1980 Horizontal, 20 October 2021, B&F

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 18:40 Mon 03 Feb 2020

1980 vintage horizontal - Red Room at the Boot and Flogger, 1800 for 1830, 20 October 2021

Attendee list and wines list updated as at 16/10/21 15:18

1. GEAG - [Tony's] Croft Roeda, [Julian's] Noval Nacional
2. OJW (Dow)
3. CPR1 (Taylor)
4. uncle_tom (Calem Foz) [Gould Campbell]
5. idj123 (Graham)
6. nac (Warre)
7. M.Charlton (Burmester)
8. HTWH (adopting Niepoort from CPR1)
9. DaveRL (Offley Boa Vista)
10. CMAG (adopting Sandeman from nac)
11. akzy (adopting Smith Woodhouse from uncle_tom)
12. JacobH (adopting Fonseca from GEAG [although actually it's Tony's])

In terms of who we are expecting to turn up with what - all double-decanted earlier in the day, please:

GEAG will turn up with the NN
OJW will turn up with the Dow
CPR1 will turn up with the Taylor and the Niepoort (the Ni for Harry to adopt)
uncle_tom will turn up with the Calem Foz, the Smith Woodhouse and the Gould Campbell (the SW being for akzy to adopt and the GC being a group adoption)
idj123 will turn up with the Graham
nac will turn up with the Warre and the Sandeman (the Sandeman for CMAG to adopt)
M.Charlton will turn up with the Burmester
DaveRL with turn up with the Offley Boa Vista
The Fonseca and the Croft Roeda are already on site

[Earlier arrangement details below]

Additional possibilities:

(i) Borges
(ii) Barros
(iii) Kopke
(iv) Ferreira
(v) Ramos Pinto
(vi) Royal Oporto
(vii) Quarles Harris

Considered as possibilities and for reasons set out put to one side:

(i) BBR (as it is Warre)
(ii) Delaforce Corte (poorly reported)
(iii) Hutchison (poorly reported)
(iv) Real Vinicola (no data)
(v) Real Companhia Velha (no data)

Current drafts of the placemats, the design being based on that of the 1980 horizontal in Leverkusen on 02 March 2012 (pdf, in list, review).

Post by **flash_uk** » 18:57 Mon 03 Feb 2020

Yes please. I have:
CrR
GC
G

Also considering getting some W and D.

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 19:00 Mon 03 Feb 2020

Yes please

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Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » 19:01 Mon 03 Feb 2020

Yes please... I have a Dow to offer

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 19:06 Mon 03 Feb 2020

Yes please

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 19:40 Mon 03 Feb 2020

Yes please.

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:54 Mon 03 Feb 2020

Yes please.

Post by **jdaw1** » 20:01 Mon 03 Feb 2020

TC: did you mean to accept twice? If not, may I — or you — delete one of the duplicates?

nac · Post by **nac** » 20:16 Mon 03 Feb 2020

Yes please. Will have to check what I've got.

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 20:23 Mon 03 Feb 2020

Yes - please delete the duplicate.

I have

Barros
Burmester
Croft Roeda
Kopke
Warre
Dow
Taylor
Fonseca
Niepoort
SW
GC

Let me know what you need (soonish) and I will put them aside.

M.Charlton · Post by **M.Charlton** » 20:30 Mon 03 Feb 2020

Yes please.

hadge · Post by **hadge** » 20:53 Mon 03 Feb 2020

yes please

DaveRL · Post by **DaveRL** » 21:30 Mon 03 Feb 2020

Yes please

Christopher · Post by **Christopher** » 21:36 Mon 03 Feb 2020

Yes please

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 20:30 Tue 04 Feb 2020

I can offer Sandeman, Niepoort, Taylor, Warre and BBR (Warre)

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 18:49 Wed 05 Feb 2020

@forest26 - That is a remarkably extensive list of 1980s. You can, I think, reasonably assume that where someone else has the port then you won't be called upon to provide it for adoption. That still might, as at instant date, leave you supplying Barros, Burmester, Kopke, Fonseca, and Smith Woodhouse but the likelihood is we will chip that list down over the next nine months. Thank you!

akzy · Post by **akzy** » 18:54 Wed 05 Feb 2020

Yes please.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 20:54 Wed 05 Feb 2020

Yes please. I’ll check what I have later.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 21:28 Wed 05 Feb 2020

And we're full. Given the length of time before the event, we can list a number of reserves.

nac · Post by **nac** » 21:57 Wed 05 Feb 2020

nac wrote: ↑20:16 Mon 03 Feb 2020 Yes please. Will have to check what I've got.

