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Posted: **18:12 Sat 17 Dec 2011**

Agreed plans.

When: from 18:30 on Monday 16th January 2012.

Location: The Bunghole, 57 High Holborn, London WC1V 6DT, tel 020 7831 8365.

Who:
1. JDAW;
2. AHB;
3. RAYC;
4. WS;
5. DRT;
6. CMAG;
7. BMHR.

Who has what?

DRT: ‟I have Croft 1966, 1975 and 2000. I would prefer not to use the 1966 if others have ample supply.”
RAYC: ‟For Croft, I have 63 (£55) and 66 (£40 i think) and 82 (£35) Croft available. ! I only have one roeda 67, so I'm tempted to withold thaat for a completist or niche event.”
WS: I have plenty of Croft 1982 (20£) and also picked up some 09 Croft the other day . I think both should be included. On the other hand I have only 1 bt of Croft 1960 and would like to keep it for now. Croft 1970 or 1966 can easily come from me”
AHB: ‟I have little Croft readily available. I could offer bottles from 2005 (LBV), 2004 (LBV in halves), 1991, 1967 (Roeda) or 1963. I have other vintages either older or in full case lots in bond.”
JDAW: ‟Inconveniently in Sussex I have one bottle of each of 1963 and 1927.”

Vintages available (pink is a preference to withhold, and semi-pink meaning only one):

1927 (JDAW);
1960 (WS);
1963 (RAYC AHB JDAW);
1966 (WS RAYC DRT);
1967 Roeda (AHB RAYC);
1970 (WS CMAG-magnum);
1975 (DRT);
1982 (WS RAYC);
1991 (AHB);
2000 (DRT CMAG);
2009 (WS).

Posted: **18:12 Sat 17 Dec 2011**

Would any folks need VP in early January 2012?

Candidate dates include Tue 03 Jan, Wed 04 Jan, Mon 09 Jan, Tue 10 Jan, Wed 11 Jan. Preferences?

Venue: perhaps we could test The Bunghole? (Of 57 High Holborn, London WC1V 6DT, tel 020 7831 8365.) Objections?

Theme: how about ‘vintage port, ordinary but nice’?

Posted: **18:24 Sat 17 Dec 2011**

"PRIVATE DINING ROOM / OFFICE SEATING 5/20" might be worth investigating.

I won't know if I will be in London in early Jan until early Jan. Please go ahead and I will join in if I can.

Posted: **19:04 Sat 17 Dec 2011**

DRT wrote:I won't know if I will be in London in early Jan until early Jan.

If there are any dates that are definitely out, say so.

In the thread entitled [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=45318#p45318]The arrival of Wiseman #3 and Wiseman #”“1[/url], jdaw1 wrote:Worthy of mention is the Bunghole of 57 High Holborn WC1V 6DX (â˜Ž +44 20 7831 8365), which has two private rooms (which can seat 4, and 8-10), and, as a backup, the out-of-the-way table 6 around which six could sit. The deputy manageress, Stephanie, seems very helpful.

Posted: **19:17 Sat 17 Dec 2011**

jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:I won't know if I will be in London in early Jan until early Jan.
If there are any dates that are definitely out, say so.

No dates are impossible at the moment.

Posted: **16:29 Sun 18 Dec 2011**

No certainty I will be able to make 9th, 10th or 11th but more certain I would not make week before. If 9th, 10th or 11th I will do my best. Just been told mother-in-law here then which assists my case!

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Posted: **09:13 Mon 19 Dec 2011**

I return to London for good on 3 Jan and by working weekends/late nights if necessary can generally free myself up for any night.

Here AHB expressed some enthusiasm for a 9th or 10th Jan tasting

Posted: **09:15 Mon 19 Dec 2011**

jdaw1 wrote: Venue: perhaps we could test The Bunghole? (Of 57 High Holborn, London WC1V 6DT, tel 020 7831 8365.) Objections?

No objections from me. Presumably you are keen for the same reason i like Steak Exchange and DRT likes TCP...?!

Posted: **09:22 Mon 19 Dec 2011**

jdaw1 wrote:Theme: how about ‘vintage port, ordinary but nice’?

