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2024: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 18:21 Fri 07 Jun 2024
by jdaw1

Re: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 12:10 Wed 12 Jun 2024
by winesecretary
Thanks to Martin for arranging a most interesting horizontal. Graham, Smith Woodhouse, Gould Campbell (magnum), BBR, Fonseca, Taylor, Niepoort all good. I have a fair bit of Fonseca and Warre and am happy to own them. But the only ones of which I may now buy more are Taylor, Smith Woodhouse, and (if I can find any) Niepoort.

Re: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 12:47 Thu 13 Jun 2024
by nac
Enjoyed this tasting very much and have added my brief notes.

Found that the nose on many of the wines were very muted and took a long time in the glass to evolve.
I wonder if some bottles were under-decanted?

Re: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 15:39 Fri 14 Jun 2024
by Alex Bridgeman
This was a great tasting of 1977 Vintage Ports - none of them stank of TCA. I am coming to the conclusion that my introduction to this vintage 20 years ago was just unfortunate. At one point I was running at a spoilage rate of about 50%. Looking through my tasting notes I can see that now down to 10-15%.

This tasting also led me to a conclusion, that 1977 is just starting to go through a closed phase like 1960 was 15 years ago. Many of the wines were delicious, but a fair number of them were disjointed and out of balance, nothing like as delicious and finessed as they were a couple of years ago.

Maybe, as Neil suggests, some were underdecanted. Or maybe some need a couple of years of slumber to wake up with a clear vision of what they want to be.

Re: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 19:12 Sat 15 Jun 2024
by jdaw1
That was a very interesting tasting. Thank you for inviting me.

Several broad observations.
• There is much very drinkable Port in the 1977.
• But greats, to be wistfully recalled aeons later, not so much. Indeed, not at all.
• F77 used to be a great. It was the biggest of this vintage, and of the of the near-sequences of Fonseca stunners: ’63, ’66, ’70, ’77, ’85. Where did it go?

I am very pleased to have attended.

Re: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 20:54 Sat 15 Jun 2024
by jdaw1
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Re: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 15:52 Wed 19 Jun 2024
by flash_uk
Many thanks to Martin for the organisation and efforts on the night. What to take away?
- the ports are mature (nothing wrong with that!)
- the evening served as a reminder to me that '77 is not anywhere near as deep as '70, neither in declarations, nor in ports that reliably perform well
- on this occasion, some of the big boys were not on best form

As Alex has noted above, perhaps some of these are in a slumber? Let's see in 3-4 years from now. Perhaps the better ports will settle into an elegant and graceful place.

Re: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 19:41 Wed 19 Jun 2024
by rich_n
Thanks to Martin for organising, and for the chance to try a broad range of very enjoyable wines. Certainly the most enlightening mature port tasting of my relatively fledgeling career! I'm fascinated to hear that many thought this might be a slight lull in the 77s as I was impressed, but I would be delighted if true as I've already acquired a case of Graham '77 and will be keeping an eye out for more across several of these houses.

Re: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 20:32 Wed 19 Jun 2024
by cem
I'd agree with the sentiments here and thank you Martin! I opened eight 1977s in 2021 over a long lockdown weekend (it took me a few days to recover from that I can tell you) and was left underwhelmed though for some unknown reason I didn't open Taylor. Fonseca was the best of them closely followed by SW, GC and Graham.

Perhaps Alex is right and they are in a dumb phase. The F77 I had last year at Panascal was very fine but then it's been stored in Oporto so is likely maturing at a different rate.

Re: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 14:47 Fri 19 Jul 2024
by Christopher
Thanks for arranging Martin, its a lot of work and you did a world class job!. A great evening and some good research done. Enjoyed catching up with old friends and new

I have always avoided this vintage and just have a few bottles of Smith Woodhouse and Gould Campbell plus some of the Tappit Hens ( which are fantastic ). I came out of the tasting with my view confirmed and that money is better spent particularly on current prices on the 1970 vintage. Perhaps a bit broad brush but 70 is just such good value and I think will be going after the 77's in general.

Onwards and upwards

Re: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 22:22 Fri 19 Jul 2024
by flash_uk
Christopher wrote: 14:47 Fri 19 Jul 2024 Perhaps a bit broad brush but 70 is just such good value and I think will be going after the 77's in general....
Tend to agree.

Re: 1977s, B&F, Tue 11 June 2024

Posted: 22:27 Fri 19 Jul 2024
by Glenn E.
Christopher wrote: 14:47 Fri 19 Jul 2024 I came out of the tasting with my view confirmed and that money is better spent particularly on current prices on the 1970 vintage. Perhaps a bit broad brush but 70 is just such good value and I think will be going after the 77's in general.
Yep, get your 1970s while they're still a good value. Based on the cost curves we've seen over the last decade or so for 1963 and 1966, the prices of 1970s are about to start climbing.