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Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 22:39 Fri 05 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
Split from The Port of Belfast, Tuesday 25th June, 6pm, The Galley by jdaw1.
djewesbury wrote:I presume one can get 6 cl bottles easily in a chemist's..?
My purchase of these was discussed in the thread entitled
Small bottles to hold tasting samples, the link to the supplier having changed to
www.sks-bottle.com/340c/fin13g.html. Shipping was expensive (have you experience of that?), so I took delivery in NY.
As we need more, I have just asked
www.logpac.com for pricing.
Re: The Port of Belfast, Tuesday 25th June, 6pm, The Galley
Posted: 23:31 Fri 05 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
Excellent, count me in for some of these once you have a quote.
Re: The Port of Belfast, Tuesday 25th June, 6pm, The Galley
Posted: 10:19 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by PhilW
I hope you are more successful than I was when
I looked at this towards the end of last year:
PhilW wrote:I logged on to SKS site to place the order today; I'd decided to order 3 bags of 48 to share amongst those who had expressed interest. Unfortunately, it seems they want to charge $200 for shipping...
The main problem being the cost of delivery, since there were not enough people wanting bottles to make the split delivery cost worthwhile; I would still be keen to get some.
Re: The Port of Belfast, Tuesday 25th June, 6pm, The Galley
Posted: 10:39 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
But a standard pharmaceutical supplier would have them, surely? Perhaps the healthcare supplies places on Henrietta St / Wigmore St would be a good place to ask? If a member, or even one of the admins, lived in London, he could enquire on a day when he was in that direction.
Re: The Port of Belfast, Tuesday 25th June, 6pm, The Galley
Posted: 10:52 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
Some research needed first: which shop has what at a good price? That’s an online task, so could be offshored.
Re: The Port of Belfast, Tuesday 25th June, 6pm, The Galley
Posted: 10:59 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:offshored
I will get
's Chinese data farm onto it....
Re: The Port of Belfast, Tuesday 25th June, 6pm, The Galley
Posted: 11:51 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
1. Could we move these latest messages into a more relevant thread?
2. The data farm has sent the following links for our consideration; all in the UK:
The choice is (y)ours.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 13:13 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:Could we move these latest messages into a more relevant thread?
Above posts split from The Port of Belfast, Tuesday 25th June, 6pm, The Galley by jdaw1.
Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 13:19 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:1. Could we move these latest messages into a more relevant thread?
2. The data farm has sent the following links for our consideration; all in the UK:
The choice is (y)ours.
Only the last of those has a wide neck, which makes filling much easier. And recall that filling is typically done late in the evening!
Pricing (presumably ex-VAT):
Qty: 1 at £0.35 ⇒ 35p each;
Qty: 50 at £12.16 ⇒ ≈24.3p each;
Qty: 100 at £20.84 ⇒ 20.84p each;
Qty: 250 at £46.30 ⇒ 18.52p each;
Qty: 770 at £133.71 ⇒ ≈17.4p each.
Ampulla.co.uk wrote:
60ml HDPE jar, semi-transparent plastic (allowing product visibility) with lined screw-top black lid.
Provides excellent storage for powders, tablets, granules, health and beauty, pharmaceutical products and more.
Food grade and pharmaceutical grade approved.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 13:28 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
Ampulla.co.uk wrote:
Provides excellent storage for powders, tablets, granules, health and beauty, pharmaceutical products and more.
This brings us to the obvious question; is our product primarily a beauty treatment, or do we take it for its renowned health-giving properties?
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 13:32 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by DRT
An observation: There was a time when more than half of the people at any given tasting would turn up with a batch of sample bottles, share some out to those with none, and almost all would take some Port home. More recently I have only seen AHB do this when he needs to leave for an early train. Others tend to use a different method of emptying the glasses before leaving the tasting.
I don't think we need 770 sample bottles.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 13:38 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:I don't think we need 770 sample bottles.
Nor do I. In the previous purchase I distributed four bags of 48, so 192 bottles, of which only a few bottles remain. Buying something of that order of magnitude seems right, so for this product either 100 or 250. The latter quantity would be ≈£50+delivery, which could be split a few ways. That would give the team another half-decade(ish) of sample bottles.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 13:43 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
Other possible products:
Ampulla.co.uk wrote:
45ml Hexagonal Jam Jar, comes with brushed silver twist off lid (Rubber lined) locking in freshness and preventing leakage.
