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1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 21:04 Thu 11 Jul 2019
by winesecretary
I have only very rarely tasted 1991s but, when I have, I have felt that it has perhaps got slightly worse press as a vintage than it deserves.
To assess this theory we will taste 1991s on Monday 9th December 2019 in the Red Room at the B&F, 1800 for 1830. At uncle tom's request, I clarify that TPF'ers attending are requested to double-decant the wine they are bringing no later than 1830 on Sunday 8th and leave it to breathe overnight.
My original intention was to make this tasting single blind but I have eventually concluded that trying to decide which wine is which may be a distraction from trying to decide which wine is best. So, sighted it is.
Since the B&F closes at 1000 on Mondays, we might each be able to take home a spare glass or two from our respective bottles for contemplation the following day, especially since we will be tasting 16 wines.
I shall aim to arrive about 1715 to start checking glasses and pouring the first few out. I shall attempt to print placemats, and will send out a distress call if I fail.
Please let me know by PM if you don't want your standard food order by Wednesday 1200, as I will file it Wednesday afternoon.
- GEAG - NN & W & Ck
- DR (Guest of GEAG) - D (by adoption)
- AHB - GC
- JDAW - N (adopted from Tom)
- flash_uk - Tv
- CSD - G (by adoption from GEAG)
- idj123 - SW
- DaveRL - V
- JAG321 - Rs
- NickA - FG
- nac - CkC
- CMAG - Mg
- uncle tom - Cr
- OJW (Guest of GEAG) - Ni (by adoption)
Current draft of
the placemats.

Re: 1991 Tasting - Monday 9th December - B&F
Posted: 21:05 Thu 11 Jul 2019
by winesecretary
AHB asks to attend, by email, so he is # 3
Re: 1991 Tasting - Monday 9th December - B&F
Posted: 21:09 Thu 11 Jul 2019
by jdaw1
Yes please.
Re: 1991 Tasting - Monday 9th December - B&F
Posted: 23:29 Thu 11 Jul 2019
by flash_uk
Yes please
Re: 1991 Tasting - Monday 9th December - B&F
Posted: 05:53 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by Doggett
Yes please. Have a Ck that I can bring.
Re: 1991 Tasting - Monday 9th December - B&F
Posted: 07:35 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by Alex M
At this range yes please. May I adopt the D or G from you GEAG?
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 09:37 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by flash_uk
Would it just be ‘91s or would this extend to the ‘92s that Fladgate declared? I have F92 I could bring.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 10:13 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by CPR 1
Yes please, I will have a look to see which 91 I can contribute. But off the top of my head I have G,W, and Tv.
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Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 12:07 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by Alex Bridgeman
In my email I promised I would let you know what I had from 1991.
Reasonably accessible I have Gould Campbell, Morgan, Vesuvio and Warre.
Let me know which of these you'd prefer me to contribute.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 17:29 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by winesecretary
@ Doggett: Ck we already have, but there will be further opportunity for adoptions idc...
@ Alex M: G confirmed (adoption)
@ flash_uk: Just 1991s for this tasting, AHB is planning a 91 vs 92 separately. [There will also likely be a 1992 horizontal tasting next year, for the same reason as this one, I think the only 92 I currently have is T...]
@ CPR 1: Tv please
@ AHB: GC please
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 19:05 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by idj123
Yes please although at this point in time I don't know if I have any 91 to offer.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 19:26 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by DaveRL
Yes please. I will check which 1991s I have to hand, or easily available. Thanks.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 20:30 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by DaveRL
I have Vesuvio here, and Warre relatively easily available.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 21:08 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by winesecretary
@idj123 On the list.
@DaveRL On the list. Vesuvio please!
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 22:01 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by JAG321
I would like to attend please. Quinta da la Rosa 1991
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 22:11 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by jdaw1
winesecretary wrote: ↑21:04 Thu 11 Jul 2019on Monday 9th December 2019 in the Red Room at the B&F
Are you aware that on Mondays the B&F closes at 10pm; on other weekdays at 11pm. If you were not so aware, please allow a suggestion that this be moved forward one day, to Tuesday 10
th December 2019.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 22:41 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by winesecretary
I was so aware; the (I accept excessively wordy) initial post mentions the issue. The rationale for the Monday is in fact multifold (i) as noted in that first post, we might get to take a glass home for mature consideration (ii) a Monday night was one when the B&F, despite it being 'Christmas Party Season' did not discernibly blench at the prospect of (a) TPF turning up (b) providing 200-odd white wine glasses for us to play with from 5pm (there is a lunch booking in the Red Room until then); (iii) tertiary but not irrelevant reason- my guest is already booked to fly back to the US on Tuesday 10th December, for non-port-related reasons...
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 22:51 Fri 12 Jul 2019
by winesecretary
@JAG321: you, and your Rs (thank you) added.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 00:10 Sat 13 Jul 2019
by jdaw1
winesecretary wrote: ↑22:41 Fri 12 Jul 2019initial post mentions the issue.
Mea culpa.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 10:38 Sun 14 Jul 2019
by winesecretary
Non tibi cura sit
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 18:55 Thu 18 Jul 2019
by NickA
Hi guys,
Could you put me down too please?
I could offer Fonseca or Taylors, assuming these Qunitas are acceptable?
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 06:58 Fri 19 Jul 2019
by winesecretary
@NickA - I will, and yes please - perhaps one of FG or FP (I think both were produced in 1991), since we already have Tv and the TTF is pretty hard to find so fails the 'reasonably available' test. Let me know which of FG and FP you intend to bring.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 11:29 Fri 19 Jul 2019
by PhilW
Please put me down as (very) tentative.
