1983 Kopke Sao Luiz

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uncle tom
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1983 Kopke Sao Luiz

Post by uncle tom » 17:54 Mon 01 Sep 2008

Three bottles quaffed in close succession, the runts of a large, rough, and very inexpensive litter.

These bottles were more oxidised and developed than I would have normally expected, so an atypical note.

Very similar to Kopke '70 - a full wine with bags of sugar and a deep noble tawny hue that has barely a hint of red. A little VA was noticeable when the wine was first decanted, but this dispersed after a few hours. Most of the last bottle was left in the decanter for a few days while i paced the coastline of north Devon. On my return, I found it noticeably improved.

Sound quaffing juice - score 3-2

Tom
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Re: 1983 Kopke St Luis vintage port

Post by jdaw1 » 17:52 Thu 04 Sep 2008

For the purposes of the about-to-be-updated TN index, is there any difference between ‟Kopke St Luis” and plain old ‟Kopke”?

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Re: 1983 Kopke St Luis vintage port

Post by uncle tom » 23:01 Thu 04 Sep 2008

For the purposes of the about-to-be-updated TN index, is there any difference between ‟Kopke St Luis” and plain old ‟Kopke”?
As far as I know, no; but it might be worth dropping them an email to ascertain whether all their VP's come from just the one quinta.

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Re: 1983 Kopke St Luis vintage port

Post by DRT » 23:15 Thu 04 Sep 2008

James Suckling, in his book entitled Vintage Port (1990) wrote:The only problem with Kopke vintage ports in recent years is that they sometimes lack the complexity of wines from the major houses like Taylor or Graham. This could be due to Kopke's reliance on Quinta da Santa Luiz, where a large part of the Barros group Ports is made. "Kopke is normally sold as a single-quinta wine" said Barros...A selection of the estate's best wines in a particular year go into the Kopke vintage blend. The Kopke vintage Ports may or may not be labeled Quinta da Santa Luiz.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"

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Re: 1983 Kopke St Luis vintage port

Post by jdaw1 » 00:59 Fri 05 Sep 2008

Tom: please could you email me or post a picture of the label?

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Re: 1983 Kopke St Luis vintage port

Post by RonnieRoots » 07:05 Sat 06 Sep 2008

I always found it very confusing. I've seen Kopke 1985 bottled both as straight "Kopke" and as "Kopke Quinta S. Luiz". I asked the Dutch importer if there was any difference. They said "no". But still, there was a notable difference between the two bottles, the regular "Kopke" being the better by far...

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Re: 1983 Kopke St Luis vintage port

Post by Axel P » 21:51 Wed 10 Sep 2008

Well I had this experience myself with the 2005 Krohn Single Quinta "Bom Retiro" and the regular VP. Messias will be doing it, too, with their 2007 VP: they will take a Quinta do Cachao and a regular Messias VP 2007 to the market.

On the other hand Royal Oporto and Quinta dos Carvalhos (VP 2005) are identical. They are only labeled differently to the respective markets.

Well if it would be too easy there wouldnt be a forum (?).

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