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What is the essence of G70?

Can we find out? Perhaps by drinking a lot of it and making notes and coming to some sensible conclusions?

We aim to find as many different non-Oporto bottlings of G70 as we can and drink them side by side. Please declare what you have.

Date: TBC
Venue: TBC

In:

1. DJ – Matthew Gloag, Perthshire
2. JDAW – TBC
3. DRT – Harvey's of Bristol
4. AP – The Wine Society
5. PW – Presumed Whitwhams Wines
6. IDJ – TBC
7. WS – Army & Navy
8. MPM – TBC (Oporto/UK?)
9. Industry Guest - TBC (Oporto/Oporto?)

Reserves:

1. AHB - TBC

Yes please. I’ll check what I have.

Relevant threads:
• UK v Oporto bottling (16 Apr 2014);
• Corks and bottles: Oporto versus London (24 Sep 2009);
• Comparing the bottlers (13 Sep 2009).

Placemats will appear near here.

Harvey's of Bristol & Charles Kinlock.

djewesbury wrote:

• DJ – Matthew Gloag, Perthshire
• JDAW
• DRT – Harvey's of Bristol; Charles Kinloch, London

Oops! I thought the bottles we bought together were Charles Kinloch. You are correct, which means I don't have Charles Kinloch. Please just put me down for Harvey's of Bristol.

Done.

I have an original Oporto bottling, Army and Navy and The Wine Society.

Axel

I also have Oporto and considered using this as a 'control'; but then realised that there is no such thing with 40+ year old ports. I propose to taste only non-Portuguese bottlings, unless others disagree (which they will). i will put down your other two bottles for now, if that's agreeable? If you prefer only to bring one, please nominate.

djewesbury wrote:If you prefer only to bring one, please nominate.

There will be a need for adoptions.

I'm in, subject to date. Will check my G70 (good choice; I had previously considered W70 for the same purpose - if there are a similar number of shippers for G70 this could be very interesting).

Hi,

am interested since G70 is one of my favourite ports, it is currently the single port I own most of (+30bts and 8 Magnums). But with one exceptions there are all Oporto bt. As far as I recollect the oporto bt in tastings was always great. Hence I never paid attention to bottelings and stuck with excellent provenance on oporto bottelings.
Hence I would also need likely to adopt for this tasting.

regards

WS1

Have checked; I have one bottle of G70, but the label is heavily damaged; It is English bottled by "?????????????s Wine Limited, ?????????????ire".

P.

and in the blink of an eye we're off and running....put me down for this; I have some G70 but will need to check origin.

I would also like to attend. Will look at what I have in the way of G70...I think nothing, but will endeavour to acquire some otherwise would need to adopt.

Let’s include Oporto-bottled. Indeed, if possible let’s include both Oporto-bottled VNG-cellared and Oporto-bottled UK-cellared.

Wolfgang, you can adopt or exchange one from me.

We should invite someone from the Symingtons and ask them to bring the oporto control bottle from Porto.

Axel

PhilW wrote:Have checked; I have one bottle of G70, but the label is heavily damaged; It is English bottled by "?????????????s Wine Limited, ?????????????ire".

P.

Can you post a picture so that the sleuths can guess?

idj123 wrote:and in the blink of an eye we're off and running....put me down for this; I have some G70 but will need to check origin.

Done.

flash_uk wrote:I would also like to attend. Will look at what I have in the way of G70...I think nothing, but will endeavour to acquire some otherwise would need to adopt.

Please adopt rather than buying in, you'll get a more favourable deal and we'll most likely have a better idea of provenance.

jdaw1 wrote:Let’s include Oporto-bottled. Indeed, if possible let’s include both Oporto-bottled VNG-cellared and Oporto-bottled UK-cellared.

Happy to be over-ruled. With ref to the below; if we invite a Sym and ask that he bring the Oporto-bottled VNG-cellared, then who has the best Oporto-bottled UK-cellared? Possibly Wolfgang?

Axel P wrote:Wolfgang, you can adopt or exchange one from me.

We should invite someone from the Symingtons and ask them to bring the oporto control bottles from Porto.

Axel

Excellent idea, we can perhaps suggest this to Paul S if he's there on Thursday. Please observe my correction in the quote of your post.

WS1 wrote:Hi,

am interested since G70 is one of my favourite ports, it is currently the single port I own most of (+30bts and 8 Magnums). But with one exceptions there are all Oporto bt. As far as I recollect the oporto bt in tastings was always great. Hence I never paid attention to bottelings and stuck with excellent provenance on oporto bottelings.
Hence I would also need likely to adopt for this tasting.

regards

WS1

I shall put you down for AP's Army & Navy, but see above re Oporto control bottles - would you be able to bring Oporto-bottled UK-cellared? Perhaps flash_uk could adopt one from you?

jdaw1 wrote:Let’s include Oporto-bottled. Indeed, if possible let’s include both Oporto-bottled VNG-cellared and Oporto-bottled UK-cellared.