Or a mini-theme. If we could stay non-completist, we could for instance put some bottles together for a little Offley or Croft/Roeda line-up? Or a mini 85 horizontal?

For Croft, I have 63 (£55) and 66 (£40 i think) and 82 (£35) Croft available. Axel speaks great things of the 75 Croft, which i have not tried. That and both the 70 and 77 could be relatively easily acquired if no one has stocks, making a good 6 bottle line-up if there's just a few of us.

Depending on numbers interested, we would perhaps avoid the 85, but i do have have a 67 Roeda (£65) and i'm sure i've heard either Ben or DRT say at a tasting that they have a small stock of the 80 and 83 Roeda. The 87 Roeda would make a nice addition too if anyone has that, and even the 60 Croft is not too expensive.

Plus if we still look like we might be light on port, would be nice to add in something like the 03 which gets rather good ratings.

For 85 i could supply Fonseca, Gould, Churchill, Dow

Thoughts?

Posted: **13:46 Mon 19 Dec 2011**

I have a better theme: ‟Bottles Provided By RAYC, Costs To be Split”.

Objections?

Posted: **14:52 Mon 19 Dec 2011**

jdaw1 wrote:I have a better theme: ‟Bottles Provided By RAYC, Costs To be Split”.

Objections?

Yes - others (including you) have much better cellars!! I'm just suggesting mini-themes that i could contribute to... i am happy to adopt from others if something else is preferred!

Posted: **15:11 Mon 19 Dec 2011**

Others also have cellars. And over time this theme could be replayed with obvious variations.

But would it work for you in early Jan?

Posted: **15:17 Mon 19 Dec 2011**

I have to be in London on both Mondays 9th and 16th January.

I am happy to have a glass of port with fellow port lovers, whether in the bunghole or the crusting pipe, on either or both of those days.

My preferred theme would be an informal "bring a bottle to share" with a mild preference for serving blind but able to be persuaded for the event to be sighted and declared in advance.

Or, as an alternative theme, how about "Port for a Jubilee" with bottles being linked to a jubilee in some way? A little like a tasting a few years ago when we had bottles from the 7 Day War, The Falklands Campaign and Desert Storm under the general heading of "Port from the War Years".

Posted: **15:22 Mon 19 Dec 2011**

jdaw1 wrote:Others also have cellars. And over time this theme could be replayed with obvious variations.

But would it work for you in early Jan?

This would obviously be possible, but my vote would still be to see whether those attending could put together some bottles from their collective cellars for a mini-theme.

The only "mini-themes" i could build exclusively from my cellar are a Niepoort vertical and an 82 horizontal...

If there is no mini-theme but people would nevertheless like to adopt, i can of course do that. But since the bulk of my buying has been retail rather than auction (and over the last two years rather than when port was much cheaper), my prices are not particularly competitive.

Posted: **15:25 Mon 19 Dec 2011**

AHB wrote: My preferred theme would be an informal "bring a bottle to share" with a mild preference for serving blind but able to be persuaded for the event to be sighted and declared in advance.

ok - fine - i have absolutely no quarrel with this. If the usual suspects (and maybe a couple of new people...) are drinking port together and eating steak/roast nut cutlet, i will be happy.

AHB wrote:Or, as an alternative theme, how about "Port for a Jubilee" with bottles being linked to a jubilee in some way? A little like a tasting a few years ago when we had bottles from the 7 Day War, The Falklands Campaign and Desert Storm under the general heading of "Port from the War Years".

Deal - you bring a Sandeman 1935, I'll bring Niepoort 1992, someone else can bring another corked Dow 77!

Posted: **17:23 Mon 19 Dec 2011**

RAYC wrote:
AHB wrote:Or, as an alternative theme, how about "Port for a Jubilee" with bottles being linked to a jubilee in some way? A little like a tasting a few years ago when we had bottles from the 7 Day War, The Falklands Campaign and Desert Storm under the general heading of "Port from the War Years".
Deal - you bring a Sandeman 1935, I'll bring Niepoort 1992, someone else can bring another corked Dow 77!

I can't attend but am happy to contribute 8 bottles to commemorate the end of the Argentinian Dirty War in 1983.

