The London Olympiad Vertical - 1948 - 2012

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It maybe a little early but I thought it may be a good idea to start a thread with a view to organising an Olympic event to be held in 2012.

We could have a vertical tasting of every Olympic year between the two London Olympics 1948-2012.

We obviously cannot achieve this with Vintage Ports only (1956 and 1976 for example) but we can span 60 years giving us 16 wines to taste.

Date now confirmed 25th July 2012. @ 17.30hrs prompt.

Venue now confirmed

The Portuguese Embassy
12 Belgrave Square
London
SW1X 8PP

Attendees:-

1. His Excellency Dr Joao de Vallera
2. Lord Boswell of Aynho
3. Charles Metcalfe
4. Alex W Ellis
5. Roger Bramble
6. Ray Cook
7. Tom Archer
8. Derek Turnbull
9. Wolfgang Starz
10. Ben Read
11. Julian Wiseman
12. Rob Coombes
13. Oscar Quevedo
14. Alex Kilbey
15. Carl Schneider
16. Phil Wakely
17. Giles Wigoder
18. The Right Reverend Graham R James (Bishop of Norwich)
19. Lorenzo Bakewell-Stone
20. Steve Filbey
21. Quentin Archer
22. Oz Clarke


Reserves:

None at present.

11.1.2012 - AHB removed at his request.
Andy Velebil removed at his request.
11.7.2012 - Axel Probst removed at his request
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I'm in!
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Hi there,

I am interested, but would like to suggest not to do this tasting in the summer. I have always the feeling that in the summer vintage ports due to the generally warmer temperatures do not show as well when it is a bit cooler.
I think the only year where it is very difficult to get good ports is from 1956. In 1976 the Fonseca Guimarens is stunning!

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Yes please! Wolfgang, you are right about the weather but personally I think the historic nature of the Olympics dictates a relevant date around the event itself and we plan for the weather not being kind.
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Yes please.

Is it a good idea to be in London any time near the Olympics?
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jdaw1 wrote:Yes please.

Is it a good idea to be in London any time near the Olympics?
It depends if you have tickets or not!
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jdaw1 wrote:Yes please.

Is it a good idea to be in London any time near the Olympics?
We could hold it in the city that thought they had won it I suppose!!
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An idea that might be ridiculous:

If we are to do this properly perhaps we could do it at an Olympic event? Perhaps a modest corporate box would be available in the early rounds of a not very popular event at modest cost? A first round tie between Botswana and the Camen Islands in the Ladies Footlball springs to mind as something that the venue will struggle to fill seats. It is probably beyond hope that we could get a box overlooking the Brazil v Sweden Ladies Beach Volleyball court at reasonable expense.

What do you think?

PS: AHB just texted me to ask us to book him a seat.
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DRT wrote:An idea that might be ridiculous:

If we are to do this properly perhaps we could do it at an Olympic event? Perhaps a modest corporate box would be available in the early rounds of a not very popular event at modest cost? A first round tie between Botswana and the Camen Islands in the Ladies Footlball springs to mind as something that the venue will struggle to fill seats. It is probably beyond hope that we could get a box overlooking the Brazil v Sweden Ladies Beach Volleyball court at reasonable expense.

What do you think?

PS: AHB just texted me to ask us to book him a seat.
That is not a ridiculous idea at all...I think this is a great idea...I am on the list for the first release of tickets in February 2011. I shall make enquiries from there.
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DRT wrote:PS: AHB just texted me to ask us to book him a seat.
Repeated in case it was missed :wink:
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DRT wrote:
DRT wrote:PS: AHB just texted me to ask us to book him a seat.
Repeated in case it was missed :wink:
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I've just mentioned to DRT that there is usually a week of pre-qualification for certain events before the day of the opening ceremony. Corporate boxes for these would probably be very reasonably priced (at least comparatively).
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DRT wrote:It is probably beyond hope that we could get a box overlooking the Brazil v Sweden Ladies Beach Volleyball court at reasonable expense.
AHB wrote:I've just mentioned to DRT that there is usually a week of pre-qualification for certain events before the day of the opening ceremony. Corporate boxes for these would probably be very reasonably priced (at least comparatively).
It is even less likely that Brazil and Sweden will have to pre-qualify :crying:
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I wouldn’t be offended by tickets to Denmark versus Uruguay Women’s Beach Volleyball.

Ladies? In their own right, or because of the husbands’ titles? Women, please. Even the ICC uses the term ‟Women”.
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Is there a risk of airport-style no-liquids security checks? How would we get VP through that?
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jdaw1 wrote:Is there a risk of airport-style no-liquids security checks? How would we get VP through that?
There is a risk of that. Probably even a certainty. But I can't imagine that corporate boxes will be teetotal so the organisers of the boxes would be able to help.
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DRT wrote:Probably even a certainty.
Perhaps definitely.
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DRT wrote:But I can't imagine that corporate boxes will be {unacceptable word} so the organisers of the boxes would be able to help.
I apologise unreservedly for using a word that is taboo on this forum. Luckily the filter that traps expletives did its job and prevented any offense that might have been caused.