A small modern looking jar, perfect for you specialised jams, herb mixes, mustard creations.
Qty: 96 at £30.24
Qty: 234 at £71.60
Ampulla.co.uk wrote:
Small 55ml hexagonal clear glass jar with a silver twist off rubber lined cap.
Ideal for use in cafes or at breakfast tables, perfect for homemade and farm preserves.
Approximate capacity equivalent is 1.9oz. The glass jar is suitable for jam, preserves, pickles, chutneys, nuts, relishes, vinegar and other foods.
Qty: 148 at £45.69
I think I prefer plastic, but am open to persuasion.
Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 13:46 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
Glass jars: more expensive, smaller capacity, heavier to post, breakable.
I vote for 250 of the plastic jars.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 13:50 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:Glass jars: more expensive, smaller capacity, heavier to post, breakable.
I vote for 250 of the plastic jars.
Seconded. Cost to be split a few (⇒ ≥2) ways.
But let’s delay a day or two in case somebody has a better plan.
Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 14:02 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:djewesbury wrote:Glass jars: more expensive, smaller capacity, heavier to post, breakable.
I vote for 250 of the plastic jars.
Seconded. Cost to be split a few (⇒ ≥2) ways.
But let’s delay a day or two in case somebody has a better plan.
+1 to all the above.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 20:55 Sat 06 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
Who else wants more sample bottles? Who’s in?
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 07:57 Sun 07 Jul 2013
by PhilW
I'm in; I've been using glass until now and would much prefer to use plastic providing no taint to the contents. 60ml wide-mouth definitely ideal size; clear would me minor preference to opaque if there is an option.
On previous round of searching I focussed on PET rather than HDPE since (a) it had been used before, and (b) it seems to be more commonly used for water/drinks, while HPDE is used more for shampoo/solvents, so I wasn't certain that HDPE would not affect the taste of the contents, but since 60ml wide-mouth PET seems to be impossible to find in the UK, and the import from SKS is excessive, am happy to give HDPE a try if people believe it should work without imparting taint.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 08:18 Sun 07 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
PhilW wrote:if people believe it should work without imparting taint.
I’m relying on the wording on the vendor’s website.
Ampulla.co.uk wrote:Food grade and pharmaceutical grade approved.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 09:31 Sun 07 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
I
note that it's used for domestic water pipes and is resistant to several solvents. Its high density, rigidity and strength also means it is favoured by pyrotechicians for mortar tubes (Tom?)
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 11:24 Sun 07 Jul 2013
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:I’m relying on the wording on the vendor’s website.
Ampulla.co.uk wrote:Food grade and pharmaceutical grade approved.
The manufacturer quote may be necessary, but is it sufficient? (it may well be, I just do not have the knowledge). IIRC, I noted that HDPE was not usable where vacuum seals where required and provided a much lower barrier to moisture and air ingress (the former presumably a consequence of the latter), and that while I could find a statement that alcohol was fine with PET, I found no such statement for HDPE (which does not mean it is not fine, just that I could not verify it); also you had to be careful with the cap seal capability and materials. On the assumption that any port put into the sample bottles is not likely to be held there for long, pharmaceutical grade HDPE may well be fine, but as I could not previously confirm it, I was cautious and continued to look (unsuccessfully) for 60ml wide-mouth PET bottles in the UK (or should have thought to ask ChrisD to order and bring some for us).
Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 11:32 Sun 07 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
Its usage for the transport of gases and the construction of chemical barriers suggests good levels of impermeability..
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 14:30 Sun 07 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
Wikipedia wrote:Milk jugs and other hollow goods manufactured through blow molding are the most important application area for HDPE ”“ More than 8 million tons, or nearly one third of worldwide production, was applied here.
Unless the regulators have been entirely hoodwinked, that bodes well.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 15:40 Sun 07 Jul 2013
by PhilW
djewesbury wrote:Its usage for the transport of gases and the construction of chemical barriers suggests good levels of impermeability..
True, however almost all the information seems to relate to whether the chemical will damage the barrier over a long period, not whether the barrier may leach into the contents, depending on content type.
jdaw1 wrote:Wikipedia wrote:Milk jugs and other hollow goods manufactured through blow molding are the most important application area for HDPE ”“ More than 8 million tons, or nearly one third of worldwide production, was applied here.
Unless the regulators have been entirely hoodwinked, that bodes well.
