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Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 15:54 Sat 14 Sep 2013
by jdaw1
We have a few would-be vendors joining this forum, and we find ourselves re-writing the same replies time and again. So let’s have a standard ‘first reply’, to save drafting time. A first draft of this follows. Please re-write below.


:tpf: Standard advice to would-be vendors :tpf:
Some new members of ThePortForum.com join because they have a bottle, or some bottles, for sale. So we have jointly composed this standard advice, that covers the most frequently-seen situations. Of course, some more specific advice might follow after.

First, hello and welcome. We welcome such visitors, from the likes of whom we have bought bottles and cases in the past.

Second is less good. Your bottles are unlikely to be worth a lot. Selling at auction, through one of the big auction houses, is likely to net you about half the retail price. (Auction prices are less than retail which is why wine merchants buy at auction, and there is the seller’s commission and transport costs.) Selling to a wine merchant is likely to net you about the same, half retail. As a guide, vintage port (rather than LBV, Crusted, or other types), of a good name, from a good year, four or so decades old, of good provenance, might be as much as £100 a bottle. If not all these ducks are in a row, it will be less. So this will not pay for a car or a holiday: sorry.

So our usual advice is not to sell.

If you were given these bottles as a christening present, we advise that you hold them. When you are thirty or forty years old it will give you great pleasure to open these bottles with friends bottles you will have owned since you were a toddler. (Recall Alan Clark on Heseltine: ‟he had to buy all his furniture”. Your friends will have had to buy their own wine; yours came to you as a child.) Selling will net you small money; holding and drinking later can give you great pleasure.

If you are the father of the vendor, a teenager with non-vinous uses for money, then you are probably the best purchaser. Buy, and share with your offspring when they are old enough to regret having sold.

But if, despite all this, you still want to sell, then we might be the best purchaser. Please describe what you have, and post a picture of the bottle or of the unopened case. When did you acquire it, and where has it been stored? And where is it now located: which country (UK? USA? Other), and approximately where within that?

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 18:11 Sat 14 Sep 2013
by Alex Bridgeman
I think that in general I would rather consider each request for help on its own merits. While there is much to be said for having some permanent guidance to people who drop by to ask for help in selling a bottle, there is nothing better than a personalised response to the specific question that we have been asked.

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 19:36 Sat 14 Sep 2013
by jdaw1
OK. Those writing ‟a personalised response to the specific question that we have been asked” are welcome to use some of the above words as a starting point. Or not, as best fits the OP’s question.

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 20:34 Sat 14 Sep 2013
by DRT
I am very strongly in AHB's camp on this. Let's not turn into TPF plc :wink:

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 20:56 Sat 14 Sep 2013
by LGTrotter
I am always impressed by the politeness of the responses to these questions, long may it continue. I wonder if there should be a rota so those most long suffering responders could take a night off. The trouble is that most of us would probably only respond with 'oh just drink it'.

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 21:04 Sat 14 Sep 2013
by djewesbury
Could we not take the bones of JDAW's post and put it into a sticky on the Port Conversations page....? I think it's well written, and helpful if people read it before they post, rather than receive it as a form response. Not sure about the Alan Clark line (although I've always found it very funny) but there's room for us all in this world.

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 21:10 Sat 14 Sep 2013
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:helpful if people read it before they post
Or perhaps resulting in them not posting?

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 00:02 Sun 15 Sep 2013
by g-man
I actually would like at least some standardization to save from the 1 liner responses.

ie. At least state where you're from when trying to sell bottles.

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 09:37 Sun 15 Sep 2013
by jdaw1
g-man wrote:ie. At least state where you're from when trying to sell bottles.
First posted edited to add that question.

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 10:02 Sun 15 Sep 2013
by djewesbury
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:helpful if people read it before they post
Or perhaps resulting in them not posting?
I'm not sure why putting up a sticky containing the basic info they need to know / assess before they post should necessarily discourage them from posting, unless it answers all their questions and forms in them the opinion that they would be best drinking whatever it is they have, in which case, job done.

It could only be a problem if it turns out that this is something we might have bought. But those who have something genuinely worth selling should read the sticky and arrive at the conclusion that it is worth their while posting.

In which case, once again, job done.

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 10:07 Sun 15 Sep 2013
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:I am very strongly in AHB's camp on this. Let's not turn into TPF plc :wink:
Having standard advice saying ‟don’t sell” also makes clear that we are not being rude about OP’s bottles. We (almost) always say this; not just when offered Hutcheson 1970.

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 10:20 Sun 15 Sep 2013
by DRT
Any advice given should be appropriate to the problem. Advising someone to keep their bottle and telling them it will give great pleasure when they are 40 doesn't work if the bottle is OBV72, a 45 year old standard ruby or the person owning the bottle is 63 years old.

I'm happy to continue giving personal advice based on the specific nature of the enquiry. Others are free to do something different.

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 10:27 Sun 15 Sep 2013
by djewesbury
*sound of argument being conceded*

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 10:55 Sun 15 Sep 2013
by DRT
*sound of can't see the point in arguing*

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 11:02 Sun 15 Sep 2013
by djewesbury
Oh now that's a different thing. I can always see the point in arguing. Even (especially?) when I know my argument is wrong.
:lol: 88)

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 11:04 Sun 15 Sep 2013
by DRT
I always keep arguing when I know I'm wrong, which is why I am no longer arguing about this :wink:

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 14:12 Sun 15 Sep 2013
by jdaw1
Girls!

The text exists. Use it whole when doing so works. Use parts when doing so saves drafting time. Use none otherwise.

Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 21:54 Sun 15 Sep 2013
by djewesbury
NB: what Alan Clark actually said, if memory serves, was that Heseltine was the sort of person who had to buy his own furniture.

This has a very different connotation to the more light-hearted remark communicated in JDAW's original text, perhaps...

Re: Standard advice to would-be vendors: drafting words

Posted: 08:02 Mon 16 Sep 2013
by jdaw1
Wikipedia might have quoted AC’s source. It wasn’t completely clear to me.