAW;
7. DG.

Possibly:

1. DRT;
2. AHB.

Draft of the food order.

Draft of the placemats (and parameters by which made)

How does this date suit for folks?

Ok by me. SQVP may be easier than mature LBV.

Works for me, yes please

Yes please

Ok by me

Sounds great, yes please.

I’ll check my diary tomorrow - but could we make this a blind tasting please? Adds an extra layer of challenge to first identify whether it’s SQVP or LBV.

Will check with SWMBO = HI.

I note that the LBV must be ‘≤1989’ mature, but that there is no such requirement on the SQVP.

Is Noval SQVP? NN? V89? GM?

Better put me down as a possible. I'm already out for dinner on Thursday so may not be able to get the pass for Wednesday as well.

Please put me down as a possible.

DRT wrote: ↑00:00 Wed 31 Jan 2018 Please put me down as a possible.

Done. Fingers (and knees) crossed.

Red room reserved at the B&F.

jdaw1 wrote: ↑23:10 Tue 16 Jan 2018 Will check with SWMBO = HI.

I note that the LBV must be ‘≤1989’ mature, but that there is no such requirement on the SQVP.

Is Noval SQVP? NN? V89? GM?

Was permission granted?

Hmmm. Is Noval a SQVP? I don't know the answer to that. Do they only make the port using grapes from Noval? Even if they do make it only using grapes from Noval, is that what we mean by SQVP, or do we mean the second wine from a house? Same conundrum applies to Vesuvio.

Malvedos though is a SQVP in my books.

Ooh! Controversial!

If you mean second wine, then say second wine and don't say SQVP. Noval have always made their ports only from grapes grown on their quinta. For many years Graham made Graham Malvedos from grapes grown outside the quinta boundaries. SQVP excludes Fonseca Guimaraens but Second Wines would include FG (but exclude Noval, Vesuvio etc.)

I presume that SQVP means port wine made only from grapes grown within the boundaries of the quinta (the boundaries at the time the grapes were being grown). So V94 is in, No27 is in, NN31 is in; FG76 is out

Hi everyone, I really like mature LBV's. Is there a free space for this event?

With regards to SQVPs , they are made quite similarly to VPs , with 2-3 years ageing in cask and no ftration prior to bottling. They are generally produced from the producer's finest vineyard in non declared years.
I would be inclined to ignore the vineyard boundaries and say that a single quinta is the best available v.p. on a non declared vintage!

A question? How about including some Noval Silval and Sandeman Vau? They are not single quintas but as mentioned previously, Noval Ports are only sourced by their vineyards. And both Vau and Silval belong to a category that is something between an LBV and a Vintage Port? Awaiting your thoughts.

Last week were drunk, from my cellar, three double-magnums of Sandeman Vau 2000. Plus my last Cockburn 1955.

Constandia wrote:With regards to SQVPs , they are made quite similarly to VPs , with 2-3 years ageing in cask and no ftration prior to bottling. They are generally produced from the producer's finest vineyard in non declared years.
I would be inclined to ignore the vineyard boundaries and say that a single quinta is the best available v.p. on a non declared vintage!

A question? How about including some Noval Silval and Sandeman Vau? They are not single quintas but as mentioned previously, Noval Ports are only sourced by their vineyards. And both Vau and Silval belong to a category that is something between an LBV and a Vintage Port? Awaiting your thoughts.

Noval Silval's don't come 100% from the main Quinta. While I enjoy them they are no where near the league of Malvedos/Vargellas/and some others. A bit closer to a good unfiltered LBV in my experience.

97/99 Vau were, by later admission, made a bit too VP-like and have held up quite well as a result. The 2000 version was substantially different in how it was produced and is a far more earlier maturing bottle...still quite good but quite different than earlier ones.


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jdaw1 wrote: ↑21:27 Wed 07 Feb 2018 Last week were drunk, from my cellar, three double-magnums of Sandeman Vau 2000. Plus my last Cockburn 1955.

How was the 2000? Must have been good to drink 3 Mags in a week lol! I really like the '99.

Andy Velebil wrote: ↑04:41 Sun 11 Feb 2018

Constandia wrote:With regards to SQVPs , they are made quite similarly to VPs , with 2-3 years ageing in cask and no ftration prior to bottling. They are generally produced from the producer's finest vineyard in non declared years.
I would be inclined to ignore the vineyard boundaries and

Noval Silval's don't come 100% from the main Quinta. While I enjoy them they are no where near the league of Malvedos/Vargellas/and some others. A bit closer to a good unfiltered LBV in my experience.

97/99 Vau were, by later admission, made a bit too VP-like and have held up quite well as a result. The 2000 version was substantially different in how it was produced and is a far more earlier maturing bottle...still quite good but quite different than earlier ones.


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Hey thanks! Very interesting info about the Silval. It could act as a cheeky blind tasting against an unfiltered LBV then?

I haven't tried the 2000, however the 1999 Vau is delicious and at a fraction of the price of a VP. It seems so young still and definitely needs some more time to evolve.

