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(shhhh...)Ah! You mean 'the other place'.djewesbury wrote:
lol. (Just joking if course)
Wikipedia, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_other_place_(euphemism)]here[/url], wrote:'Another place' or 'the other place' is a euphemism used in many bicameral parliaments using the Westminster system, including Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom.
A member of one house will not usually refer directly to the other, but refer to it indirectly using the phrase 'another place', or 'the other place'. So for example, a member of the Canadian Senate would not mention 'the House of Commons', but would use the phrase 'the other place'.
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The reasons for the tradition are unclear, but it has been suggested that it dates back to a period of ill-feeling between the two houses of the UK Parliament. Similarly a member talking of their own house would refer to it as 'this place'.
Other uses
Similarly, the universities of Oxford and Cambridge refer to each other as "the other place",[2][3] as do the pupils of the British public schools Eton and Harrow.
I think he should have said 'I spy strangers' as he sits on the green benches. (As always with my tongue in my cheek.)Andy Velebil wrote:I thought this was the other place
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Just nattering, no green pen tonight. Anyway I thought the bit about 'dating back to a time of ill feeling between the two houses' was apt. But this is never to be discussed.djewesbury wrote:My previous post should really be titled 'How to take your own thread completely off-topic, part 27'.
A time of ill-feeling that nobody alive today remembers. Or can believe ever really happened, such is the amity between us all.LGTrotter wrote:Just nattering, no green pen tonight. Anyway I thought the bit about 'dating back to a time of ill feeling between the two houses' was apt. But this is never to be discussed.djewesbury wrote:My previous post should really be titled 'How to take your own thread completely off-topic, part 27'.
Yes.djewesbury wrote:My previous post should really be titled 'How to take your own thread completely off-topic, part 27'.
The POINT was that I'm very, very pleased to see a focused return to the everyday market by one of the biggest shippers. I'm not surprised that it's SFE either, I think this shows a desire on their part to balance out their ongoing brand exercise. Too much supercuvée will just create an unhealthy niche.
Translate to "this side of pond English" please lolLGTrotter wrote:I think he should have said 'I spy strangers' as he sits on the green benches. (As always with my tongue in my cheek.)Andy Velebil wrote:I thought this was the other place
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Saying 'I spy strangers' in the House of Commons (British parliament) is a ruse to disrupt proceedings. It dates back to times when spys or even actual attack was a possibility. It was used on occasion to devastating effect by Dennis Skinner among others to most theatrical effect. Sergeants at arms running around and Black Rod in a lather.Andy Velebil wrote:Translate to "this side of pond English" please lolLGTrotter wrote:I think he should have said 'I spy strangers' as he sits on the green benches. (As always with my tongue in my cheek.)Andy Velebil wrote:I thought this was the other place
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Although this thread does seem holed below the waterline I shall try to sail on.djewesbury wrote:My previous post should really be titled 'How to take your own thread completely off-topic, part 27'.
The POINT was that I'm very, very pleased to see a focused return to the everyday market by one of the biggest shippers. I'm not surprised that it's SFE either, I think this shows a desire on their part to balance out their ongoing brand exercise. Too much supercuvée will just create an unhealthy niche.
But Six Grapes is not a Vintage Port, it's their best reserve, or have I missed something?LGTrotter wrote:Although this thread does seem holed below the waterline I shall try to sail on.djewesbury wrote:My previous post should really be titled 'How to take your own thread completely off-topic, part 27'.
The POINT was that I'm very, very pleased to see a focused return to the everyday market by one of the biggest shippers. I'm not surprised that it's SFE either, I think this shows a desire on their part to balance out their ongoing brand exercise. Too much supercuvée will just create an unhealthy niche.
Does anyone know who will be selling this? Berrys seems to be where the other Graham limited release wines have ended up, so perhaps there. I also wondered whether it will be released in declared years or more for inbetweener years, a sort of multi Quinta vintage port.
No I expect I have. I know that it used to be NV but didn't realise that its latest incarnation would be.djewesbury wrote:But Six Grapes is not a Vintage Port, it's their best reserve, or have I missed something?
