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Hi Everyone,

Date: 1 October 2024.
Where: Boot and Flogger (confirmed).

Many producers have now released tawnies falling into the 50 year old category: let’s try them together.

//List of attendees//

1. MC; (confirmed - Kopke)
2. CLN; (confirmed - Sandeman)
3. NAC; (confirmed - Taylor's, Maynard's, Quevedo white)
4. CPR (confirmed);
5. MSC; (confirmed)
6. OJC. (confirmed)
7. IDJ. (confirmed)
8. ATOPA. (confirmed)

//Reserves//
1. AHB; (Kopke, Kopke white in half)

//Wines for the tasting//
1. Kopke
2. Sandeman
3. Taylor's
4. Poças
5. Dalva
6. Vista Alegre
7. Messias
8. Barão de Vilar
9. Quinta da Devesa
10. Quinta da Devesa white

Current draft of the placemats.



//Old info.//
There is now quite a choice available (see below).

//List of 50 y.o. tawnies//

São Leonardo by Quinta do Mourao - white tawny
São Leonardo by Quinta do Mourao - tawny
Kopke - white tawny
Kopke - tawny
Taylor's - tawny
Sandeman - tawny
Maynard’s - tawny
Messias - tawny
Messias - white
Feuerheerd - tawny
Vista Allegre - tawny
Vista Allegre - white
Vasques de Carvalho - tawny
Quinta do Vallado - tawny
Devesa - tawny
Devesa - white
Quevedo - white
Palmer - tawny
Graham’s - tawny
Butler Nephew - tawny
DR Port - tawny
DR Port - white
Barao de Vilar - tawny
Caves Santa Marta - tawny
Dalva - tawny
Dom Rozes - tawny
Pocas - tawny
Quinta das Carvalhas - tawny
Valriz - tawny
Van Zeller - tawny
Viera da Sousa - tawny
Quinta da Prelada - white
Quinta das Llamelas - white

[[[placeholder for additional bottles which may be uncovered by GlennE/others]]]

Late 2023 sounds good to me… may have to adopt or contribute but have time to find something appropriate.

Count me in! Option A / B prob depends on how many 50s appear, as you say.

Great idea, provided we can get enough of them.
50+ year old VPs we can do more easily, but if we can get a number of the 50 year tawnies together that would be good.

Good idea - count me in. Either option good.

Could it include a few 50yo whites? I have some of the Quevedo.

Quinta do Mourao has a 50 Year Old White, but their Tawny is a 60.
DR has a 50 Year Old White, but it doesn't say "50" on the label just "Very Old White" because it pre-dates the category.
Quinta de Prelada has a 50 Year Old White for sure... I don't know about a Tawny.
Quinta do Portal has a 50 Year Old Tawny but I'm not sure it has been released commercially yet.
Vieira de Sousa has a 50 Year Old White, but as with DR it is only labeled as a "Very Old White" because it pre-dates the new category.

There are no doubt others, but these are the ones that I can remember from my last couple of Port Harvest Tours.

Glenn E. wrote:Quinta do Mourao has a 50 Year Old White, but their Tawny is a 60.

The SL60yt is no longer available, but there is now(ish) an SL50yt as well as the SL50yw, and it is excellent.

I think Palmer and Maynard also have 50yo bottlings. Also interested in attending.

Thanks for the additional info, all. It’s very much looking like we will be able to do option A (including some 50 y.o. white tawnies sounds like a grand idea). I will collate the list of what’s available into the first post once I’m front of a proper computer, rather than my mobile.

Yes please.

I am game

I would like to attend - there are a lot of releases pending so we could put together a strong line-up by the time the date is fixed.

yes please

I’d be interested, too, if there is space.

(An option C could be tawnies that have spent 50 years in the bottle ).

forest26 wrote: ↑18:22 Mon 12 Sep 2022 I would like to attend - there are a lot of releases pending so we could put together a strong line-up by the time the date is fixed.

Suspicions confirmed - excellent news!

Messias is planning, too

Available to taste at this year's Portweinmesse 4 November!

Should be a very nice tasting...

I have seen photographic evidence that Butler Nephew has a new 50 Year Old Tawny Port, too.

By the time of your tasting, Symington and Rozes should have bottled, too...

Axel P wrote: ↑19:18 Tue 04 Oct 2022 By the time of your tasting, Symington and Rozes should have bottled, too...

Outstanding - thanks for the note, Axel.

Time and space permitting, yes please.


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I'm now aware of 12 bottlings (the first post has been edited to list them). If I've missed some, please let me know.

Also, does anyone know if we are to expect releases from any of the other houses anytime soon?

Quite keen on this

Add
Devesa 50 tawny and White
Quevedo 50 year white
Palmer 50

anyone with stocks of Tawny will join the bandwagon

Need to check a couple of the bottles listed as they may be same but rebranded

forest26 wrote: ↑20:52 Fri 12 May 2023 Quite keen on this

Add
Devesa 50 tawny and White
Quevedo 50 year white
Palmer 50

anyone with stocks of Tawny will join the bandwagon

Need to check a couple of the bottles listed as they may be same but rebranded

Excellent, thanks Tony.

Now SFE have released, it’s time to get a date in the diary for this! How about 1 October 2024?

M.Charlton wrote: ↑10:16 Fri 03 May 2024 Now SFE have released, it’s time to get a date in the diary for this! How about 1 October 2024?

OK with me.