Posted: **19:18 Mon 19 Dec 2011**

In the thread entitled [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=45318#p45318]The arrival of Wiseman #3 and Wiseman #”“1[/url], jdaw1 wrote:Worthy of mention is the Bunghole of 57 High Holborn WC1V 6DX (â˜Ž +44 20 7831 8365), which has two private rooms (which can seat 4, and 8-10), and, as a backup, the out-of-the-way table 6 around which six could sit. The deputy manageress, Stephanie, seems very helpful.

Stephanie no longer works at the Bunghole. But tonight’s on-duty manager, Ben, seemed friendly and competent.

AHB wrote:I have to be in London on both Mondays 9th and 16th January.

The Bunghole can accommodate us on either Monday. But the 9th is also the monthly quiz night the word ‘noisy’ being used several times. The diary page for the 16th was blank a better date for this venue.

So if the 9th, a different venue. If the 16th, the Bunghole. Both?

Posted: **09:45 Tue 20 Dec 2011**

Hi,
also interested in getting together in January. Since it looks like DrDirk is in London over New years Eve I can also see getting together on the 3rd of January could work. DrDirk needs to confirm.
It is unlikely that i will join you on the 9th since I have two Burgundy 2010 cask sample tastings that day and as far as I remember there will be further Burgundy 2010 tastings in this week. Potentially can join you the 16th of January.
With regards to themes doing Croft is easy, I think I have 60, 63, 66, 70, 75, 77 and 80 somewhere lying round. Personally I would be interested to do something mini vertical 1977ish to see what is what. Otherwise we can go back tasting some more 1970s

regards

WS1

Posted: **12:30 Tue 20 Dec 2011**

AHB wrote:I have to be in London on both Mondays 9th and 16th January.

WS1 wrote:Potentially can join you the 16th of January.

jdaw1 wrote:If the 16th, the Bunghole.

Any objections to the Bunghole on Monday 16th January 2012, with a Croft theme?

Posted: **17:46 Tue 20 Dec 2011**

Hi,

I will be in London on the 3rd of january and would be happy for some port.

Dirk

Posted: **18:07 Tue 20 Dec 2011**

This is looking like two events, almost two weeks apart. Who else can make 3rd Jan?

Posted: **23:57 Tue 20 Dec 2011**

I am up for 3rd and 16th.

3rd I am happy for whAtever Dr Dirk would like - but more than happy for 77 horizontal of which I have only 4 btls in my cellar (all available): T77, F77, M77, GC77

Posted: **00:00 Wed 21 Dec 2011**

I do also have a 5th BBR77 potentially available but only if WS1 and I agree first

Posted: **00:01 Wed 21 Dec 2011**

RAYC wrote:M77

Mg77, Morgan? Or Ms77, Messias? But ’77 horizontal a good plan.

Posted: **10:48 Wed 21 Dec 2011**

Discussion of 3rd Jan tasting continued in new thread here

Posted: **22:21 Wed 21 Dec 2011**

The function room (which is large enough for 8 to 10 people) at The Bunghole has been booked in my name for 18:15 on Monday 16th January 2012. Booking ‟for six or seven, but some people might drop out, and others might join” made with Ben.

Apparently they ‟have another tasting group much larger than” us, so they ‟have thousands of glasses on the premises”. Even if not literally true, that bodes well.

First post amended to hold details.

Theme is Croft. Who has which vintages within reach?

Posted: **23:47 Wed 21 Dec 2011**

jdaw1 wrote:Theme is Croft.

Is this an executive decision? I am in favour, but do not feel strongly if others have different ideas...

(Alex - speak your piece or hold your peace!)

Posted: **00:49 Thu 22 Dec 2011**

By strange coincidence a meeting in London has appeared in my diary for the morning of 17th January. Who would have thought that might happen!

I have Croft 1966, 1975 and 2000. I would prefer not to use the 1966 if others have ample supply.

The 1975 is my last bottle that I bought from Tom a few years ago. The batch was apparently liberated from a Lord's cellar (Lichfield and Lucan spring to mind but the latter surely can't be true). The three bottles I have had from that batch have been splendid, in a 1975 sense, and I am happy to chuck my last one in if it is allowed through the door. I am happy to put both 1975 and 2000 on the table if useful.

Posted: **01:13 Thu 22 Dec 2011**

What would be an acceptable line-up for 6-8 people?