For those of an innocent nature who are unable to work out what this foul word is just imagine what a golf ball might sit on followed by the sum of a list of numbers.
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Do you mean that you used the word tea totall?
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AHB wrote:Do you mean that you used the word tea totall?
There is no need for such profanity.
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My apologies. I assumed that the automatic profanity detector would spot my foul and abusive language and remove it before displaying my post.
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AHB wrote:I've just mentioned to DRT that there is usually a week of pre-qualification for certain events before the day of the opening ceremony. Corporate boxes for these would probably be very reasonably priced (at least comparatively).
I have had a communication from the Olympic Organising Comittee and it seems that you are absolutely correct Alex in saying there are a few events that require pre-qualification...one of them being Beach Volleyball held at Horse Guards Parade...the prestigious hospitality is to be held in the officers mess overlooking the parade ground.

There is also prestigious hospitality at Wimbledon for the Tennis (overlooking Centre Court) and the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich for the Archery again in the officers mess.

I am now waiting for my contact to get back to me with prices and the green light to provide our own wine and will report as soon as I know...fingers crossed.
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DRT wrote:
DRT wrote:But I can't imagine that corporate boxes will be {unacceptable word} so the organisers of the boxes would be able to help.
I apologise unreservedly for using a word that is taboo on this forum. Luckily the filter that traps expletives did its job and prevented any offense that might have been caused.

For those of an innocent nature who are unable to work out what this foul word is just imagine what a golf ball might sit on followed by the sum of a list of numbers.
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Cookie wrote:...and the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich for the Archery...
Is it just the pre-qual for the Archery at Woolwich? I had thought that the Archery was being held at Lord's.
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Just had a reply from the 'Olympic Prestigious Hospitality' team and it's.....bad news....they would willingly accomodate us if we were prepared to each part with £795 + VAT...for this you have a buffet meal, open bar and tickets for the event of choice...for the final events the cost is £4800 + VAT per head...

Kind of makes the RAF Club a very reasonable option me thinks.
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Cookie wrote:Just had a reply from the 'Olympic Prestigious Hospitality' team and it's.....bad news....they would willingly accomodate us if we were prepared to each part with £795 + VAT...for this you have a buffet meal, open bar and tickets for the event of choice...for the final events the cost is £4800 + VAT per head...
Oh dear. The split infinitive isn’t even the worst bit of that post. £795 per head, with or without VAT, is too pricey for our purposes.

I still think that there is much merit in avoiding London.
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If we really did want to have this offline at an Olympic event, we could consider one of the events outside London - sailing in Weymouth, rowing in Eton, canoeing and mountain biking in Essex. Find a friendly hotel close to the venue and stay well away from London.
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Or we could hire a huge big house in the country for a weekend for a couple of hundred quid each and have more than one off-line?

For example, I hired Knockbrex Castle for a weekend for my 40th birthday for around £2k. I'm not suggesting we go there (although I wouldn't object if we did) but other similar options will be available.
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Methinks we should book the RAF club - soon! - and make sure we get the room upstairs..

Possible wines (spreading the favours..)

2008 Quevedo

2004 Q. Crasto

2000 Cockburn

1996 Vesuvio

1992 Fonseca

1988 Q. de la Rosa

1984 Warre Cavadinha

1980 Dow

1976 Fonseca Guimaraens

1972 Offley Boa Vista

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1964 Noval Nacional

1960 Croft

1956 [A colheita..]??

1952 Niepoort colheita

1948 Graham

The majority I can supply. I'm conscious of two entries from Fonseca/Guimaraens, and having no Sandeman - all suggestions welcome..

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Shouldn't all the wines be from "British" shippers?
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Hi Tom,

RAF club sounds not bad, but I am not sure. Just to check, has not Cricket become olympic recently?!? If not it is on the brink and we should aim in my yes to have our Olympiade at a cricket game. Firstly we will not get ripped off and secondly they will not be flustered if we consume some port etc. :) :wink:
I fear anything we do is problematic because of the Olympics, hence my idea to go to a relevant event on which we will have an easy cheap entry.
With ports I generally agree but am not sure on the 2004 Crasto. Do not get me wrong but I am very fond of Vale Meao 2004. :D Have you had this yet?
Graham 1948 will be hard to get but should be good.

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Derek,
DRT wrote:Shouldn't all the wines be from "British" shippers?
despite your patriotism (? I thought you are Scottish!) :lol: in a some years this can be hard work e.g. 2008 so far on what I tasted I like Niepoort Pisca, Quevedo, Noval and then Grahams Malvedos very much. I had not the opportunity to try all relevant shippers but i doubt on the first 3 a lot will change. Pisca 2008 is really very good indeed!