M.Charlton wrote: ↑12:56 Mon 08 May 2023 I'm now aware of 12 bottlings (the first post has been edited to list them). If I've missed some, please let me know.

Also, does anyone know if we are to expect releases from any of the other houses anytime soon?

This one is not on your list.

Glenn E. wrote: ↑15:47 Tue 27 Sep 2022 I have seen photographic evidence that Butler Nephew has a new 50 Year Old Tawny Port, too.

DR has both (50 White and 50 Tawny).
Quinta de Prelada has a 50 Year Old White for sure... I still don't know about a Tawny. I tasted the white at LaDo.
Vieira de Sousa has both.

These are all Ports that I've tasted from "50 Year Old" bottles so I know that they exist. I also know that Quinta do Portal has a 50 Tawny, but as I mentioned before I am (still) not sure it has been commercially released. If it has not already been released, it likely won't be now that Taylor has bought them. I'll see what I can find out during my upcoming trip to Porto.

Rozes has a tawny called "Dom Rozes" which can be seen on winesearcher.com

I'd be pretty surprised if Quinta das Lamelas does not also have both, considering their stocks and their Master Blender, but I have not actually seen either yet. I'm hoping to visit LaDo on this upcoming trip so will get all the scoop that I can while there.

M.Charlton wrote: ↑10:16 Fri 03 May 2024 Now SFE have released, it’s time to get a date in the diary for this! How about 1 October 2024?

No objections here...

M.Charlton wrote: ↑10:16 Fri 03 May 2024 Now SFE have released, it’s time to get a date in the diary for this! How about 1 October 2024?

good for me too.

This looks like fun ... May I join in please ?

Glenn E. wrote: ↑16:37 Fri 03 May 2024 DR has both (50 White and 50 Tawny).

These I happen to have on hand, so here's photographic evidence for you.

I currently have Kopke 50YO Tawny and Kopke 50YO White, although both are at risk of being drunk.

Everything else I had, has been drunk.

mcoulson wrote: ↑17:52 Sat 04 May 2024 This looks like fun ... May I join in please ?

Of course!

Glenn E. wrote: ↑18:12 Sat 04 May 2024

Glenn E. wrote: ↑16:37 Fri 03 May 2024 DR has both (50 White and 50 Tawny).

These I happen to have on hand, so here's photographic evidence for you.
2024-05-04 08.37.10.jpg

Thank you, Glenn. My research into 50 yo tawnies was sidelined during my brief trip to Porto a couple of weeks ago. It’d be interesting to see if you come across any!

Additional 50yt: Barao de Vilar, Caves Santa Marta, Dalva, Dom Rozes, Pocas, Quinta das Carvalhas, Valriz, Van Zeller, Viera da Sousa
Additional 50yw: Messias, Quinta da Prelada, Quinta das Llamelas, Vista Alegre

PhilW wrote: ↑15:05 Mon 06 May 2024 Additional 50yt: Barao de Vilar, Caves Santa Marta, Dalva, Dom Rozes, Pocas, Quinta das Carvalhas, Valriz, Van Zeller, Viera da Sousa
Additional 50yw: Messias, Quinta da Prelada, Quinta das Llamelas, Vista Alegre

Great - thanks, Phil. There’s certainly quite a bit of choice now!

Crikey - it's mid-August, so I suspect its time to reveal which bottle people are bringing.
I have Kopke tawny and Sandeman tawny.
As this is a relatively new category, I suspect that some may be without a bottle. If so, perhaps I could buy whatever would be the most preferred wines from the list above and we divide the cost up on the night?

I don't have any tawny so I'm very up for that approach.... I leave the choice in your hands ....

I haven't yet drunk my Kopke 50YO Tawny but should let you know that the Kopke 50YO White is in half bottles.

But I am also up for the suggestion of buying in a few 50YO bottles and adding them to the line up.

Sadly, I am no longer able to make this. I shall follow the review and discussion with interest!

My selection is limited to the Taylor "Golden Age" (bt 2022) and Maynards (bt 2023).

Also have the Quevedo White 50yo/1970 (bt 2019?) and the Taylor Single Harvest 1970 (bt 2020).

Apologies, I'm going to have to drop out of this event. enjoy.

Excellent - I have updated the first post with who is coming and what they do/do not have.
We currently have 6 different wines available, with 6 people confirmed - perhaps buy-ins won't be needed, after all!
However, in an attempt to corral the troops, please let me know by 17 September if you want to attend and don't have a bottle. That way, I should be able to get a hold of some before 1 Oct.

With apologies, it is now unlikely that I will be able to attend due to work commitments.

I am confirming - for some reason the 50 year old Tawnies I did have I no longer seem to own! As such I will need to contribute £

M.Charlton wrote: ↑18:04 Sun 01 Sep 2024 Excellent - I have updated the first post with who is coming and what they do/do not have.
We currently have 6 different wines available, with 6 people confirmed - perhaps buy-ins won't be needed, after all!
However, in an attempt to corral the troops, please let me know by 17 September if you want to attend and don't have a bottle. That way, I should be able to get a hold of some before 1 Oct.

I'll be there Michael! Currently have zero 50YO. Have also sent you a PM.

If there is still room at this tasting, I’d like to join please (although currently I would have to adopt).

I'm really sorry Mike, as this is a tasting that I very much wanted to attend, but it now seems unlikely that I'll be able to make it.

Could you drop me from being a confirmed attendee to a reserve please?

Apologies not been on here for a bit and missed the date being set for this which unfortunately I will not be able to make.