Doing 60,63,66,70,75,77 would be nice.

Last (and only) Croft 82 I had was superb, but 91 and 03 are the other candidates that seem to get the acclaim, DRT has the 00 to hand, and I would not say no to trying the 09 if a single bottle could be acquired.

I only have one roeda 67, so I'm tempted to withold thaat for a completist or niche event.

Posted: **06:21 Thu 22 Dec 2011**

Hi,

I have plenty of Croft 1982 (20£) and also picked up some 09 Croft the other day

. I think both should be included. On the other hand I have only 1 bt of Croft 1960 and would like to keep it for now. Croft 1970 or 1966 can easily come from me

.
With regards to what we open I am fairly relaxed; I only would like to suggest to use a different opening technique if possible (pull the cork 3 hours before decanting) for all ports.

regards

WS1

Posted: **07:50 Thu 22 Dec 2011**

jdaw1 wrote:...they ‟have thousands of glasses on the premises”...

If you are close to them, or occasionally visit them, would you be able to take a look at the glasses and check that they are suitable for a port tasting? Otherwise we could end up with a situation similar to the Bowler, when we had hundreds of port thimbles rented in for our tasting.

I have little Croft readily available. I could offer bottles from 2005 (LBV), 2004 (LBV in halves), 1991, 1967 (Roeda) or 1963. I have other vintages either older or in full case lots in bond.

Posted: **07:58 Thu 22 Dec 2011**

AHB wrote:If you are close to them, or occasionally visit them, would you be able to take a look at the glasses and check that they are suitable for a port tasting? Otherwise we could end up with a situation similar to the Bowler, when we had hundreds of port thimbles rented in for our tasting.

I forgot to report that part of the conversation. We discussed port thimbles, of which they apparently have none. The Bunghole has wine glasses.

Posted: **08:03 Thu 22 Dec 2011**

Inconveniently in Sussex I have one bottle of each of 1963 and 1927.

RAYC wrote:Doing 60,63,66,70,75,77 would be nice.

Last (and only) Croft 82 I had was superb

Depending on how many we are, I’d favour something like 1960, ’63, ’66, ’70, ’75, ’77, ’82.

Posted: **09:45 Thu 22 Dec 2011**

AHB wrote:If you are close to them

Maps: The Bunghole; chez moi.

Posted: **14:54 Thu 22 Dec 2011**

jdaw1 wrote:Depending on how many we are, I’d favour something like 1960, ’63, ’66, ’70, ’75, ’77, ’82.

But what if there are more than just you and I?

Posted: **15:36 Thu 22 Dec 2011**

DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:Depending on how many we are, I’d favour something like 1960, ’63, ’66, ’70, ’75, ’77, ’82.
But what if there are more than just you and I?

Magnums, dear fellow, magnums. Then we could easily accomodate four. Even five, if one or two were non-drinking.

Posted: **16:41 Thu 22 Dec 2011**

jdaw1 wrote:
RAYC wrote:M77
Mg77, Morgan? Or Ms77, Messias? But ’77 horizontal a good plan.

Martinez?

Posted: **22:37 Wed 28 Dec 2011**

Hi
Can you please add me to this tasting.
Many thanks

Posted: **23:08 Wed 28 Dec 2011**

In the first post jdaw1 wrote:Who has what?
DRT: ‟I have Croft 1966, 1975 and 2000. I would prefer not to use the 1966 if others have ample supply.”
RAYC: ‟I only have one roeda 67, so I'm tempted to withold thaat for a completist or niche event.”
WS: I have plenty of Croft 1982 (20£) and also picked up some 09 Croft the other day . I think both should be included. On the other hand I have only 1 bt of Croft 1960 and would like to keep it for now. Croft 1970 or 1966 can easily come from me”
AHB: ‟I have little Croft readily available. I could offer bottles from 2005 (LBV), 2004 (LBV in halves), 1991, 1967 (Roeda) or 1963. I have other vintages either older or in full case lots in bond.”
JDAW: ‟I have little Croft readily available. I could offer bottles from 2005 (LBV), 2004 (LBV in halves), 1991, 1967 (Roeda) or 1963. I have other vintages either older or in full case lots in bond.”
Vintages available (pink is a preference to withhold):
1927 (JDAW);
1960 (WS);
1963 (AHB JDAW);
1966 (WS DRT);
1967 Roeda (AHB RAYC);
1970 (WS);
1975 (DRT);
1982 (WS);
1991 (AHB);
2000 (DRT);
2009 (WS).

