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B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 21:42 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by jdaw1
I almost choked on my zinfandel. No no no, please,
B&F.
Poll edited by DRT @ 12:22 on 19/12/14, and then by jdaw1 on the same day
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 21:47 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by DRT
The official name is Boot and Flogger. BAF, not B&F.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 21:50 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by DRT
In the question for the poll in this thread jdaw1 wrote:Boot & Flogger?
Which is misleading propaganda designed to influence the electorate.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 21:50 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
Sorry, could you two please just concentrate on nominating your WOTN? Your choices include N63, T35, G33, G27Cr, 1904 unk, W55... Or maybe you liked the 1842 sherry?
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 21:52 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:Sorry, could you two please just concentrate on nominating your WOTN? Your choices include N63, T35, G33, G27Cr, 1904 unk, W55... Or maybe you liked the 1842 sherry?
No. We are debating important stuff here. We need a team view. PM me the votes and I will cast them by proxy.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 21:52 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
B&F. Obviously.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 21:54 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:B&F. Obviously.
Sorry, you submitted a spoiled paper.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 21:54 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
B&F
B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:00 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
Our WOTNs were G33, W55 (bt 59), G27Cr. 4th was Rebello Valente 27.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:04 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:B&F
Sorry, this isn't a Robert Mugabe election - one man one vote, and you threw yours away.
BAF wins by proportional representation.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:05 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
JDAW may have something to say about that. When he's finished drinking his Zinfandel.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:13 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by jdaw1
djewesbury wrote:Sorry, could you two please just concentrate on nominating your WOTN? Your choices include N63, T35, G33, G27Cr, 1904 unk, W55... Or maybe you liked the 1842 sherry?
May I vote for the 1842 sherry?
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:16 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by jdaw1
We are not voting for the full name of the Boot & Flogger (B&F), nor for the full name of the Boot and Flogger (which would be BaF). This is a vote for the name of the abbreviation, DRT having used “BAF” (presumably Boot And Flogger, would you believe it?).
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:21 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
No. I wouldn't. It's preposterous.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:21 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:djewesbury wrote:Sorry, could you two please just concentrate on nominating your WOTN? Your choices include N63, T35, G33, G27Cr, 1904 unk, W55... Or maybe you liked the 1842 sherry?
May I vote for the 1842 sherry?
Thought you might.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:23 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
And your favourite port?
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:28 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by LGTrotter
Oh look, it's changed. This is in no way related to the sharp practice in the tappit hen poll. I assumed that BAF would be a good compromise, as the A could stand for and or ampersand.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:30 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
A for ampersand? Get back in the orchard you obscurantist.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:50 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by LGTrotter
djewesbury wrote:A for ampersand? Get back in the orchard you obscurantist.
Tactical voting. Go on join us, BAF, BAF, BAF. four more years, yes we can, etc, etc.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:52 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
Troglodyte. Coelocanth. Bashi-bazouk.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 22:53 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by LGTrotter
djewesbury wrote: Bashi-bazouk.
Come again? Don't worry I'll look it up.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 23:29 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by Justin K
Seems to me some of you men at the tasting are multi tasking. Very dangerous! Just do one thing and do it well, so please concentrate on all that lovely port and let all us (voyeurs?) pour over the tasting notes.
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 23:31 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
Don't pour over the tasting notes, they're written in ink and I won't be able to read them!
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 23:45 Thu 18 Dec 2014
by Justin K
I was planning to pour over an iPhone but no fear it won't be connected to a power outlet!
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 12:10 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by PhilW
Where's the B+F option?
Re: B&F, or BAF
Posted: 12:24 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by DRT
DRT wrote:In the question for the poll in this thread jdaw1 wrote:Boot & Flogger?
Which is misleading propaganda designed to influence the electorate.
PhilW wrote:Where's the B+F option?
Poll edited.
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 13:15 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:Poll edited.
Re-edited.
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 14:39 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by jdaw1
jdaw1, in an email to the B&F, wrote:Hello.
We are having a discussion about how to abbreviate the name of Davy”s first wine bar.
Obvious possibilities include:
• B&F
• B+F
• BAF
• BaF
Please, what abbreviation is used within Davy’s?