The biggest market for Six Grapes is the USA, with not very much of it sent here as the Brits seem to have a preference for things with dates on the label and a general belief that everything else is "just ruby". I suspect the Old Vines version will mostly go to the regular market otherwise there would be an uprising in the colonies. Perhaps this is the Symington's way of making up for not releasing some of their Single Harvest Tawnies over the pond?LGTrotter wrote:Does anyone know who will be selling this?
By forcing a vote as to whether the strangers should be removed from the Commons, uttering this phrase then has a similar effect to filibustering, no?LGTrotter wrote:Saying 'I spy strangers' in the House of Commons (British parliament) is a ruse to disrupt proceedings. It dates back to times when spys or even actual attack was a possibility. It was used on occasion to devastating effect by Dennis Skinner among others to most theatrical effect. Sergeants at arms running around and Black Rod in a lather.Andy Velebil wrote:Translate to "this side of pond English" please lolLGTrotter wrote:I think he should have said 'I spy strangers' as he sits on the green benches. (As always with my tongue in my cheek.)Andy Velebil wrote:I thought this was the other place
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I hang my head in shame to say that by implying you sit on the green benches of the commons I was using a bit of one-upmanship to say that this was the 'Upper House' as the Lords is referred to. God it sounds complicated. And not in the least amusing.
Six Grapes is a bit different than most companies Ruby Reserve in that Graham's uses it's second best grapes (after VP) to make this, then their third best grapes for their LBV. Most companies it's the other way round.idj123 wrote:To my mind, it's a shame that Six Grapes is not more widely available in the UK-it's a lovely, fleshy, workaday Port, not Vintage but isn't it unfiltered? Be interesting to see how this new mid-price version compares.
I recall seeing that it would be offered around $40/bottle, which at least in Seattle would be double the normal price of the regular Six Grapes.LGTrotter wrote:No I expect I have. I know that it used to be NV but didn't realise that its latest incarnation would be.djewesbury wrote:But Six Grapes is not a Vintage Port, it's their best reserve, or have I missed something?
Is this the super cuvée ruby then. With the same mark up as is seen between vintage port and the 'Bioma vina terraces'? ie about three or four times the price?
And what do Graham's use for their Crusted?Andy Velebil wrote: Graham's uses it's second best grapes (after VP) to make this, then their third best grapes for their LBV. Most companies it's the other way round.
I always wondered why the Six Grapes was more expensive than the LBV at the Graham's lodge. Now that makes sense.Andy Velebil wrote: Graham's uses it's second best grapes (after VP) to make this, then their third best grapes for their LBV. Most companies it's the other way round.
It sounds as if there was some left over top quality juice, which often happens, and they decided to make a very top end Six Grapes out of it. I would assume there would be no ill effects to the regular cuvee.AW77 wrote:I always wondered why the Six Grapes was more expensive than the LBV at the Graham's lodge. Now that makes sense.Andy Velebil wrote: Graham's uses it's second best grapes (after VP) to make this, then their third best grapes for their LBV. Most companies it's the other way round.
Another thing: Now that the best grapes will go into the Old Vines blend, will the standard Six Grapes suffer in quality? Or will there just be so many bottles of the Old Vines blend each year that there is still sufficient juice of the old vines to keep the mixture of the standard Six Grapes?
Don't know, I've never asked as I don't think I've ever had a Graham's Crusted. Do they still make one? I ask as if they do I don't think we get it here in the States as I've never seen one for sale that I recall.AW77 wrote:And what do Graham's use for their Crusted?Andy Velebil wrote: Graham's uses it's second best grapes (after VP) to make this, then their third best grapes for their LBV. Most companies it's the other way round.
Get some, currently drinking Grahams Crusted, bottled 1998. Very toothsome. £15/btAndy Velebil wrote:Don't know, I've never asked as I don't think I've ever had a Graham's Crusted. Do they still make one? I ask as if they do I don't think we get it here in the States as I've never seen one for sale that I recall.AW77 wrote:And what do Graham's use for their Crusted?Andy Velebil wrote: Graham's uses it's second best grapes (after VP) to make this, then their third best grapes for their LBV. Most companies it's the other way round.