Agree that bodes well providing that ethanol is equally inert to the container as milk.
here and
here amongst seem to indicate that ethanol / ethyl alcohol can be safely stored in HDCP (though again this may be more about whether the container degrades over time), plus I note that some suppliers appear to ship alcohol in HDPE drums, which also provides a measure of reassurance, although nothing definitive.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 17:00 Sun 07 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
I sent a message to Ampulla.co.uk pointing to this thread. Maybe Ampulla.co.uk will have the wit to answer the questions herein. (This was meant as encouragement: just do it. Or reply to my email and I’ll post.)
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 01:28 Mon 08 Jul 2013
by Glenn E.
I have several HDPE water bottles from various runs. I have never noticed a flavor from them, or even a smell for that matter. They seem pretty inert to me.
Still, however, no help regarding alcohol.
#2 (HDPE), #4 (LDPE), and #5 (PP) recycling symbols in the US have been approved as not leaching chemicals into water. #7 (polycarbonate) can leach BPA and should not be used for long-term potable water storage.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 07:26 Mon 08 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
By PM, benread wrote:Very happy to contribute to a resupply order!
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 12:40 Mon 08 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
So I phoned Ampulla, who directed me to
www.borealisgroup.com/pdf/chemical-resi ... dpe-ld.pdf. Page 8 of that says that 40% ethanol, in high-density (last two columns), at 20°C, is ‟S”, which the best score, equalling ‟Satisfactory”. At 60° the score was ‟L” = ‟Limited”: it is unclear whether that refers to the evidence or the performance.
Then I spoke to one of Ampulla’s technical people, who said that ‟Angus Distillers ship vodka and whisky all over the world in HDPE”. Which is good enough for me. (Is the modern Shipper’s Pipe really made of plastic? Sigh.)
Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 13:49 Mon 08 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
I see interest from: DRT, JDAW, PW, BMHR, and me. JDAW asks (by PM) whether I wish to request a proportion of the order that represents the future port-drinking potential of the island of Ireland; but the most obvious distribution, currently, is 50 each. Does anybody require more, or fewer, than this?
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 13:56 Mon 08 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:I see interest from: DRT
There might be such interest, but it wasn’t clearly expressed.
djewesbury wrote:Does anybody require more, or fewer, than this?
I’m confident that most of the people in your list want ‘some’, probably defined to mean ‟ideally at least a dozen, but not lots, subject to which whatever is easiest for the organiser”. So whether the All-Ireland Co-ordinator wants his ‘share’ of 50, or wants >50 but ≤190, the others would split the rest.
How many do you want? Are you buying for yourself, or for your current and future Ireland port chums?
Failing cogent objection, I’ll order tonight.
Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 14:15 Mon 08 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
I'll take 100 if that doesn't inconvenience anybody else.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 16:34 Mon 08 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
So the current score is 100 for DJ; 50 for each of BMHW PW JDAW.
djewesbury wrote:I'll take 100 if that doesn't inconvenience anybody else.
It won’t. Others will want a dozen to a score, but will take more as part of a team effort. Indeed, if any are feeling robbed of their ‘share’ of 62½, thirteen can be transferred from me.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 17:48 Mon 08 Jul 2013
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:djewesbury wrote:I see interest from: DRT
There might be such interest, but it wasn’t clearly expressed.
I have around three dozen of the originals that are rarely used. But I am happy to take a share of the 150 destined for Britain if it softens the blow on team finances.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 18:47 Mon 08 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:I have around three dozen of the originals that are rarely used. But I am happy to take a share of the 150 destined for Britain if it softens the blow on team finances.
The blow is very small. Your need is very small. You’re out.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 18:53 Mon 08 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
Ordered, for £53.89 including delivery. Will come within a week.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 07:16 Tue 09 Jul 2013
by PhilW
Thank you, 50 is good.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 16:57 Wed 10 Jul 2013
by Alex Bridgeman
Drat. I've only just read this thread. I could have done with a dozen or two. My supply of the old style bottles is dwindling slowly as I "lend" them to others on occasion but rarely have them returned.
Never mind. If there are any spare I will take some, otherwise I will just have to use Ben's breast milk bags when I finally run out of sample bottles.
Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 17:27 Wed 10 Jul 2013
by djewesbury
Alex, I'm happy to relinquish some of Ireland's birthright in this instance..! Would 25 do you?