Have W91, and my spreadsheet says I still have a bottle of Morgan '91, though I'm not convinced I do...
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 19:35 Tue 23 Jul 2019
by forest26
Probably if space available
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 22:13 Thu 25 Jul 2019
by nac
If not already full, yes please.
I have Warre and Cockburn Quinta dos Canais.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 07:47 Sun 28 Jul 2019
by NickA
Thx. It's the FG. Cheers
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 10:21 Tue 30 Jul 2019
by winesecretary
@forest26 - on the list
@nac - first reserve, but statistically extremely likely to be promoted idc - so I would be most grateful if you could diarise and reserve a bottle of CkC for us
@NickA - thanks, first post updated to FG
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 15:42 Tue 30 Jul 2019
by nac
winesecretary wrote: ↑10:21 Tue 30 Jul 2019
@nac - first reserve, but statistically extremely likely to be promoted idc - so I would be most grateful if you could diarise and reserve a bottle of CkC for us
Diarised and reserved.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 21:29 Mon 07 Oct 2019
by Alex Bridgeman
My bottle of GC91 was left at the Boot & Flogger this evening.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 22:52 Sun 13 Oct 2019
by Christopher
Can I go on the reserve list. Sorry I missed this when it came out
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 18:47 Mon 14 Oct 2019
by winesecretary
@ AHB - Thank you, that should allow enough standing time!
@ Christopher - Second reserve, pencil it in your diary...
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 10:22 Tue 15 Oct 2019
by flash_uk
Charles - have you got any other '91s? the only one I have is TV...
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 17:00 Tue 15 Oct 2019
by Alex M
It is with great regret that i'm going to have to withdraw from this tasting. Work commitments prevent my attendance. Have a great evening!
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 18:00 Tue 15 Oct 2019
by winesecretary
@ Alex M - sorry to hear that, we will raise an appropriately charged glass
@ nac - promoted to attendee list
@ Christopher - first reserve, statistically highly likely to be attending
@ all - I now have a couple of bottles (G, CK) for adoption if need be.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 19:21 Tue 15 Oct 2019
by CPR 1
flash_uk wrote: ↑10:22 Tue 15 Oct 2019
Charles - have you got any other '91s? the only one I have is TV...
Ok following other changes I will bring the G91 and you can bring the Tv 91 Mike
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 19:49 Tue 15 Oct 2019
by idj123
I will be bringing a SW to this tasting if that is acceptable?
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 19:50 Tue 15 Oct 2019
by flash_uk
CPR 1 wrote: ↑19:21 Tue 15 Oct 2019
flash_uk wrote: ↑10:22 Tue 15 Oct 2019
Charles - have you got any other '91s? the only one I have is TV...
Ok following other changes I will bring the G91 and you can bring the Tv 91 Mike
Splendid. Many thanks.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 19:03 Wed 16 Oct 2019
by winesecretary
@ idj123 - splendid, I was hoping someone would have that
@ flash_uk - will update first post, thank you
@ CPR1 - will update first post, thank you
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 19:07 Wed 16 Oct 2019
by winesecretary
@ Doggett - if you would be kind enough to bring your earlier-proffered Ck, thank you, I shall hold mine back.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 16:55 Tue 12 Nov 2019
by uncle tom
Please add me to the reserves.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 19:06 Tue 12 Nov 2019
by PhilW
I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to make the 9th Dec in London, so please open up my space to a reserve; thanks.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 20:49 Tue 12 Nov 2019
by forest26
Hi
Looking at what I have
NN
W
Ni
Cr
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 22:34 Thu 14 Nov 2019
by winesecretary
@ uncle tom - super, you are now first reserve because
@ PhilW - I am sorry you will not be able to attend, I appreciate the long notice
@ forest26 - great, Ni please!
@ CMAG - you and your Mg are in
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 11:23 Fri 15 Nov 2019
by Doggett
I am afraid I will no longer be able to make this tasting. I hope Tom will be able to join you and have a bottle that will replace de mine.
I look forward to reading the notes on this interesting vintage comparison.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 17:29 Sat 16 Nov 2019
by winesecretary
@ Doggett - I am sorry you will not be able to attend, I appreciate the long notice
@ uncle tom - you are now in
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 09:47 Sat 23 Nov 2019
by uncle tom
Put me down for bringing the Croft
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 19:10 Sun 24 Nov 2019
by forest26
Sorry - Looks like I cannot escape work on 9th. Please pass my place over.
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 22:25 Sun 24 Nov 2019
by winesecretary
@ forest26 - sorry to hear you can't make it, thank you for the long notice
@ uncle tom - Croft it is!
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 13:06 Fri 29 Nov 2019
by jdaw1
Apologies, I haven’t been attentive to this.
Draft of placemats now made. Doubtless corrections to follow.
Problem: I need to adopt, and can’t afford the Nacional. Please, does anybody have something I could adopt that isn’t already being brought (so not D, G, W, V, SW, GC, CkC, Mg, TV, FG, Cr, Rs, nor Ni)?
Re: 1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F
Posted: 13:52 Fri 29 Nov 2019
by uncle tom
The only adoptee I can offer to add to the list (without broaching an owc) is the Noval. This went through a really awkward phase, but my most recent notes (10/13, 8/16, 10/17) show a clear pattern of improvement