This is a beast of a Crusted. I had this one last year and think that it still needs more time. How long do you decant it?LGTrotter wrote:Grahams Crusted, bottled 1998.
Not too fussy about this, I have just opened it and poured it out with no ill effects, I should leave it a bit longer for the sake of decorum though.AW77 wrote:This is a beast of a Crusted. I had this one last year and think that it still needs more time. How long do you decant it?LGTrotter wrote:Grahams Crusted, bottled 1998.
At £25, that would be well worth some experimentation. Where might one purchase this?djewesbury wrote:I just read something elsewhere about a new limited edition, special release Port being issued.. The difference being that this one will be retailing for $40 / btl. That's a very encouraging sign – that the producers aren't just taking the buyers and drinkers for granted, and that they still see a point in making something special that's also affordable.
I touched upon this earlier, America was as near as I got to an answer.jdaw1 wrote:At £25, that would be well worth some experimentation. Where might one purchase this?djewesbury wrote:I just read something elsewhere about a new limited edition, special release Port being issued.. The difference being that this one will be retailing for $40 / btl. That's a very encouraging sign – that the producers aren't just taking the buyers and drinkers for granted, and that they still see a point in making something special that's also affordable.
Have either or you ever heard of Wine Searcher?LGTrotter wrote:I touched upon this earlier, America was as near as I got to an answer.jdaw1 wrote:Where might one purchase this?
No, my butler sends my merchant a note when more wine is needed.DRT wrote:Have either or you ever heard of Wine Searcher?
Very good, can you not leave it to the man to find out where to send his note then? Surely you can't do all his work for him? I mean to say, you already drink all the stuff he orders…LGTrotter wrote:No, my butler sends my merchant a note when more wine is needed.DRT wrote:Have either or you ever heard of Wine Searcher?
You know, it's so hard to find good servants these days. If you want it done properly, you have to do it yourself. It was so much better before the Great War.djewesbury wrote:Very good, can you not leave it to the man to find out where to send his note then? Surely you can't do all his work for him? I mean to say, you already drink all the stuff he orders…LGTrotter wrote:No, my butler sends my merchant a note when more wine is needed.DRT wrote:Have either or you ever heard of Wine Searcher?
I can't find it using either Wine Searcher or Owen's butler. I've tried both routes.DRT wrote:Have either or you ever heard of Wine Searcher?LGTrotter wrote:I touched upon this earlier, America was as near as I got to an answer.jdaw1 wrote:Where might one purchase this?
That's because we bought it all while you were drinking claret.AHB wrote:I can't find it using either Wine Searcher or Owen's butler. I've tried both routes.
There was an announcement on the SFE's USA importer's Facebook page. A picture of the bottle as well. But no release date or other info that I saw, as of yet.djewesbury wrote:i don't believe it's been released yet. Is there an announcement about it on any Graham's / Fell's website (i.e. can someone else be bothered checking?)
+1LGTrotter wrote:I wish they had gone for driven corks. Despite the endorsement of trusted advisors on this forum for T stoppers I think it seems a bit tacky on a bottle that otherwise has gravitas.
I disagree. I think there are plenty of us very happy to drink bottles with stoppered corks. I don't feel non-U for drinking them. It makes perfect sense for them to make this more market-friendly by having a stopper. Stop finding something to whinge about!DRT wrote:+1LGTrotter wrote:I wish they had gone for driven corks. Despite the endorsement of trusted advisors on this forum for T stoppers I think it seems a bit tacky on a bottle that otherwise has gravitas.
Do you want me to be silent forever?djewesbury wrote: Stop finding something to whinge about!
Well there's a turn up for the books.djewesbury wrote:I disagree.
Oh go and hoover the landing.DRT wrote:I can't believe that you two are over here arguing when the cricket is so riveting.