Constandia wrote: ↑16:26 Tue 13 Feb 2018How was the 2000? Must have been good to drink 3 Mags in a week lol! I really like the '99.

Three double magnums, for about thirty people.

I think it does what it says on the tin. Drinks very nicely young, but is insufficiently heavy to make great old Port.

I also prefer the ’99, but none remain.

I think I can upgrade myself from possibly to almost certainly

I won’t be able to access a suitable bottle in time. Please may I adopt?

The placemats added to first post.

Time for the food orders to be made, from the menu here please.

I'm having:
Cornish crab salad with ciabatta toasts
Rib eye steak (240g aged for 28 days) with hand cut chips and a fried egg (rare)
Heritage carrots with coriander and onion seeds

jdaw1 wrote: ↑21:42 Sun 04 Mar 2018 I won’t be able to access a suitable bottle in time. Please may I adopt?

I'm not sure I have much available to adopt. Will check tonight.

I can't make this tasting (I couldn't do any date that week); I thought I should probably say so explicitly, rather than implicitly by omission.

Sadly TC also can't make it.

flash_uk wrote: ↑11:33 Mon 05 Mar 2018 Sadly TC also can't make it.

But Dia said she could and so can she be added to the attendees? Have we made a final decision on what's within theme and what's without ie I'm assuming that N and V are in but FG is out?

Cornish crab salad with ciabatta toasts
Rib eye steak with hand cut chips (Black and blue) with a side of green beans

Thank you

jdaw1 wrote: ↑21:42 Sun 04 Mar 2018 I won’t be able to access a suitable bottle in time. Please may I adopt?

Yes no problem

idj123 wrote: ↑13:08 Mon 05 Mar 2018

flash_uk wrote: ↑11:33 Mon 05 Mar 2018 Sadly TC also can't make it.

But Dia said she could and so can she be added to the attendees? Have we made a final decision on what's within theme and what's without ie I'm assuming that N and V are in but FG is out?

Good spot - updated top post to add Dia.

Yes N, V in, FG out.

Also, I think it would be nice to do this one blind. There are not too many of us, so self-pouring at the table should be fine.

Oak smoked salmon with beetroot, orange and horseradish
Rib eye steak rare (240g aged for 28 days) skinny chips if available (or hand cut chips)
Green beans with shallots

Gluten free please
Thanks

flash_uk wrote: ↑14:04 Mon 05 Mar 2018 Also, I think it would be nice to do this one blind. There are not too many of us, so self-pouring at the table should be fine.

Happy to do blind. If so, who to pick the monkey's choice?

And now back down to not able to attend. Sorry.

For me please:
• Mac & Cheese.
• Gammon & everything.
• No, cheesier than his.

CPR 1 wrote: ↑13:13 Mon 05 Mar 2018Yes no problem

Thank you.

DaveRL wrote: ↑15:13 Mon 05 Mar 2018who to pick the monkey's choice?

AHB. Please post me an envelope, clearly marked as for me but not to open yet. I will bring unopened.

No food for me at this one thank you

flash_uk wrote: ↑11:07 Mon 05 Mar 2018Time for the food orders to be made, from the menu here please.

Will you assemble the food order, or should I?

jdaw1 wrote: ↑10:04 Tue 06 Mar 2018

flash_uk wrote: ↑11:07 Mon 05 Mar 2018Time for the food orders to be made, from the menu here please.

Will you assemble the food order, or should I?

Already done in the top post

Yay! I can bring a single quinta for sure. Mature LBV is harder to find when it comes to older vintages.
Let me know how many bottles and what is needed or if everything is sorted port-wise, let me know how I can contribute.
With regards to food:
May I have the duck liver pate to start please, followed by rib eye steak (rare) with hand cut chips.
Thank you

My order is:

Truffle Mac and Cheese
Gammon and chips with black pudding but no egg (egg not to touch my plate but to be dexterously offloaded to Julian's beforehand) plus a side order of green beans
Dessert TBD on the night

Thanks

Constandia wrote: ↑18:27 Tue 06 Mar 2018 Yay! I can bring a single quinta for sure. Mature LBV is harder to find when it comes to older vintages.
Let me know how many bottles and what is needed or if everything is sorted port-wise, let me know how I can contribute.
With regards to food:
May I have the duck liver pate to start please, followed by rib eye steak (rare) with hand cut chips.
Thank you

Just need a bottle Dia, although if you want to bring two, feel free
Plenty of space on the placemats.

OK food order is complete I believe. Could someone do a quick check?

DRT wrote: ↑00:00 Wed 31 Jan 2018 Please put me down as a possible.

Unfortunately, I am now a "definitely not"

Please could somebody check the placemats?

flash_uk wrote: ↑14:48 Wed 07 Mar 2018 OK food order is complete I believe. Could someone do a quick check?

You are missing black pudding for Julian and Ian. Also Ian 'No egg' looks crossed out (I think you wanted to underline) thus may cause confusion.

Otherwise all good. Looking forward to Wednesday

jdaw1 wrote: ↑13:11 Sat 10 Mar 2018 Please could somebody check the placemats?

Looks good to my inexpert eye