1991 Horizontal Tasting - Monday 9th December 2019 - B&F

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 21:04 Thu 11 Jul 2019

I have only very rarely tasted 1991s but, when I have, I have felt that it has perhaps got slightly worse press as a vintage than it deserves.

To assess this theory we will taste 1991s on Monday 9th December 2019 in the Red Room at the B&F, 1800 for 1830. At uncle tom's request, I clarify that TPF'ers attending are requested to double-decant the wine they are bringing no later than 1830 on Sunday 8th and leave it to breathe overnight.

My original intention was to make this tasting single blind but I have eventually concluded that trying to decide which wine is which may be a distraction from trying to decide which wine is best. So, sighted it is.

Since the B&F closes at 1000 on Mondays, we might each be able to take home a spare glass or two from our respective bottles for contemplation the following day, especially since we will be tasting 16 wines.

I shall aim to arrive about 1715 to start checking glasses and pouring the first few out. I shall attempt to print placemats, and will send out a distress call if I fail.

Please let me know by PM if you don't want your standard food order by Wednesday 1200, as I will file it Wednesday afternoon.

GEAG - NN & W & Ck
DR (Guest of GEAG) - D (by adoption)
AHB - GC
JDAW - N (adopted from Tom)
flash_uk - Tv
CSD - G (by adoption from GEAG)
idj123 - SW
DaveRL - V
JAG321 - Rs
NickA - FG
nac - CkC
CMAG - Mg
uncle tom - Cr
OJW (Guest of GEAG) - Ni (by adoption)

Current draft of the placemats.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 21:05 Thu 11 Jul 2019

AHB asks to attend, by email, so he is # 3

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:09 Thu 11 Jul 2019

Yes please.

Post by **flash_uk** » 23:29 Thu 11 Jul 2019

Yes please

Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » 05:53 Fri 12 Jul 2019

Yes please. Have a Ck that I can bring.

Alex M · Post by **Alex M** » 07:35 Fri 12 Jul 2019

At this range yes please. May I adopt the D or G from you GEAG?

Post by **flash_uk** » 09:37 Fri 12 Jul 2019

Would it just be ‘91s or would this extend to the ‘92s that Fladgate declared? I have F92 I could bring.

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 10:13 Fri 12 Jul 2019

Yes please, I will have a look to see which 91 I can contribute. But off the top of my head I have G,W, and Tv.

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Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 12:07 Fri 12 Jul 2019

In my email I promised I would let you know what I had from 1991.

Reasonably accessible I have Gould Campbell, Morgan, Vesuvio and Warre.

Let me know which of these you'd prefer me to contribute.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 17:29 Fri 12 Jul 2019

@ Doggett: Ck we already have, but there will be further opportunity for adoptions idc...

@ Alex M: G confirmed (adoption)

@ flash_uk: Just 1991s for this tasting, AHB is planning a 91 vs 92 separately. [There will also likely be a 1992 horizontal tasting next year, for the same reason as this one, I think the only 92 I currently have is T...]

@ CPR 1: Tv please

@ AHB: GC please

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 19:05 Fri 12 Jul 2019

Yes please although at this point in time I don't know if I have any 91 to offer.

DaveRL · Post by **DaveRL** » 19:26 Fri 12 Jul 2019

Yes please. I will check which 1991s I have to hand, or easily available. Thanks.

DaveRL · Post by **DaveRL** » 20:30 Fri 12 Jul 2019

I have Vesuvio here, and Warre relatively easily available.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 21:08 Fri 12 Jul 2019

@idj123 On the list.

@DaveRL On the list. Vesuvio please!

JAG321 · Post by **JAG321** » 22:01 Fri 12 Jul 2019

I would like to attend please. Quinta da la Rosa 1991

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:11 Fri 12 Jul 2019

winesecretary wrote: ↑21:04 Thu 11 Jul 2019on Monday 9th December 2019 in the Red Room at the B&F

Are you aware that on Mondays the B&F closes at 10pm; on other weekdays at 11pm. If you were not so aware, please allow a suggestion that this be moved forward one day, to Tuesday 10^th December 2019.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 22:41 Fri 12 Jul 2019

I was so aware; the (I accept excessively wordy) initial post mentions the issue. The rationale for the Monday is in fact multifold (i) as noted in that first post, we might get to take a glass home for mature consideration (ii) a Monday night was one when the B&F, despite it being 'Christmas Party Season' did not discernibly blench at the prospect of (a) TPF turning up (b) providing 200-odd white wine glasses for us to play with from 5pm (there is a lunch booking in the Red Room until then); (iii) tertiary but not irrelevant reason- my guest is already booked to fly back to the US on Tuesday 10th December, for non-port-related reasons...

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 22:51 Fri 12 Jul 2019

@JAG321: you, and your Rs (thank you) added.

Post by **jdaw1** » 00:10 Sat 13 Jul 2019

winesecretary wrote: ↑22:41 Fri 12 Jul 2019initial post mentions the issue.

Mea culpa.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 10:38 Sun 14 Jul 2019

Non tibi cura sit

NickA · Post by **NickA** » 18:55 Thu 18 Jul 2019

Hi guys,
Could you put me down too please?
I could offer Fonseca or Taylors, assuming these Qunitas are acceptable?