Checked and have nothing - pretty sure there was in the past...

Plans afoot for D & W acquisition but suspect that won't help much, so will probably need to adopt.

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 14:22 Fri 07 Feb 2020

I have F, G, W, SW, GC (mag) and QH (mag).

Christopher · Post by **Christopher** » 21:01 Sun 09 Feb 2020

I have Dow and can try and purchase something missing if needed

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 11:09 Tue 11 Feb 2020

@CMAG - thank you. If you are looking in the market, please could you look to pick up one of Borges, Calem Foz, Ferreira, Offley Boa Vista, Quarles Harris or Ramos Pinto?

[We are currently missing from the list the following wines of which I am aware:

1. Borges
2. Calem Foz
3. Delaforce Corte
4. Ferreira
5. Hutcheson
6. Offley Boa Vista
7. Quarles Harris (in bottle; we have been offered a magnum which is extremely generous but which I would prefer to enable the owner to save opening for another occasion)
8. Ramos Pinto
9. Real Vinicola
10. Real Companhia Velha

However we already have 16 16 bottles (plus the magnum, were we to accept it). I consider 18 ideal and 21 an absolute limit. So, pruning ongoing.

(a) I will check with CPR 1 whether the Berry's Own selection is the same blend as the Warre VP and if so I suggest we drop it.
(b) I will check in my own cellar whether the Royal Oporto is a Colheita or not (my cellar diary is unclear) and if it is a Colheita I will drop it. [Checked: The Royal Oporto is a full VP]
(c) The Delaforce Corte and Hutcheson have poor reputations and I propose we ignore them.
(d) Real Vinicola & Real Companhia Velha ports from this vintage I have no data on.]

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 11:55 Tue 11 Feb 2020

I understand BBR is Warre (same blend) capsule and cork say Warre, but BBR label.

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winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 13:03 Tue 11 Feb 2020

Charles, that's prompt, helpful and conclusive. Thank you. I will remove that one from the list. It is thus looking very likely you will be asked to provide the Sandeman.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 17:02 Tue 11 Feb 2020

I have Dow, Gould Campbell (in bond), Graham, Croft Roeda, Taylor and Warre.

I'd quite like an excuse to get the Roeda out of storage...

DaveRL · Post by **DaveRL** » 13:43 Wed 12 Feb 2020

I have Dow, Gould Campbell, Graham, Offley Boa Vista, Smith Woodhouse and Warre.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 18:46 Wed 12 Feb 2020

Each of the below have proffered bottles already in their possession. I would like to enable them to drink some of their 1980s, rather than holding them for a tasting nine months away for which proffered bottles may or may not be required. Accordingly, I set out a provisional requests list below. To those of you who have proffered bottles, the first-named bottles would ideally be provided by you with any other mentioned below proffered for adoption. As others check what they have the need for some of these adoption bottles will fall away.

@ Doggett - please could you bring the Dow
@ idj123 - provisionally, please could you bring the Graham, together with the Warre for adoption by nac
@ flash_uk - provisionally, please could you bring the Gould Campbell
@ AHB - happy to provide you with an excuse; provisionally, please could you bring the Croft Roeda, together with Taylor for adoption by hadge
@ forest26 - provisionally, please could you bring the Barros, together with Burmester, Kopke, Fonseca for adoption
@ CPR1 - provisionally, please could you bring the Sandeman, together with the Niepoort for adoption
@ DaveRL - provisionally, please can you bring the Offley Boa Vista, together with the Smith Woodhouse for adoption by akzy
@ M.Charlton - please could you bring the Burmester.
@ self - bringing Noval Nacional, together with Royal Oporto for adoption (the latter only possibly, if result of check reveals it as a VP)

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 18:47 Wed 12 Feb 2020

Of the other planned attendees:

Professed adopter - nac
No view yet expressed on whether will wish to adopt or whether has one of the wines not yet proffered - jdaw1, M.Charlton, hadge, akzy
CMAG - has shopping list

hadge · Post by **hadge** » 19:32 Wed 12 Feb 2020

please can adopt thanks

akzy · Post by **akzy** » 21:02 Wed 12 Feb 2020

Unfortunately I don't own any 1980. Depending on George's preference for determining the lineup early, I can adopt from someone else or set out on purchasing from the shopping list.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 22:23 Wed 12 Feb 2020

I am more or less agnostic on adoption vs shopping list. Given the number of adoptions possible, I am slightly in favour of attendees being adopters at this point, assuming none of the adoptees get work-crunched nearer the time and have to drop out.

nac · Post by **nac** » 22:23 Wed 12 Feb 2020

winesecretary wrote: ↑18:47 Wed 12 Feb 2020 Of the other planned attendees:

Professed adopter - nac
No view yet expressed on whether will wish to adopt or whether has one of the wines not yet proffered - jdaw1, M.Charlton, hadge, akzy
CMAG - has shopping list

Could I nominally be the Warre adopter? Likely to be buying some shortly, and if so will provide directly. If not, will still adopt...

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 22:27 Wed 12 Feb 2020

@ nac, idj123, may (for the moment) I propose you as suitable adoptive partners. Nominal Warre pairing ensues.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 07:46 Thu 13 Feb 2020

@ hadge, @ akzy, any preference as to which bottle to adopt?

akzy · Post by **akzy** » 09:50 Thu 13 Feb 2020

The SW was drinking very nicely last time I had it. That would be my preference.

Christopher · Post by **Christopher** » 11:17 Thu 13 Feb 2020

Very happy to adopt or if there is a particular port missing from the line up you want I can have a look for it. But sure budget runs to Nacional at current prices I am afraid .

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 13:34 Thu 13 Feb 2020

@ CMAG - Thank you. Please could you hunt for a Quarles Harris (single bottle size?) NN I am bringing.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 15:26 Thu 13 Feb 2020

@akzy, DaveRL, I propose you as suitable adoptive partners such that akzy may adopt the Smith Woodhouse

M.Charlton · Post by **M.Charlton** » 17:35 Thu 13 Feb 2020

I can bring a bottle of Burmester. Else, please could I be listed as an adopter.

hadge · Post by **hadge** » 19:41 Thu 13 Feb 2020

winesecretary wrote: ↑07:46 Thu 13 Feb 2020 @ hadge, @ akzy, any preference as to which bottle to adopt?

I'm happy to adopt whatever helps

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 13:41 Sat 15 Feb 2020

@ M.Charlton - Great, I would be most grateful if you could supply the Burmester

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 13:51 Sat 15 Feb 2020

@ hadge, @ AHB, I propose you as adoptive partners with hadge adopting AHB's Taylor

nac · Post by **nac** » 09:52 Thu 20 Feb 2020

Have just acquired a couple of bottles of QH80, so can supply one of these if CMAG hasn't already found one.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 09:54 Thu 20 Feb 2020

@ nac - Thank you, much appreciated.
@ CMAG - let us know idc whether you would prefer to continue to hunt or to adopt.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 22:06 Wed 26 Feb 2020

Slight finessing after drinking a very good Taylor 80 from jdaw1 last night-

@jdaw1, please bring Taylor, thank you.

@Hadge, @CPR1, may I propose you as adoptive partners with Hadge adopting the Niepoort from CPR1.

@AHB- you may now stand down on the Taylor front and just bring the Croft Roeda.

Christopher · Post by **Christopher** » 23:06 Wed 26 Feb 2020

Thanks NAC would be great to adopt the QH

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 08:29 Thu 27 Feb 2020

@ nac, @CMAG, I propose you as adoptive partners with CMAG adopting nac's Quarles Harris.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:55 Thu 27 Feb 2020

winesecretary wrote: ↑22:06 Wed 26 Feb 2020@jdaw1, please bring Taylor, thank you.

Wilco.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 19:02 Tue 27 Oct 2020

Dear Friends, I have been in intensive discussions over the last couple of days with the B&F about whether there is any way we can make this tasting work on 24th November, but I am afraid the logistics have defeated us. Roll on the vaccine.