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 19:24 Wed 10 Jul 2013
by Alex Bridgeman
djewesbury wrote:Alex, I'm happy to relinquish some of Ireland's birthright in this instance..! Would 25 do you?
25 would be more than adequate. Thank you.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 21:56 Wed 10 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
Daniel: have the 100 you requested. Alex: 25+ available, no problem.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 15:02 Thu 11 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
They have arrived. How many do people want?
• 100 for Daniel;
• 25 for Alex;
• 25 for Ben [added after later post];
• 50 for Phil [added after later post];
• leftovers for me, however many that is [seemingly 50, or maybe 41].
Phil and Ben: forty? Fewer? Fifty? More? [Edited as question answered.]
Anybody else want ‘a few’?
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 16:07 Thu 11 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote:They have arrived.
‟They” = 241 bottles and 93 lids. I phoned and Ampulla knew that lids were missing. More coming, apparently.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 17:19 Thu 11 Jul 2013
by benread
jdaw1 wrote:They have arrived. How many do people want?
• 100 for Daniel;
• 25 for Alex;
• leftovers for me, however many that is.
Phil and Ben: forty? Fewer? Fifty? More?
Anybody else want ‘a few’?
25 would be plenty for me, but let me know what my fair share of £'s is and if that equates to a few more than 25 then I am happy to take and store them for team use, or let another deserving soul have a few extra.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 20:29 Thu 11 Jul 2013
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:They have arrived. How many do people want?
Phil and Ben: forty? Fewer? Fifty? More?
jdaw1 wrote:So the current score is 100 for DJ; 50 for each of BMHW PW JDAW.
PhilW wrote:Thank you, 50 is good.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 20:51 Thu 11 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
FYI, the new pots are slightly smaller than the old. The old pots have a protruding ridge, just beneath the thread than holds on the lid. New pot to the brim is the same volume as up to the protruding ridge on an old pot.
Rephrased, new’s brimful = old’s just into neck.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 08:43 Thu 18 Jul 2013
by jdaw1
More lids arrived, and screwed on to the 241 pots I am Mr Bucket.
Yes, there are twelve spare lids.
To be allocated:
• 100 for Daniel (plus 5 spare lids);
• 25 for Alex (plus 1 spare lid);
• 25 for Ben (plus 1 spare lid);
• 50 for Phil (plus 3 spare lids);
• 41 for Julian (plus 2 spare lids).
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 17:29 Thu 18 Feb 2016
by PhilW
As mentioned
here, some of us need some more bottles (ideally in time for distribution/use on Wednesday next week if that were possible, though this looks unlikely currently). A search for current suppliers has come up with the following:
Requirement:
Material: PET preferred, HDPE acceptable
Size: 50-60ml preferred, 50-80ml acceptable
Neck: Wide neck required
(a) PET, 75ml (€0.70/bottle incl vat & shipping for 100 quantity)
here
(b) HDPE, 60ml (£9.55/10 inc vat, plus delivery – except I could collect, if they have them at their head office)
here
(c) HDPE, 60ml (£110/48, shipped from US [long])
here
(d) HDPE, 60ml (<£0.30/bottle ex-vat and delivery)
here
It is believed that (d) was purchased last time. None of the bottles listed appear to be supplied pre-sterilised as far as I can tell, though they are all pharmaceutical-grade. Of these (b) and (c) seem too expensive by comparison to the other options, leaving (a) (slightly larger but PET) vs (d) (better size but HDPE); I would be happy with either (personally minor preference for the PET bottles, perhaps, despite the slightly larger size).
Two questions for all, therefore:
(i) Does anyone know of other sources which should be considered? (if so please post links)
(ii) If an order for bottles were to be placed tomorrow (though with no guarantee of delivery prior to Wednesday's tasting), would anyone want some and if so how many? (please post quantity wanted; I would take 50-100)
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 11:11 Fri 19 Feb 2016
by CPR 1
Phil
If you place an order I am up for 25 - 50 please
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 11:26 Fri 19 Feb 2016
by jdaw1
Last time we paid £53.89 for 241 of them, from
www.ampulla.co.uk. If you buy a similar quantity they will be distributed quite easily.
Re: Samples bottles, round two
Posted: 13:09 Fri 19 Feb 2016
by flash_uk
I'll take 50 please. Slight preference for d, on the basis that the dimensions are more suitable for packing 14 in a wooden wine box.