So for six or seven people we have nine vintages available, these coming from just three people.

Posted: **23:28 Wed 28 Dec 2011**

RAYC wrote:
For Croft, I have 63 (£55) and 66 (£40 i think) and 82 (£35) Croft available.

If Wolfgang is happy to open one of his 66s and 82s, i am happy to retreat to back of line as my stock is more limited. Equally, these bottles were purchased to drink at these types of events, so if we need to spread the cellar burden, they are fully available.

Posted: **00:38 Thu 29 Dec 2011**

jdaw1 wrote:
In the first post jdaw1 wrote:Who has what?
DRT: ‟I have Croft 1966, 1975 and 2000. I would prefer not to use the 1966 if others have ample supply.”
RAYC: ‟I only have one roeda 67, so I'm tempted to withold thaat for a completist or niche event.”
WS: I have plenty of Croft 1982 (20£) and also picked up some 09 Croft the other day . I think both should be included. On the other hand I have only 1 bt of Croft 1960 and would like to keep it for now. Croft 1970 or 1966 can easily come from me”
AHB: ‟I have little Croft readily available. I could offer bottles from 2005 (LBV), 2004 (LBV in halves), 1991, 1967 (Roeda) or 1963. I have other vintages either older or in full case lots in bond.”
JDAW: ‟I have little Croft readily available. I could offer bottles from 2005 (LBV), 2004 (LBV in halves), 1991, 1967 (Roeda) or 1963. I have other vintages either older or in full case lots in bond.”

I think you will find that!

jdaw1 wrote:Inconveniently in Sussex I have one bottle of each of 1963 and 1927.

It's a pity we don't have a "Quotation Crimes" thread.

Posted: **09:10 Thu 29 Dec 2011**

DRT wrote:It's a pity we don't have a "Quotation Crimes" thread.

I apologise for this copy-paste error, which is regretted, and which has been corrected in the first post of the thread.

Posted: **12:22 Thu 29 Dec 2011**

CMAG has a 1970 magnum, of which I might adopt a fraction. Do we want a 1970 magnum?

CMAG also has 2000.

Posted: **13:06 Thu 29 Dec 2011**

There may have been a mis-interpretation of my post in which I identified the vintages of Croft that I was offering. I intended to offer a choice of one of the vintages I mentioned as my bottle to bring - not to volunteer to bring all of them! I'm happy to bring the 1963 as the others should be easier to find if we are bitten by the completist bug. (Or if someone wants to swap and adopt a bottle, I'm happy to do that too.)

Posted: **13:13 Thu 29 Dec 2011**

Updated:

In the first post jdaw1 wrote:Who has what?
DRT: ‟I have Croft 1966, 1975 and 2000. I would prefer not to use the 1966 if others have ample supply.”
RAYC: ‟For Croft, I have 63 (£55) and 66 (£40 i think) and 82 (£35) Croft available. ! I only have one roeda 67, so I'm tempted to withold thaat for a completist or niche event.”
WS: I have plenty of Croft 1982 (20£) and also picked up some 09 Croft the other day . I think both should be included. On the other hand I have only 1 bt of Croft 1960 and would like to keep it for now. Croft 1970 or 1966 can easily come from me”
AHB: ‟I have little Croft readily available. I could offer bottles from 2005 (LBV), 2004 (LBV in halves), 1991, 1967 (Roeda) or 1963. I have other vintages either older or in full case lots in bond.”
JDAW: ‟Inconveniently in Sussex I have one bottle of each of 1963 and 1927.”
Vintages available (pink is a preference to withhold, and semi-pink meaning only one):
1927 (JDAW);
1960 (WS);
1963 (AHB RAYC JDAW);
1966 (WS RAYC DRT);
1967 Roeda (AHB RAYC);
1970 (WS CMAG-magnum);
1975 (DRT);
1982 (WS RAYC);
1991 (AHB);
2000 (DRT CMAG);
2009 (WS).