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 06:58 Fri 19 Jul 2019

@NickA - I will, and yes please - perhaps one of FG or FP (I think both were produced in 1991), since we already have Tv and the TTF is pretty hard to find so fails the 'reasonably available' test. Let me know which of FG and FP you intend to bring.

Post by **PhilW** » 11:29 Fri 19 Jul 2019

Please put me down as (very) tentative.
Have W91, and my spreadsheet says I still have a bottle of Morgan '91, though I'm not convinced I do...

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 19:35 Tue 23 Jul 2019

Probably if space available

nac · Post by **nac** » 22:13 Thu 25 Jul 2019

If not already full, yes please.

I have Warre and Cockburn Quinta dos Canais.

NickA · Post by **NickA** » 07:47 Sun 28 Jul 2019

Thx. It's the FG. Cheers

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 10:21 Tue 30 Jul 2019

@forest26 - on the list
@nac - first reserve, but statistically extremely likely to be promoted idc - so I would be most grateful if you could diarise and reserve a bottle of CkC for us
@NickA - thanks, first post updated to FG

nac · Post by **nac** » 15:42 Tue 30 Jul 2019

winesecretary wrote: ↑10:21 Tue 30 Jul 2019 @nac - first reserve, but statistically extremely likely to be promoted idc - so I would be most grateful if you could diarise and reserve a bottle of CkC for us

Diarised and reserved.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:29 Mon 07 Oct 2019

My bottle of GC91 was left at the Boot & Flogger this evening.

Christopher · Post by **Christopher** » 22:52 Sun 13 Oct 2019

Can I go on the reserve list. Sorry I missed this when it came out

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 18:47 Mon 14 Oct 2019

@ AHB - Thank you, that should allow enough standing time!
@ Christopher - Second reserve, pencil it in your diary...

Post by **flash_uk** » 10:22 Tue 15 Oct 2019

Charles - have you got any other '91s? the only one I have is TV...

Alex M · Post by **Alex M** » 17:00 Tue 15 Oct 2019

It is with great regret that i'm going to have to withdraw from this tasting. Work commitments prevent my attendance. Have a great evening!

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 18:00 Tue 15 Oct 2019

@ Alex M - sorry to hear that, we will raise an appropriately charged glass
@ nac - promoted to attendee list
@ Christopher - first reserve, statistically highly likely to be attending

@ all - I now have a couple of bottles (G, CK) for adoption if need be.

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 19:21 Tue 15 Oct 2019

flash_uk wrote: ↑10:22 Tue 15 Oct 2019 Charles - have you got any other '91s? the only one I have is TV...

Ok following other changes I will bring the G91 and you can bring the Tv 91 Mike

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 19:49 Tue 15 Oct 2019

I will be bringing a SW to this tasting if that is acceptable?

Post by **flash_uk** » 19:50 Tue 15 Oct 2019

CPR 1 wrote: ↑19:21 Tue 15 Oct 2019
flash_uk wrote: ↑10:22 Tue 15 Oct 2019 Charles - have you got any other '91s? the only one I have is TV...
Ok following other changes I will bring the G91 and you can bring the Tv 91 Mike

Splendid. Many thanks.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 19:03 Wed 16 Oct 2019

@ idj123 - splendid, I was hoping someone would have that
@ flash_uk - will update first post, thank you
@ CPR1 - will update first post, thank you

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 19:07 Wed 16 Oct 2019

@ Doggett - if you would be kind enough to bring your earlier-proffered Ck, thank you, I shall hold mine back.

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 16:55 Tue 12 Nov 2019

Please add me to the reserves.

Post by **PhilW** » 19:06 Tue 12 Nov 2019

I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to make the 9th Dec in London, so please open up my space to a reserve; thanks.

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 20:49 Tue 12 Nov 2019

Hi
Looking at what I have
NN
W
Ni
Cr

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 22:34 Thu 14 Nov 2019

@ uncle tom - super, you are now first reserve because
@ PhilW - I am sorry you will not be able to attend, I appreciate the long notice
@ forest26 - great, Ni please!
@ CMAG - you and your Mg are in

Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » 11:23 Fri 15 Nov 2019

I am afraid I will no longer be able to make this tasting. I hope Tom will be able to join you and have a bottle that will replace de mine.
I look forward to reading the notes on this interesting vintage comparison.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 17:29 Sat 16 Nov 2019

@ Doggett - I am sorry you will not be able to attend, I appreciate the long notice
@ uncle tom - you are now in

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 09:47 Sat 23 Nov 2019

Put me down for bringing the Croft

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 19:10 Sun 24 Nov 2019

Sorry - Looks like I cannot escape work on 9th. Please pass my place over.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 22:25 Sun 24 Nov 2019

@ forest26 - sorry to hear you can't make it, thank you for the long notice
@ uncle tom - Croft it is!

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:06 Fri 29 Nov 2019

Apologies, I haven’t been attentive to this.

Draft of placemats now made. Doubtless corrections to follow.

Problem: I need to adopt, and can’t afford the Nacional. Please, does anybody have something I could adopt that isn’t already being brought (so not D, G, W, V, SW, GC, CkC, Mg, TV, FG, Cr, Rs, nor Ni)?

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 13:52 Fri 29 Nov 2019

The only adoptee I can offer to add to the list (without broaching an owc) is the Noval. This went through a really awkward phase, but my most recent notes (10/13, 8/16, 10/17) show a clear pattern of improvement