1853 Whitwhams King Pedro V Colheita Port

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1853 Whitwhams King Pedro V Colheita Port

Post by Andy Velebil » 14:58 Thu 24 Jul 2008

At Roy's 50th B-day party July 1, 2007

1853 Whitwham’s King Pedro V: Ok, lots of controversy was brought up about this wine, and I mean lots. The discussion was about weather this was really a Colheita from a single year or if it had been “freshened† up with a younger Colheita. It was so much darker and fresher than any Port of its age (or younger) during the whole weekend. And now that I’ve had a lot of older Colheita’s since that time, I am inclined to believe that this may be too good to be true. Yes, it was an outstanding Port and was the wine of the flight, but was it really from only one vintage in 1853???


Extremely dark color. Lots of maple syrup, carmel, hazelnuts, great explosive acidity, tons of structure, big bodied, with an extra long finish. 97-98 points.

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Is Whitwam’s a bottler, or did they produce their own ports?

Post by jdaw1 » 18:18 Thu 24 Jul 2008

Is Whitwam’s a bottler, or did they produce their own ports? If what vineyards’ grapes made the product?

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Post by AHB » 13:59 Fri 25 Jul 2008

Whitwam's is a UK bottler, whose name often crops up in connection with recorking and rebottling of old ports.
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Whitwam’s port is really just “Unknown House†.

Post by jdaw1 » 14:01 Fri 25 Jul 2008

So if they don’t make port, nor blend others’ port, they shouldn’t appear in the TN index under that name. Whitwam’s port is really just “Unknown House†.

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Post by AHB » 14:06 Fri 25 Jul 2008

While you are strictly correct, the 1853 Dom Pedro is known as "Whitwam's Dom Pedro port".

Note that because none of the documentation required for registering this port with the IVDP, it cannot be called "vintage port" nor "colheita".

So consider this a vote in favour of keeping this on the database as "Whitwam's Dom Pedro Port".
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Post by Simon Lisle » 17:21 Fri 25 Jul 2008

Did Whitwam's become Farr vintners?

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Post by AHB » 17:32 Fri 25 Jul 2008

Not that I am aware of. However, I am curious to know what information has caused you to make the suggestion?
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Post by Simon Lisle » 07:54 Sat 26 Jul 2008

I had an offer sent to me for this port I think it was from farr's but I could be wrong it said that they found this cask some years ago and bottled it.The price was to expensive so I did not take a great deal of notice.

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Post by uncle tom » 10:03 Sat 26 Jul 2008

I was vaguely under the impression that they were still in business, but a spot of Googling revealed nothing - have they merged or folded recently?

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Post by Andy Velebil » 01:00 Sun 27 Jul 2008

I could be mistaken, but I do think that Whitwhams is still in business.

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Post by RonnieRoots » 12:50 Mon 28 Jul 2008

As to the colour and freshness: is it known in what type of cask this was kept? If it was in a large (10.000 liter) cask instead of a pipa, that would certainly explain why it was so dark. I am not certain what it does to the freshness, but I can imagine the port would remain fresher in a bigger cask. Just a thought.

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Post by Andy Velebil » 13:04 Mon 28 Jul 2008

My understanding is that this was in 2 or 3 regular colheita casks that were found in the back of some producers storage area, long ago since forgotten. Then it was bottled for Whitwhams by Niepoort (sometimes people claim this is a Niepoort, which is not true). The color is nowhere near as pale as it really should be.

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Re: 1853 Whitwham’s King Pedro V Colheita Port

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