Also despite the Warre 1952 was very good, I doubt Tom has another one on his sleeves :cry:

Also where is your Olympic Spirit? Did it get an English drowning? :lol:

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WS1 wrote:Derek,
DRT wrote:Shouldn't all the wines be from "British" shippers?
despite your patriotism (? I thought you are Scottish!) :lol: in a some years this can be hard work e.g. 2008 so far on what I tasted I like Niepoort Pisca, Quevedo, Noval and then Grahams Malvedos very much. I had not the opportunity to try all relevant shippers but i doubt on the first 3 a lot will change. Pisca 2008 is really very good indeed!

Also despite the Warre 1952 was very good, I doubt Tom has another one on his sleeves :cry:

Also where is your Olympic Spirit? Did it get an English drowning? :lol:

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The last time I checked Scotland was still British so I think my patriotism is intact. We could, if you wish, limit it to "British Shippers with Scottish ancestory", but that would be an almost identical list to "British shippers" :wink:

Graham's Malvedos 2008 certainly qualifies.
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In the Olympics we compete as the UK. Which is why we never play Olympic football.
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jdaw1 wrote:In the Olympics we compete as the UK. Which is why we never play Olympic football.
Apologies. Shippers with Northern Irish heritage also qualify.
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DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:In the Olympics we compete as the UK. Which is why we never play Olympic football.
Apologies. Shippers with Northern Irish heritage also qualify.
Actually, I think you will find we compete as "GB" (or "GBR"), much to the irritation of our NI team mates.
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DRT wrote:Shouldn't all the wines be from "British" shippers?
I don't understand why. The Olympics is open to all countries, provided they reach a certain minimum standard. Why should our Olympiad have different participation?
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No Hutcheson then!
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This sounds great, would love to be added to the list. Worth adding a 1908 to commemorate the first time London held the Olympics...?

According to wikipedia, 2012 will be 100 years since GB won gold in Olympic football and the first time a GB-representative team (that I'm sure Derek will be cheering for) has played since '72, so might be a good occasion if it is decided that this will not be held at/near an olympic venue.

If this were organised as a weekend away from London/event centres during the Olympics, I might re-assess as I'm quite looking forward to going to a few events, though fully understand if that's everyone else's preference
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Just by way of an update I have had an interesting discussion regarding a 'very special' venue for this event. I would rather wait for confimation before getting everyone too excited as to the location but I can assure you that if this happens, it will be in very fine surroundings....so for now just watch this space :wink:
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No. Not Buckingham Palace again. Just no.
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jdaw1 wrote:No. Not Buckingham Palace again. Just no.
Close..but no cigar :wink:
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Not Buckingham Palace again
Fear not - but a very interesting venue we've not been to before..

During our recent trip to Porto, Cookie and I were on the look out for Olympic years, with a view to having a different shipper for each..

Provisionally, this should be more or less do-able:

1948 - Graham
1952 - Warre (but hard to find..)
1956 - Niepoort (Dirk has very kindly offered to provide for this most difficult year)
1960 - Croft
1964 - Noval Nacional
1968 - Fonseca Guimaraens
1972 - Sandeman
1976 - Ramos Pinto (large stash spotted in their magnificent bottle store - will need to ask them nicely!)
1980 - Dow
1984 - Calem, Delaforce Corte or Krohn (a difficult year..)
1988 - de la Rosa
1992 - Taylor
1996 - Vesuvio
2000 - Cockburn
2004 - Crasto
2008 - Quevedo

- All suggestions for alterations welcome. I've not found a slot for Offley, nor have I had the chance to explore their bottle store.. If they have any of the difficult years, such as '52, '68 or '84; we could re-arrange to include them (Martinez & Ferreira - ditto..)

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I obviously don't know my travel plans, but if I can make it I will. So place me as "tentative"?
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I have just received a positive reply as to the prestigious venue to be used for this event but the date needs to be confirmed as well as some other details so I will update the position early next week...this is going to be fantastic so make sure you are on the list as we are getting very close to closing it :D :D :D
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Andy Velebil wrote:I obviously don't know my travel plans, but if I can make it I will. So place me as "tentative"?
Upgrade me to coming :)
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Depending on the date, my better half has expressed an interest in attending this tasting. Could I include her as my +1 subject to any fully fledged members of TPF stepping forward in the near future?
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Please put me in.

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AHB wrote:Depending on the date, my better half has expressed an interest in attending this tasting. Could I include her as my +1 subject to any fully fledged members of TPF stepping forward in the near future?
Axel P wrote:Please put me in.
Cookie wrote:Attendees:-

1. Cookie
2. Uncle Tom
3. DRT
4. WS1
5. Ben
6. JDAW
7. AHB
8. RayC
9. KillerB
10.Andy Velebil
11.Oscar Quevedo
12.Guest of Honour
13.Axel
Shouldn't Mrs AHB be on the list? (or is she, as she should be, the Guest of Honour?)
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We are probably looking at a two bottle event here.

I suspect we will have more than one member of the trade present, and one or two other dignitaries should also be allowed for.

Suggest we limit attendance to TPF x 14 + others.

Tom
I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I shall be sober and you will still be ugly - W.S. Churchill
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