For the sake of consistency, I prefer 'Oporto-bottled, Oporto-cellared', since the former of the pair also refers to VNG. Agreed?

Placemats will follow soon.

djewesbury wrote:

PhilW wrote:Have checked; I have one bottle of G70, but the label is heavily damaged; It is English bottled by "?????????????s Wine Limited, ?????????????ire".

Can you post a picture so that the sleuths can guess?

Pic here (click for large version):


Agree re: including a couple of Oporto-bottled as well, good plan.

Axel P wrote:Wolfgang, you can adopt or exchange one from me.

We should invite someone from the Symingtons and ask them to bring the oporto control bottle from Porto.

Axel

I am sure we find an arrangement.

regards

WS1

djewesbury wrote:

WS1 wrote:Hi,

am interested since G70 is one of my favourite ports, it is currently the single port I own most of (+30bts and 8 Magnums). But with one exceptions there are all Oporto bt. As far as I recollect the oporto bt in tastings was always great. Hence I never paid attention to bottelings and stuck with excellent provenance on oporto bottelings.
Hence I would also need likely to adopt for this tasting.

regards

WS1

I shall put you down for AP's Army & Navy, but see above re Oporto control bottles - would you be able to bring Oporto-bottled UK-cellared? Perhaps flash_uk could adopt one from you?

Hmm what about let us first see how many people we will be before deciding on addition on Oporto bottelings. E.g. if we are only 8 people I am not sure if it does make sense having 2 Oporto bottelings as part of the eight bts assuming we doe not go above the 1bt per attendee ratio.
I have a good, well cellared Oporto botteling which came in its original cardboard case at hand if required.

regards

WS1

I suspect we will fill the places available but I agree that we should keep an eye on this before automatically deciding how many Op-bottles we have.

Has anyone deduced which shire Phil's bottling may have come from?

djewesbury wrote:Has anyone deduced which shire Phil's bottling may have come from?

How about Whitham and Company Wines Limited, see here (in Phil's own database )

EDIT: Or this example which is a better match for the layout on the Graham bottle.

Is Whitwham's a possibility? Any other offers?

"Whitwhams Wines Limited, Altrincham, Cheshire" was the best fit I could find also, seems to be a reasonable assumption.
(n.b. no apostrophe, and seems to have become "Whitwhams Wines" instead of "Whitwham and Company wines" sometime in the 60's)

PhilW wrote:"Whitwhams Wines Limited, Altrincham, Cheshire" was the best fit I could find also, seems to be a reasonable assumption.
(n.b. no apostrophe, and seems to have become "Whitwhams Wines" instead of "Whitwham and Company wines" sometime in the 60's)

We will list this as 'Presumed Whitwhams' until instructed otherwise.

Drat, now checked and as I thought, my G70 is Opoto bottled. Do I now need to acquire or adopt?

idj123 wrote:Drat, now checked and as I thought, my G70 is Opoto bottled. Do I now need to acquire or adopt?

Adopt if possible. See above.

Dates permitting yes please.

I only have Oporto bottled G70 thus will need to adopt if that is possible?

Thanks

As an academic exercise, I think the test is flawed as there is no opportunity to account and correct for variability within a case. For academic purposes, this tasting should be with half cases of each bottling that have been stored in an identical manner.

As an excuse for a a tasting, it's a brilliant idea. Subject to date, I'm a tentative - perhaps you could put me as first reserve? I have some G70 but I have no idea who bottled it and it is in offsite storage so might take me a while to find out.

AHB wrote:As an academic exercise, I think the test is flawed as there is no opportunity to account and correct for variability within a case. For academic purposes, this tasting should be with half cases of each bottling that have been stored in an identical manner.

As an excuse for a a tasting, it's a brilliant idea. Subject to date, I'm a tentative - perhaps you could put me as first reserve? I have some G70 but I have no idea who bottled it and it is in offsite storage so might take me a while to find out.

We who are academics have an adequate sufficiency of rigourousness in our work lives. This forum provides excellent opportunities for methodologically questionable experiments, which somehow contrive to have extremely useful outcomes.

I expect that we will seek to hold this somewhere around late Autumn (I was going to suggest November). But I haven't got that far yet. Hopefully it'll be sufficiently far ahead that all concerned can block it out in their diaries.