New York February 14 1970 VP Tasting

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 23:08 Mon 24 Dec 2007

If we do a 1970 tasting sometime in late winter-early spring 2008 (which I think would be interesting and for which I could supply all or most of the bottles, depending on what folks have), I would volunteer my home in Brooklyn, which is in the Carroll Gardens neighborhood and about a half-hour from mid-town Manhattan on the F line.

I have on hand Graham, Fonseca, Dow, Croft, Quinta do Cachao and Santos Junior (in magnums). I could also supply Delaforce, Kopke, Noval, Sandeman, Taylor and (of all the strange things) Taylor Quinta de Vargellas.

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:35 Mon 24 Dec 2007

In a since-edited post [url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=7788#7788]here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=7786#7786]Here[/url] jfacciol wrote:If we do a 1970 tasting sometime in 2008 (which I think would be interesting and for which I could supply all or most of the bottles, depending on what folks have), I would volunteer my home in Brooklyn, which is in the Carroll Gardens neighborhood and about a half-hour from mid-town Manhattan on the F line.
Fantastic. Yes please. Do start a new thread in the Organising off-lines section, proposing exactly this, and suggesting a date or dates after 11th February (’cause I’m in the UK and Boston ﬁrst two weeks of February). Please PM a link to the new thread to those who might be interested, including jdaw1, AHB, Jeff, Raveesh, EricD, Bob Heckart, mittvin, mzimberg, seth1917, and hwangs.

From the UK it might be possible for me to bring a small number of 1970s: one or two of Cockburn, Croft, Delaforce, Hutcheson, Noval, Sandeman, Warre. To be discussed in your new thread.

After new thread is started I’ll delete this post, to keep this thread on-subject.

AHB is in Boston the second week of February: if it were soon after that weekend (being the 9th/10th February) it might be possible for him to play. But I’m in whenever it is.

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:43 Mon 24 Dec 2007

What 1970s do we have?

✿ Jay:
- ★ Graham;
  ☆ Fonseca;
  ✩ Dow;
  ✪ Croft;
  ✫ Quinta do Cachao;
  ✬ Santos Junior (in magnums);
  ✭ Delaforce;
  ✮ Kopke;
  ✯ Noval;
  ✰ Sandeman;
  ✱ Taylor;
  ✲ Taylor Quinta de Vargellas;
❀ JDAW, albeit in the UK (with duplicates in small font):
- ✳ Cockburn;
  ✴ Hutcheson;
  ✵ Warre;
  ✶ Croft;
  ✷ Delaforce;
  ✸ Noval;
  ✹ Sandeman;
  ✺ Taylor;
❁ DRT, again in the UK, has offered:
- ✻ Dalva;
  ✼ Royal Oporto;
❂ SL, again in the UK, has offered:
- ✽ Ferreira.

That’s looking like a ﬁne evening!

(I will edit this list as others post.)

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 02:49 Tue 25 Dec 2007

I'd be very interested in attending a 1970 tasting when I am next in New York, although there are only the nights of Feb 13 and 14 that I could participate. Of these two dates, Feb 14 would be the best for me, but I can understand why that may not work for everyone!

Jay - I love the idea of tasting both the Taylor and Vargellas from 1970. If you would be happy to supply the bottles and allow me to contribute towards their cost, that would be really great.

After tomorrow, I will not own any 1970 vintage ports so won't be able to easily contribute a bottle of my own.

Alex

EricD · Post by **EricD** » 04:04 Tue 25 Dec 2007

Count me in! I will be glad to adopt a bottle, as I currently do not own any 1970's. Feb 13 or 14th will probably work for me.

Post by **jdaw1** » 04:09 Tue 25 Dec 2007

Wednesday 13th February 2008 highly likely to work for me.
Thursday 14th February 2008 is being broached, in a roundabout sort of way, with the boss.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 05:20 Tue 25 Dec 2007

feb 13 is also highly likely for me ..

feb 14th ... is very suspect with my boss =) I too shall broach the topic in a roundabout sort of way.

Post by **jdaw1** » 12:51 Tue 25 Dec 2007

jdaw1 wrote:
Thursday 14th February 2008 is being broached, in a roundabout sort of way, with the boss.

And I now have, in classic female form, an answer that is yes and no and both and neither, allowing any change of mind to happen before, during or after the relevant day. So the 13th would probably be wiser.

Raveesh · Post by **Raveesh** » 23:13 Tue 25 Dec 2007

Would love to attend but won't be able to confirm until a month or so prior due to unconfirmed work/travel schedule. May be in the City of Angels on business that week, but if not, either date suits.

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 04:43 Wed 26 Dec 2007

I cannot make any Wednesday evening, as I teach then. 14 Feb would work for me as would later dates.

Conky · Post by **Conky** » 08:42 Wed 26 Dec 2007

I've been looking for a previous reference, but cant find one. Apologies if I've missed it.

Have any of you brave male warriors considered that the 14th February is Valentines Day, and your better halves will probably delight at the thought of you lot having a boozy Do, rather than 'wine'ing and dining them?

Just a thought. I'd hate to see blood...

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:20 Wed 26 Dec 2007

Conky wrote:Have any of you brave male warriors considered that the 14th February is Valentines Day, and your better halves will probably delight at the thought of you lot having a boozy Do, rather than 'wine'ing and dining them?

AHB wrote:I'd be very interested in attending a 1970 tasting when I am next in New York, although there are only the nights of Feb 13 and 14 that I could participate. Of these two dates, Feb 14 would be the best for me, but I can understand why that may not work for everyone!

Subsequent posters have hinted at the problem (did you notice references to the “boss†?), and we’ve agreed on the 13th for a reason. So yes, we have “considered† it.

