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Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 11:51 Thu 16 Dec 2010
by ACmole

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 12:13 Thu 16 Dec 2010
by uncle tom
This is one of those products that is so nicely done up, no-one wants to take a bottle out and drink it..

..so it hangs around for years until eventually it gets packed off to auction - or eBay..

At a regular wine auction I would expect it so to fetch £180 - £240 + BP

Tom

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 16:42 Thu 16 Dec 2010
by JacobH
uncle tom wrote:At a regular wine auction I would expect it so to fetch £180 - £240 + BP
That seems extremely cheap considering how much a Vesuvio 1989 costs now...

It would make a fun thing to drink at an eight-person tasting, though...

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 17:33 Thu 16 Dec 2010
by uncle tom
That seems extremely cheap considering how much a Vesuvio 1989 costs now...
Some crazy prices do get quoted, but I wouldn't pay more than £25/btl - given the lacklustre TNs..

Tom

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 19:39 Thu 16 Dec 2010
by DRT
uncle tom wrote:This is one of those products that is so nicely done up, no-one wants to take a bottle out and drink it.
Not true. I know a man who has one and is drinking his way through it. The value is in the box, not the port, as it is a beautiful piece of furniture in its own right.
Discussing Vesuvio 1989: uncle tom wrote:Some crazy prices do get quoted, but I wouldn't pay more than £25/btl - given the lacklustre TNs..
I don't think you will find Vesuvio 89 at that price ever again. The value of that port is now more related to it being very rare and the first of the modern Vesuvio era. The price is only going to go in one direction regardless of what it tastes like.

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 19:47 Thu 16 Dec 2010
by g-man
DRT wrote:
uncle tom wrote:This is one of those products that is so nicely done up, no-one wants to take a bottle out and drink it.
Not true. I know a man who has one and is drinking his way through it. The value is in the box, not the port, as it is a beautiful piece of furniture in its own right.
Can't the statement also be restated as
"I know of only one man who has one and is drinking his way through it?"

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 21:37 Thu 16 Dec 2010
by DRT
g-man wrote:Can't the statement also be restated as
"I know of only one man who has one and is drinking his way through it?"
Or, "100% of the people I know who have one of these are drinking their way through it." :D

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 21:57 Thu 16 Dec 2010
by g-man
DRT wrote:
g-man wrote:Can't the statement also be restated as
"I know of only one man who has one and is drinking his way through it?"
Or, "100% of the people I know who have one of these are drinking their way through it." :D
but would the same be true if the statement were
"100% of all the people who know that I know of only one man who have one of these are drinking their way through it."

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 23:51 Thu 16 Dec 2010
by Glenn E.
The thread title could easily be:

"Partial Vesuvio vertical, £40/bottle. Mandatory purchase of furniture-grade case, £480 additional."

The actual title is much shorter and easier to type.

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 01:30 Fri 17 Dec 2010
by uncle tom
I don't think you will find Vesuvio 89 at that price ever again.
Hmm.. I thought I was being generous at £25 - my one and only bottle cost me a princely £13.27

- mind you, that was all of two years ago!

Seriously though, we do seem to be getting into the grip of a wine buying bubble..

- and it's happened before, in the seventies, when interest rates fell below the rate of inflation - sound familiar?

When the seventies fad for alternative investments came to an end there was the mother of all crashes. Broadbent recalls selling first growths in 100 case lots without reserve, as assets were liquidated..

One of the wiser investment mantras notes that bubbles don't burst when sane rational people think they should..

..they burst when sane rational people no longer think there is a bubble.

Are we there yet..?

- Maybe..

Tom

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 02:26 Fri 17 Dec 2010
by Andy Velebil
DRT wrote:
Discussing Vesuvio 1989: uncle tom wrote:Some crazy prices do get quoted, but I wouldn't pay more than £25/btl - given the lacklustre TNs..
I don't think you will find Vesuvio 89 at that price ever again. The value of that port is now more related to it being very rare and the first of the modern Vesuvio era. The price is only going to go in one direction regardless of what it tastes like.
This can normally be found here in the States for around the $40-60 a bottle mark. But it has been increasingly hard to find the past couple of years, though the price seems to stay about the same. I assume the relatively low scores, for a Vesuvio, recieved from reviewers hasn't pushed its value into the stratosphere yet.

