Software that makes placemats

[Doggett]

No comments on the software but, without one of the hand raised pork pies from Leeson's of Oakham, the pork pie tasting was simply incomplete.

No comments on the software, but I did three summers and two Christmas holidays working in a pork pie factory if anyone would like to discuss.

[winesecretary]

I am fairly sure we don't want to know...

[jdaw1]

No comments on the software but, without one of the hand raised pork pies from Leeson's of Oakham, the pork pie tasting was simply incomplete.

Reprimand accepted. When the weather is cooler a Leeson Hand Raised Melton Mowbray Pork Pie will be ordered.

[jdaw1]

At a recent tasting the TN sheets looked terrible. Various possibilities need to be tested on multiple printers, as requested in issue 155. If you are willing to use your printer, please read and heed.

[jdaw1]

No comments on the software but, without one of the hand raised pork pies from Leeson's of Oakham, the pork pie tasting was simply incomplete.

Reprimand accepted. When the weather is cooler a Leeson Hand Raised Melton Mowbray Pork Pie will be ordered.

Excellent indeed.

[jdaw1]

I have started drafting a page containing links to other placemats: other software, other instances of placemats. The page is not yet live — this post has the only link to it.

Please let me know of other content that could be added to that draft.

[PhilW]

Please critique or approve.

Tentative approval. A suggestion; when folded, I would expect we will fold at mid of long side first, then the other, such that the created A6-book has the fold at spine, not bottom. Having done this, with the current arrangement we would have 1,2,3 on left, and 5,6,7 on right; 1,2,3 on left and 4,5,6 on right would be preferred.
In other words, on the A4, could we fill in four quarter order, rather than two column? i.e. four quarters with N per quarter filled in order of
1st q, 2nd q
3rd q, 4th q

i.e. for N=3
1 4
2 5
3 6

7 10
8 11
9 12

[jdaw1]

I wanted to fold vertically first, for which parameter TastingNotes_NumVerticalSections needed. Then people can fold horizontally as many or as few times as are need for table space. So, for the 2022 Peculiar Shipper tasting, could fold once horizontally (A6), or thrice (≈ A7).

Please explain the flaws in this intention.

[PhilW]

No flaw in your intention, just a difference of preference. Mine is for A6 book (=A5 open as two-page with centre vertical fold, or A6 folded). Yours provides capability for sub-A6, but at the cost of less optimal A6 book.

[jdaw1]

For the current version of the paperwork of the 2022 Peculiar Shipper tasting, my ordering on the first page is:

1 5
2 6
3 7
4 8

What ordering do you prefer?

[PhilW]

What ordering do you prefer?

1 3
2 4
5 7
6 8

I'm considering it as A6 book, and then parameter tastingNotesPerA6Page, in this case =2. Previous example was =3.

[jdaw1]

Ouch! How does that generalise?

Generalisation would be easy if you had said:
1 2
3 4
5 6
7 8

with which I’d be totally happy.

Generalisation must be over arbitrary numbers of columns and of rows.

[PhilW]

Generalised form:
Page is divided into CxR "cells" with T tasting notes per cell. i.e.
C = Number of columns per sheet
R = Number of rows per sheet (n.b. rows of cells, not tasting note rows)
T = Number of tasting notes per cell

For 8 tasting notes per page, your preference is 2,1,4; mine is 2,2,2
For 12 tasting notes per page, your preference is 2,1,6; mine is 2,2,3
For 16 tasting notes per page, your preference might be 2,1,8; mine is 2,2,4

Essentially I'm doing a matrix of sub-pages within the page, if you prefer to think of it that way. You're define two tall sub-pages, I'm defining four A6 ones.

[jdaw1]

So you want a three-level hierarchy of directions (down then across then down), by dividing into pairs of rows. I think a two-level hierarchy would be more intuitive for most users.

[PhilW]

So you want a three-level hierarchy of directions (down then across then down), by dividing into pairs of rows. I think a two-level hierarchy would be more intuitive for most users.

I think most people would understand "four A6 pages on an A4 sheet" which is all I was looking for; you're right they might less well understand the generic form of CxR pages per sheet, perhaps, especially in non-standard forms. I did avoid asking for the bottom two pages to be 180 rotated so they would be the right way up after folding

[Alex Bridgeman]

Why not just rely on the printer's ability to print in booklet format? Even my very basic inkjet printer can print in A5 booklet format if I am prepared to feed pages back into it.

[jdaw1]

Why not just rely on the printer's ability to print in booklet format? Even my very basic inkjet printer can print in A5 booklet format if I am prepared to feed pages back into it.

I will.

The paper is A4, folded in half. So each apparent page is A5. Should the PDF have A4, or A5? Pls look at manual.

[jdaw1]

Can your printers work with this test?

[nac]

Can your printers work with this test?

Will try when back in the office - probably 5th Jan.