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Ramos-Pinto: Tuesday 21st October 2014
Posted: 00:09 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by jdaw1
This post to hold plans as and when they are agreed.
Theme: a vertical of Ramos-Pinto Vintage Port.
Date: Tuesday 21
st October 2014.
Time: the start time is 18:30. And I won’t be waiting for those who aren’t ready.
Location:
Davy’s at Woolgate (25 Basinghall Street, London, EC2V 5HA, tel +44 20 7600 5216,
streetmap.co.uk,
maps.google.co.uk,
bing.com).
Vintages:
- 1909 (JNdA);
- 1924, 65cl (THRA);
- 1931 (JDAW);
- 1960 (AP);
- 1964 (AP);
- 1970 (AP);
- 1980 (THRA, WPS?, AP);
- 1982 (AP);
- 1983 (WPS?, AP, AHB);
- 1985 (AP);
- 1991 (THRA, AP);
- 1994 (JDAW, AP, AHB);
- 1994 Ervamoira (AP);
- 1997 (AP, JDAW).
The current plan is that the tasting will include vintages ≤1997, but anyway noted here is possession of those younger.
- 2000 (AP);
- 2002 (AP);
- 2003 (AP);
- 2005 (AP);
- 2007 (AP);
- 2007 Ervamoira (AP);
- 2009 Ervamoira (AP);
- 2011 (AP).
People:
- João Nicolau de Almeida;
- Mark Bingley M.W.;
- Ana Rato (Ramos Pinto head of marketing);
- JDAW;
- PW;
- THRA;
- WPS;
- AP;
- AHB;
- DJ;
- MPM;
- RAYC.
Wait list, Possibles, and Might Change Their Mind At The Last Moments:
- DRT;
- CPR.
Current draft of
placemats (and
parameters by which made).
Reload: on a Mac, ⌘R; on a PC, Control-R.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 00:09 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by jdaw1
I would like there to be a deep tasting of many vintages of Ramos-Pinto. But the only Ramos-Pinto vintages I have are 1994 and 1931.
Would anybody else want there to be such a tasting? And which vintages do those people own?
Let’s aim for an autumn date. Preferences? How about Tuesday 21
st October 2014?
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 00:32 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:I would like there to be a deep tasting of many vintages of Ramos-Pinto. But the only Ramos-Pinto vintages I have are 1994 and 1931.
Would anybody else want there to be such a tasting? And which vintages do those people own?
I sadly have none but would love to join such a tasting.
Let’s aim for an autumn date. Preferences? How about Tuesday 21st October 2014
That sounds like a plan. If considering other dates, please remember the planned Martinez vertical date is still to be confirmed, but expected in last fortnight of Nov.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 00:37 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:I would like there to be a deep tasting of many vintages of Ramos-Pinto. But the only Ramos-Pinto vintages I have are 1994 and 1931.
Would anybody else want there to be such a tasting? And which vintages do those people own?
I would like to be at that tasting and will bring every RP vintage that I own. So we now have 1994 and 1931
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 03:37 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by uncle tom
I can only add the '24 (650cL) '80 & '91
RP's bottle store has impressive stocks at the older end of the spectrum..
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 14:01 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote:People:
- JDAW;
- PW;
- DRT;
- THRA.
Vintages:
- 1924, 650cl (THRA);
- 1931 (JDAW);
- 1980 (THRA);
- 1991 (THRA);
- 1994 (JDAW).
So far we are four people and most of five bottles. Whilst that could be said to work in some sense, it wasn’t what I had in mind.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 15:29 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by WS1
Hi,
I think I have 80, 83 and 94. But would need to have a closer look where they are. Would be interested too in such a vertical since I missed the one Axel did in Germany.
regards
WS1
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 16:09 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by jdaw1
WS1 wrote:the one Axel did in Germany.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 16:22 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by Axel P
I have
60
70
80
82
83
85
91
94
94 Ervamoira
97
2000
02
03
05
07
07 Ervamoira
09 Ervamoira
11
I would be much interested in including Toms second bottle of "LBV" 27 and the 55 and 63.
Let me know the date asap.
Axel
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 16:40 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by jdaw1
Axel P wrote:Let me know the date asap.
jdaw1 wrote:Let’s aim for an autumn date. Preferences? How about Tuesday 21st October 2014?
Any objections to or problems with Tuesday 21
st October 2014? (Subject to industry-guest consent.)
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 16:49 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by jdaw1
Thank to Axel’s excellent collection, the list of vintages has grown substantially.
jdaw1 wrote:Vintages:
- 1924, 650cl (THRA);
- 1931 (JDAW);
- 1960 (AP);
- 1970 (AP);
- 1980 (THRA, WPS?, AP);
- 1982 (AP);
- 1983 (WPS?, AP);
- 1985 (AP);
- 1991 (THRA, AP);
- 1994 (JDAW, WPS?, AP);
- 1994 Ervamoira (AP);
- 1997 (AP);
- 2000 (AP);
- 2002 (AP);
- 2003 (AP);
- 2005 (AP);
- 2007 (AP);
- 2007 Ervamoira (AP);
- 2009 Ervamoira (AP);
- 2011 (AP).