Happy Christmas,
— Julian Wiseman.
Tom, by email, wrote:Hi Julian,
We use the abbreviation BFL.
Kind regards,
Tom
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 14:45 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 16:42 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by Glenn E.
We use the abbreviation BFL.
Beer for loggers?
B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 18:24 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:jdaw1, in an email to the B&F, wrote:Hello.
We are having a discussion about how to abbreviate the name of Davy”s first wine bar.
Obvious possibilities include:
• B&F
• B+F
• BAF
• BaF
Please, what abbreviation is used within Davy’s?
Happy Christmas,
— Julian Wiseman.
Tom, by email, wrote:Hi Julian,
We use the abbreviation BFL.
Kind regards,
Tom
Why, then, is this option not included in the Poll? Should it be? Do we need another Poll?
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 21:04 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by LGTrotter
There is a democratic deficit at the port forum, we need BFL on the poll. Devo max!
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 21:09 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
LGTrotter wrote:There is a democratic deficit at the port forum, we need BFL on the poll. Devo max!
Encore, say I, yes indeed, I back Owen!
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 21:14 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by jdaw1
Airport codes are not eligible. Wrong passport: do not pass Go, do not collect £200.
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 21:21 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
Oh well. I voted anyway.
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 22:27 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:LGTrotter wrote:There is a democratic deficit at the port forum, we need BFL on the poll. Devo max!
Encore, say I, yes indeed, I back Owen!
Agreed. I will edit the Poll.
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 22:28 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
Admin usurped by other admin shocker!!
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 22:30 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by DRT
djewesbury wrote:Admin usurped by other admin shocker!!
There is a precedent. Do you not remember the Honourable Member for Streatham having to concede that the abbreviation for Cockburn should follow that used by the shipper?
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 22:32 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
Aha yes. A victory for common sense was what The Times called it.
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 22:33 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by DRT
Everyone needs to vote again.
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 22:41 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by jdaw1
DRT wrote:Everyone needs to vote again.
Very European. Perhaps very Scottish.
Which is why I didn’t.
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 22:43 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
jdaw1 wrote:DRT wrote:Everyone needs to vote again.
Very European. Perhaps very Scottish.
Which is why I didn’t.
Oo-er. We have a haughty abstainer. The people of Streatham are disenfranchised.
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 22:44 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by DRT
jdaw1 wrote:DRT wrote:Everyone needs to vote again.
Very European. Perhaps very Scottish.
Which is why I didn’t.
Not me. Editing the Poll wiped out all the votes (which it didn't on the other occasions it was edited).

Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 22:46 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by jdaw1
jdaw1 wrote:Which is why I didn’t.
Apologies, I was unclear. I should have written “Which is why I didn’t edit the poll.”
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 22:50 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by LGTrotter
jdaw1 wrote:jdaw1 wrote:Which is why I didn’t.
Apologies, I was unclear. I should have written “Which is why I didn’t edit the poll.”
Always a problem. Julian being inexact and wishy-washy.
The poll is on a knife edge. We are expecting late returns from Belfast...
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 22:51 Fri 19 Dec 2014
by djewesbury
:chokes with laughter:
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 11:53 Sat 20 Dec 2014
by LGTrotter
I take it this is the first round poll and we will have a second round where there is a run off between the top two.
And I notice that there have been a total of 101% of votes cast. Like all those people who promise to give 110% at job interviews.

Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 12:59 Sat 20 Dec 2014
by jdaw1
LGTrotter wrote:I take it this is the first round poll and we will have a second round where there is a run off between the top two.
No. This is a simple FPTP vote.
Multiple rounds — pah! (See
Non-Intuitive Features of Electoral Systems for examples of non-monotonicity.)
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 13:53 Sat 20 Dec 2014
by DRT
FPTP - agreed.
So the only remaining question is who is going to be our Nick Clegg?
Re: B&F, or BAF, or B+F, or BaF?
Posted: 23:55 Mon 12 Jan 2015
by jdaw1
“B&F”: 4 votes
“B+F”: 2 votes
“BAF”: 1 vote
“BFL”: 1 vote
“BaF”: 0 votes
We have a result, and by a chunky margin: B&F.