This is now too complicated. Somebody with complicated preferences please suggest a plan.

Posted: **14:43 Thu 29 Dec 2011**

jdaw1 wrote:Updated:
In the first post jdaw1 wrote:Who has what?
DRT: ‟I have Croft 1966, 1975 and 2000. I would prefer not to use the 1966 if others have ample supply.”
RAYC: ‟For Croft, I have 63 (£55) and 66 (£40 i think) and 82 (£35) Croft available. ! I only have one roeda 67, so I'm tempted to withold thaat for a completist or niche event.”
WS: I have plenty of Croft 1982 (20£) and also picked up some 09 Croft the other day . I think both should be included. On the other hand I have only 1 bt of Croft 1960 and would like to keep it for now. Croft 1970 or 1966 can easily come from me”
AHB: ‟I have little Croft readily available. I could offer bottles from 2005 (LBV), 2004 (LBV in halves), 1991, 1967 (Roeda) or 1963. I have other vintages either older or in full case lots in bond.”
JDAW: ‟Inconveniently in Sussex I have one bottle of each of 1963 and 1927.”
Vintages available (pink is a preference to withhold, and semi-pink meaning only one):
1927 (JDAW);
1960 (WS);
1963 (AHB RAYC JDAW);
1966 (WS RAYC DRT);
1967 Roeda (AHB RAYC);
1970 (WS CMAG-magnum);
1975 (DRT);
1982 (WS RAYC);
1991 (AHB);
2000 (DRT CMAG);
2009 (WS).
This is now too complicated. Somebody with complicated preferences please suggest a plan.

How is this?
AHB - 1963
WS - 1966
CMAG and JDAW - 1970 (mag)
DRT - 1975
RAYC - 1982
BMHR - tba if attending, but hopeful to contribute a 1960

If we feel the urge to be more completist or are worried about inadequacy of quantity:
Potentially available for adoption:- 2000 from DRT, 2009 from WS, 1991 from AHB, 1977 from London retailers

Posted: **14:51 Thu 29 Dec 2011**

Personally I think we should get the 77 - i noticed that both Ancient and Modern and Roberson Wine have some in stock so would be happy to stop by there to pick some up. If WS1 would let us group-adopt his 82 at £20, would that work?

Alternatively my 63 should not be in pink: Alex - let me know if you want to withold your semi-pink.

I wouldn't mind giving the 91 another go if we want to add another bottle or if someone else joins and needs to adopt. I have some in bond that could come out if we decide soon. I would also be interested in trying the 09 if it needed to be expanded yet further!

Posted: **15:43 Thu 29 Dec 2011**

Gents,

Being a Monday should make this relatively easy for me but I need to wait until we are back home before I can consult a family calendar and confirm. The same locational challenge also means I am not certain what I can contribute, but I think I have a bottle of Croft 1960, given to me by my father in the last year or so as a Christmas or Birthday present. Assuming the answer to both questions is yes, I think that and a Roeda 1967 are the only contributions I can offer.

Ben

Posted: **15:49 Thu 29 Dec 2011**

RAYC wrote:Personally I think we should get the 77 - i noticed that both Ancient and Modern and Roberson Wine have some in stock so would be happy to stop by there to pick some up. If WS1 would let us group-adopt his 82 at £20, would that work?

It would, but may not be necessary given that JDAW is yet to add his bottle to the lineup. We may be able to prevail on him to acquire the 1977 since Ben (if he can join us) might be able to offer the 1960.

RAYC wrote:Alternatively my 63 should not be in pink: Alex - let me know if you want to withold your semi-pink.

No need; I open a number of 1963 ports every year and am happy to make 16th Jan the date of my first for 2012.

RAYC wrote:I wouldn't mind giving the 91 another go if we want to add another bottle or if someone else joins and needs to adopt. I have some in bond that could come out if we decide soon. I would also be interested in trying the 09 if it needed to be expanded yet further!

We have a couple of weeks to decide, let's see how things develop.

Posted: **16:12 Thu 29 Dec 2011**

AHB wrote:It would, but may not be necessary given that JDAW is yet to add his bottle to the lineup.

jdaw1 wrote:Inconveniently in Sussex I have one bottle of each of 1963 and 1927.

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