Feb 2023: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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Feb 2023: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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This post to hold plans as and when made.

Date: February 2023

Theme: A Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

People:
  1. JDAW;
  2. MC;
  3. BMHR;
  4. SCD;
  5. MPM;
  6. AHB;
  7. TC;
  8. IDJ.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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Recently Alex B. and I tasted GM86 and GM87. We both loved the GM86. Re the GM87, there was disagreement, I thinking it quite junior, Alex preferring it.

This suggests a theme for a tasting: one or two bottles with a Disagreement or a Controversy or a Misunderstanding.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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My misunderstandings in respect of Port often lead to disagreements or controversies. This sounds like the tasting for me!
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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If it involves tasting the GM86 v. GM87 I'm available! I still recall the debate about these two at the Malvedos vertical in 2010. I think both were (or very close to) podium finishes that night.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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Sounds interesting. Please count me in.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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Yes please.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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Yes please
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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If anyone has a bottle of Croft 1869 it should appear at this tasting. I've searched my wine fridge but all of my Croft 1869 appears to have been stolen.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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Yes please
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yes please
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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jdaw1 wrote: 19:06 Fri 03 Jun 2022 This suggests a theme for a tasting: one or two bottles with a Disagreement or a Controversy or a Misunderstanding.
Is this likely to go ahead on 8th Nov?
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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Alas, I will neither be in London on 08 Nov 2022, nor do I possess both GM86 and GM87.

Both can be fixed, though the latter is considerably more likely.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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I would struggle to make this after the tasting of TTF the week before, so I will need to drop out unfortunately.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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nac wrote: 12:07 Wed 28 Sep 2022Is this likely to go ahead on 8th Nov?
It’s a fair question. Room not yet booked. Interest is underwhelming, perhaps because people scorn my theme — it happens — or because people score my date — ditto.

Let’s allow this nudge to encourage people to speak. Maybe we’ll keep the date and the theme. Maybe we’ll keep the date but change the theme. Maybe bin the whole thing.

Do I need to decide now?
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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jdaw1 wrote: 19:41 Thu 29 Sep 2022 Do I need to decide now?
Nope - no rush. It was just in my diary & I was planning around it.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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jdaw1 wrote: 19:41 Thu 29 Sep 2022
nac wrote: 12:07 Wed 28 Sep 2022Is this likely to go ahead on 8th Nov?
It’s a fair question. Room not yet booked. Interest is underwhelming, perhaps because people scorn my theme — it happens — or because people score my date — ditto.

Let’s allow this nudge to encourage people to speak. Maybe we’ll keep the date and the theme. Maybe we’ll keep the date but change the theme. Maybe bin the whole thing.

Do I need to decide now?
Theme is good. Possibly an opportunity to open a couple of 75s? I quite like them; (some) others think they’re generally a bit rubbish.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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Another "controversy" that we've discussed in the past: T85 vs F85. England seems to think that T85 is as good as - or better than - F85. Those of us in the US tend to scoff at the very idea.

I was once served this head-to-head in London and had to admit that it was one of the best T85s that I'd ever had... it was, indeed, on par with or possibly even slightly better than the F85 served at the same time. However, that F85 served was one of the worst (non-flawed) bottles that I'd ever had.

Are we getting duff T85s in the US? Or are you getting duff F85s in England?
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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Duff? Hell no. Both are excellent. Fifteen years ago, the Fonseca trounced the Taylor. Now, well, what to say?, without doubt, nobody could disagree, it’s clear, undoubtedly, testing is necessary.
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Count me in please
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Yes, count me in also.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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I’m sorry, I have taken my eye off the ball here. All private rooms at the B&F are booked. Have we an alternative venue?
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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I can no longer make 8th, have a good tasting.
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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jdaw1 wrote: 14:39 Mon 31 Oct 2022 I’m sorry, I have taken my eye off the ball here. All private rooms at the B&F are booked. Have we an alternative venue?
I could cope with a postponement - quite a lot going on, and coming up to the busy season...
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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I could be back in if a new date was proposed…
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Re: Tue 08 Nov 2022: Disagreement or Controversy or Misunderstanding

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Do we want Jan or Feb?
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