1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F

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1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F

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I have only very rarely tasted 1991s but, when I have, I have felt that it has perhaps got slightly worse press as a vintage than it deserves.

To assess this theory we will taste 1991s on Monday 9th December 2019 in the Red Room at the B&F, 1800 for 1830. At uncle tom's request, I clarify that TPF'ers attending are requested to double-decant the wine they are bringing no later than 1830 on Sunday 8th and leave it to breathe overnight.

My original intention was to make this tasting single blind but I have eventually concluded that trying to decide which wine is which may be a distraction from trying to decide which wine is best. So, sighted it is.

Since the B&F closes at 1000 on Mondays, we might each be able to take home a spare glass or two from our respective bottles for contemplation the following day, especially since we will be tasting 16 wines.

I shall aim to arrive about 1715 to start checking glasses and pouring the first few out. I shall attempt to print placemats, and will send out a distress call if I fail.

Please let me know by PM if you don't want your standard food order by Wednesday 1200, as I will file it Wednesday afternoon.
  1. GEAG - NN & W & Ck
  2. DR (Guest of GEAG) - D (by adoption)
  3. AHB - GC
  4. JDAW - N (adopted from Tom)
  5. flash_uk - Tv
  6. CSD - G (by adoption from GEAG)
  7. idj123 - SW
  8. DaveRL - V
  9. JAG321 - Rs
  10. NickA - FG
  11. nac - CkC
  12. CMAG - Mg
  13. uncle tom - Cr
  14. OJW (Guest of GEAG) - Ni (by adoption)

Current draft of the placemats.
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AHB asks to attend, by email, so he is # 3
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Yes please.
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Yes please
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Yes please. Have a Ck that I can bring.
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At this range yes please. May I adopt the D or G from you GEAG?
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Would it just be ‘91s or would this extend to the ‘92s that Fladgate declared? I have F92 I could bring.
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Yes please, I will have a look to see which 91 I can contribute. But off the top of my head I have G,W, and Tv.

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In my email I promised I would let you know what I had from 1991.

Reasonably accessible I have Gould Campbell, Morgan, Vesuvio and Warre.

Let me know which of these you'd prefer me to contribute.
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@ Doggett: Ck we already have, but there will be further opportunity for adoptions idc...

@ Alex M: G confirmed (adoption)

@ flash_uk: Just 1991s for this tasting, AHB is planning a 91 vs 92 separately. [There will also likely be a 1992 horizontal tasting next year, for the same reason as this one, I think the only 92 I currently have is T...]

@ CPR 1: Tv please

@ AHB: GC please
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Yes please although at this point in time I don't know if I have any 91 to offer.
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Yes please. I will check which 1991s I have to hand, or easily available. Thanks.
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I have Vesuvio here, and Warre relatively easily available.
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@idj123 On the list.

@DaveRL On the list. Vesuvio please!
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I would like to attend please. Quinta da la Rosa 1991
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winesecretary wrote: 21:04 Thu 11 Jul 2019on Monday 9th December 2019 in the Red Room at the B&F
Are you aware that on Mondays the B&F closes at 10pm; on other weekdays at 11pm. If you were not so aware, please allow a suggestion that this be moved forward one day, to Tuesday 10th December 2019.
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I was so aware; the (I accept excessively wordy) initial post mentions the issue. The rationale for the Monday is in fact multifold (i) as noted in that first post, we might get to take a glass home for mature consideration (ii) a Monday night was one when the B&F, despite it being 'Christmas Party Season' did not discernibly blench at the prospect of (a) TPF turning up (b) providing 200-odd white wine glasses for us to play with from 5pm (there is a lunch booking in the Red Room until then); (iii) tertiary but not irrelevant reason- my guest is already booked to fly back to the US on Tuesday 10th December, for non-port-related reasons...
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@JAG321: you, and your Rs (thank you) added.
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winesecretary wrote: 22:41 Fri 12 Jul 2019initial post mentions the issue.
Mea culpa.
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Non tibi cura sit
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Hi guys,
Could you put me down too please?
I could offer Fonseca or Taylors, assuming these Qunitas are acceptable?
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@NickA - I will, and yes please - perhaps one of FG or FP (I think both were produced in 1991), since we already have Tv and the TTF is pretty hard to find so fails the 'reasonably available' test. Let me know which of FG and FP you intend to bring.
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Please put me down as (very) tentative.
Have W91, and my spreadsheet says I still have a bottle of Morgan '91, though I'm not convinced I do...
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Probably if space available
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If not already full, yes please.