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 10:57 Fri 17 Dec 2010
by DRT
uncle tom wrote:Hmm.. I thought I was being generous at £25 - my one and only bottle cost me a princely £13.27
Andy Velebil wrote:This can normally be found here in the States for around the $40-60 a bottle mark. But it has been increasingly hard to find the past couple of years, though the price seems to stay about the same. I assume the relatively low scores, for a Vesuvio, recieved from reviewers hasn't pushed its value into the stratosphere yet.
The current worldwide low price for this on wine searcher is £70.04 per bottle excluding tax. Please let us know when these £13.27/$40 bottles become available so that we can snap them all up :wink:

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 15:02 Fri 17 Dec 2010
by ACmole
The value is in the box, not the port, as it is a beautiful piece of furniture in its own right.
If anyone wants to buy this as a piece of furniture, I would be happy to empty it out for them for a nominal fee....

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 15:30 Fri 17 Dec 2010
by Andy Velebil
DRT wrote: The current worldwide low price for this on wine searcher is £70.04 per bottle excluding tax. Please let us know when these £13.27/$40 bottles become available so that we can snap them all up :wink:
from our end add sales tax, export tax, packaging, and shipping, then on your end import taxes, duty, delievery, and Saint Nick's cut and that bottle will now be £230 :lol:

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 13:24 Sat 18 Dec 2010
by JacobH
ACmole wrote:
The value is in the box, not the port, as it is a beautiful piece of furniture in its own right.
If anyone wants to buy this as a piece of furniture, I would be happy to empty it out for them for a nominal fee....
What bothers me about this is what you would do with the box once it was empty (aside from storing the empty bottles in it or buying another set to fill it!). I suppose I could use it for storing Flageolets but storage of them may not be a common concern...

I think it would be a nicer product if it had a clear secondary use. For example, could they have made the top slightly sloping so it could be a writing desk? Or included a second set of inserts so that it could be used as a canteen?

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 22:02 Wed 22 Dec 2010
by mosesbotbol
I'd be afraid to break that up, but I have been afraid to drink from any of my Vesuvio cases. Damn them for such nice packaging. Only when I get a double case of loose bottles will get to enjoy my Vesuvio.

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 22:45 Wed 22 Dec 2010
by DRT
mosesbotbol wrote:I'd be afraid to break that up, but I have been afraid to drink from any of my Vesuvio cases. Damn them for such nice packaging. Only when I get a double case of loose bottles will get to enjoy my Vesuvio.
Moses,

Breaking your first case of Vesuvio is very much like losing your virginity. Once you've done it you'll never look back and will be more than happy to do it again :wink:

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 11:31 Thu 23 Dec 2010
by uncle tom
I'd be afraid to break that up
Why? It makes great kindling! :D

I've yet to find a constructive use for those little pottery bin tags though..

Tom

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 14:00 Fri 24 Dec 2010
by mosesbotbol
DRT wrote:
mosesbotbol wrote:I'd be afraid to break that up, but I have been afraid to drink from any of my Vesuvio cases. Damn them for such nice packaging. Only when I get a double case of loose bottles will get to enjoy my Vesuvio.
Moses,

Breaking your first case of Vesuvio is very much like losing your virginity. Once you've done it you'll never look back and will be more than happy to do it again :wink:
I am still a virgin, go figure... :oops: :crying:

Just kidding, those know me know I am a :twisted: :pig:

The oldest case I have 1994, so it's still too early for me to start drinking. I had a few vintages at Vesuvio this October, so I don't feel a need to open them really. I have six pack stack in my cellar with a some RP Duas Quinta Reserve's mixed in.

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 15:58 Fri 24 Dec 2010
by ACmole
I've yet to find a constructive use for those little pottery bin tags though.
I've been displaying them on the dining room wall, next to the shelf of vintage Madeira. Any you want to get rid of, Tom, will happily find a place there!

Alan

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 22:51 Mon 03 Jan 2011
by Alex Bridgeman
Ironically enough, the item seems to have fallen foul of the ebay police and has been expunged from eBay history.

Re: Vesuvio £100 per bottle!

Posted: 11:54 Tue 04 Jan 2011
by JacobH
Odd, since this was one genuine example of a product where the packaging out-weighed the alcoholic content's value...