Is it a good idea to have 1931 and 2011 in the same tasting? Do the very young Ports overwhelm those with some dignified age? Should we restrict ourselves to ≤2000, thereby excluding those from this century? I say yes.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 19:15 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by PhilW
jdaw1 wrote:Is it a good idea to have 1931 and 2011 in the same tasting? Do the very young Ports overwhelm those with some dignified age? Should we restrict ourselves to ≤2000, thereby excluding those from this century? I say yes.
I would go further, and only include <94, or perhaps <=94 (i.e. not including under 21s with oldies).
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 19:32 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by DRT
PhilW wrote:jdaw1 wrote:Is it a good idea to have 1931 and 2011 in the same tasting? Do the very young Ports overwhelm those with some dignified age? Should we restrict ourselves to ≤2000, thereby excluding those from this century? I say yes.
I would go further, and only include <94, or perhaps <=94 (i.e. not including under 21s with oldies).
I agree. The youngsters always get lost/neglected at these big verticals. Dropping 8 or 9 youngsters from the line-up could provide funds for a couple more oldies.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 19:39 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by jdaw1
There is plenty of evidence that our forefathers started drinking their VP at 15. We’ll keep ≤1997. Hopefully this compromise is generally acceptable.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 19:59 Sun 16 Feb 2014
by CPR 1
I can add nothing to the list of bottles as I have no RP! but this sounds like an excellent idea and a shipper I am not overly familiar with, thus count me in please
Thanks
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 10:04 Mon 17 Feb 2014
by jdaw1
uncle tom wrote:I can only add the '24 (650cL)
Tom has confirmed that he meant this size: at 8⅔ bottles, slightly bigger than an Imperial.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 11:00 Mon 17 Feb 2014
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:uncle tom wrote:I can only add the '24 (650cL)
Tom has confirmed that he meant this size: at 8⅔ bottles, slightly bigger than an Imperial.
Yikes! Thank you to Tom for offering to open such a rare gem.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 18:49 Mon 17 Feb 2014
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote:uncle tom wrote:I can only add the '24 (650cL)
Tom has confirmed that he meant this size: at 8⅔ bottles, slightly bigger than an Imperial.
Would this rather unbalance the tasting? There’s nothing wrong with each of us having to drink half a litre of a ninety year old port really, nothing wrong but would it fit with the workings of a vertical tasting?
Part of me says no. But not all of me.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 19:10 Mon 17 Feb 2014
by Alex Bridgeman
I'm in, but can offer only the 1983 and/or the 1994.
jdaw1 wrote:jdaw1 wrote:uncle tom wrote:I can only add the '24 (650cL)
Tom has confirmed that he meant this size: at 8⅔ bottles, slightly bigger than an Imperial.
Would this rather unbalance the tasting? There’s nothing wrong with each of us having to drink half a litre of a ninety year old port really, nothing wrong but would it fit with the workings of a vertical tasting?
Part of me says no. But not all of me.
I think it depends on the cost. While I would love to help to drink 6½ litres of 90 year old port it could significantly distort the costs of the tasting. Personally, I would rather spend the same amount of money but taste a smaller amount of the 1924 and more vintages.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 22:45 Mon 17 Feb 2014
by djewesbury
I would like. I can, at present, offer nothing, but perhaps that might change between now and October. Happy to adopt as always.
Honestly, I turn my back for a moment and you've organised an enormous vertical with bumper formats of decently old port.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 23:10 Mon 17 Feb 2014
by mosesbotbol
That sounds awesome. Ramos Pinto is the producer I'd like to do a vertical the most of.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 00:20 Tue 18 Feb 2014
by jdaw1
mosesbotbol wrote:That sounds awesome. Ramos Pinto is the producer I'd like to do a vertical the most of.
Does that mean that you are crossing the Atlantic? Or not?
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 01:23 Tue 18 Feb 2014
by DRT
AHB wrote:jdaw1 wrote:jdaw1 wrote:uncle tom wrote:I can only add the '24 (650cL)
Tom has confirmed that he meant this size: at 8⅔ bottles, slightly bigger than an Imperial.
Would this rather unbalance the tasting? There’s nothing wrong with each of us having to drink half a litre of a ninety year old port really, nothing wrong but would it fit with the workings of a vertical tasting?
Part of me says no. But not all of me.
I think it depends on the cost. While I would love to help to drink 6½ litres of 90 year old port it could significantly distort the costs of the tasting. Personally, I would rather spend the same amount of money but taste a smaller amount of the 1924 and more vintages.
I get where you are both coming from on this, but at which other event do you think Tom should open this unusual bottle? Cost will obviously be a consideration, but assuming it is palatable (sorry), surely this is a fabulous event to let this very unusual bottle show the world what it has been waiting for?
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 05:30 Tue 18 Feb 2014
by Andy Velebil
If the timing works I would fly over for this.
Re: Ramos-Pinto: a vertical
Posted: 06:44 Tue 18 Feb 2014
by Glenn E.
Andy Velebil wrote:If the timing works I would fly over for this.
I was thinking the same thing, the problem being that I'll have just returned from the 2014 Port Harvest Tour and can't simply extend my stay for that long.