I have Warre and Cockburn Quinta dos Canais.
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Thx. It's the FG. Cheers
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@forest26 - on the list
@nac - first reserve, but statistically extremely likely to be promoted idc - so I would be most grateful if you could diarise and reserve a bottle of CkC for us
@NickA - thanks, first post updated to FG
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winesecretary wrote: 10:21 Tue 30 Jul 2019 @nac - first reserve, but statistically extremely likely to be promoted idc - so I would be most grateful if you could diarise and reserve a bottle of CkC for us
Diarised and reserved.
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My bottle of GC91 was left at the Boot & Flogger this evening.
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Can I go on the reserve list. Sorry I missed this when it came out
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@ AHB - Thank you, that should allow enough standing time!
@ Christopher - Second reserve, pencil it in your diary...
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Charles - have you got any other '91s? the only one I have is TV...
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It is with great regret that i'm going to have to withdraw from this tasting. Work commitments prevent my attendance. Have a great evening!
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@ Alex M - sorry to hear that, we will raise an appropriately charged glass
@ nac - promoted to attendee list
@ Christopher - first reserve, statistically highly likely to be attending

@ all - I now have a couple of bottles (G, CK) for adoption if need be.
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flash_uk wrote: 10:22 Tue 15 Oct 2019 Charles - have you got any other '91s? the only one I have is TV...
Ok following other changes I will bring the G91 and you can bring the Tv 91 Mike
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I will be bringing a SW to this tasting if that is acceptable?
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CPR 1 wrote: 19:21 Tue 15 Oct 2019
flash_uk wrote: 10:22 Tue 15 Oct 2019 Charles - have you got any other '91s? the only one I have is TV...
Ok following other changes I will bring the G91 and you can bring the Tv 91 Mike
Splendid. Many thanks.
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@ idj123 - splendid, I was hoping someone would have that
@ flash_uk - will update first post, thank you
@ CPR1 - will update first post, thank you
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@ Doggett - if you would be kind enough to bring your earlier-proffered Ck, thank you, I shall hold mine back.
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Please add me to the reserves.
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I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to make the 9th Dec in London, so please open up my space to a reserve; thanks.
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Hi
Looking at what I have
NN
W
Ni
Cr
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@ uncle tom - super, you are now first reserve because
@ PhilW - I am sorry you will not be able to attend, I appreciate the long notice
@ forest26 - great, Ni please!
@ CMAG - you and your Mg are in
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I am afraid I will no longer be able to make this tasting. I hope Tom will be able to join you and have a bottle that will replace de mine.
I look forward to reading the notes on this interesting vintage comparison.
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@ Doggett - I am sorry you will not be able to attend, I appreciate the long notice
@ uncle tom - you are now in
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Put me down for bringing the Croft
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Sorry - Looks like I cannot escape work on 9th. Please pass my place over.
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@ forest26 - sorry to hear you can't make it, thank you for the long notice
@ uncle tom - Croft it is!
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Apologies, I haven’t been attentive to this.

Draft of placemats now made. Doubtless corrections to follow.

Problem: I need to adopt, and can’t afford the Nacional. Please, does anybody have something I could adopt that isn’t already being brought (so not D, G, W, V, SW, GC, CkC, Mg, TV, FG, Cr, Rs, nor Ni)?
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The only adoptee I can offer to add to the list (without broaching an owc) is the Noval. This went through a really awkward phase, but my most recent notes (10/13, 8/16, 10/17) show a clear pattern of improvement
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