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 19:09 Fri 28 Dec 2007

We are now confirmed for Feb 14.

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:39 Fri 28 Dec 2007

Mr and Mrs Wiseman are delighted to accept your invitation to a horizontal 1970 port tasting, chez vous, on Thursday 14th February 2008.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 23:33 Fri 28 Dec 2007

jdaw1 wrote:Mr and Mrs Wiseman are delighted to accept your invitation to a horizontal 1970 port tasting, chez vous, on Thursday 14th February 2008.

It will be delightful to meet Mrs Wiseman and to make her acquaintance on, of all days, St Valentine's Day 2008.

Alex

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 23:36 Fri 28 Dec 2007

Sean C may also be available on Feb 14th in New York - would there be a seat available for him for the 1970 get together?

Thanks,

Alex

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 20:44 Sat 29 Dec 2007

We are up to four confirmed with a possible fifth (Sean C). I can accommodate ten folks so there are six/five places left.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:07 Sat 29 Dec 2007

jfacciol wrote:We are up to four confirmed with a possible fifth (Sean C). I can accommodate ten folks so there are six/five places left.

I see Jay, EricD, AHB, Mr & Mrs W. Which is ﬁve, and maybe Sean C. as a sixth. Jeff has yet to report back on the word from his boss, which, if he adopts my solution, might mean eight.

Post by **jdaw1** » 00:08 Sun 06 Jan 2008

jdaw1 wrote:Mr and Mrs Wiseman are delighted to accept your invitation to a horizontal 1970 port tasting, chez vous, on Thursday 14th February 2008.

Mrs W now sends regrets, claiming that being with her mother outranks a port tasting. I don’t know; what’s the world coming to?; etc etc continued page 94.

jdaw1 wrote:
jfacciol wrote:We are up to four confirmed with a possible fifth (Sean C). I can accommodate ten folks so there are six/five places left.
I see Jay, EricD, AHB, Mr & Mrs W. Which is ﬁve, and maybe Sean C. as a sixth. Jeff has yet to report back on the word from his boss, which, if he adopts my solution, might mean eight.

Using my new spectacles I now see Jay, EricD, AHB, Mr W (aka jdaw1), and maybe Sean C as a ﬁfth. Mr Ghi and proto-Mrs Ghi we know to be no-shows.

Post by **jdaw1** » 02:06 Sun 06 Jan 2008

And, just because it encourages tingling of my taste buds, draft of placemats (therefore embodying an ultra vires selection).

Post by **DRT** » 06:38 Sun 06 Jan 2008

Unfortunately, I cannot attend but if maximum coverage of the 1970 vintage is sought then I could sell someone a Dalva and a Royal Oporto (neither on the list above) at an extremely attractive price.

Getting them from the UK to NY would be someone else's issue.

Derek

Simon Lisle · Post by **Simon Lisle** » 10:27 Sun 06 Jan 2008

I have Ferreira and offer it on the same terms as Derek

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:56 Sun 06 Jan 2008

Thank you. But we have plenty for the current number of people, and our host has capped that at ten. Fourteen singles and a magnum is as many different flavours as ten of us are likely to need in an evening.

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 01:21 Tue 08 Jan 2008

We are up to four, possibly five. We could use some help!!

Post by **jdaw1** » 01:58 Tue 08 Jan 2008

I am endeavouring to chase same. But help in ﬁnding help would be welcome.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 20:18 Tue 08 Jan 2008

Have we posted on FTLOP? I know that there are a number of FTLOP members in the NY/NJ area and they may be able to join us.

I am also dropping emails to a couple of people I know who might be interested, but the date is proving to be a bit of a challenge.

Alex

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 23:33 Tue 08 Jan 2008

Yes, I have posted both to FTLOP and Wine Spectator.

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 04:26 Wed 09 Jan 2008

Just an FYI....It was posted on FTLOP, however it was only posted as a direct link here. Unfortunitely, that violates the long standing rules on the forum and was deleted. However, posting the details of the offline is not, but posting a straight link to any other forum is.

Post by **jdaw1** » 04:28 Wed 09 Jan 2008

Just to be clear, on TPF you are not only allowed to include relevant links, you are positively invited to do so. Carry on.

Roy Hersh · Post by **Roy Hersh** » 05:12 Wed 09 Jan 2008

Please blame me and not Andy.

We've been down this path before and I know it is all good here, but when putting in our rules of the road months ago, this was one of them.

Whether Julian, Alex, Eric or Jay would like to apply a post in the FTLOP's Portugal Travel, Food & Offline Planner Forum, please feel free to do so.

Although I would like to have attended as well, since I will be seeing you gents in Boston a few days earlier, I don't want to abuse the hospitality. If there are any particular 1970s that you are seeking, let me know. The only ones I can't part with are the last of my '70 Niepoort's & Nacional.

Roy

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 10:49 Wed 09 Jan 2008

Roy,

There's no problem with the links rule on FTLOP, it's a rule that you've been clear on for some time and one that occasionally gets missed but I don't think causes any hardship.

If I get the chance then I will encourage Jay to post a general invititation on FTLOP, but I may not be able to do so for a couple of days.

Alex

Roy Hersh · Post by **Roy Hersh** » 20:46 Wed 09 Jan 2008

Alex,

Thanks for understanding. You are a mensch!

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:25 Wed 09 Jan 2008

[Drifting further off topic] Roy, it’s your site and your rule, to have and to hold or to ditch and ignore. Why not tell us why it is there?

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 23:12 Wed 09 Jan 2008

Roy, if you are going to be in NYC on the 14th, why not join us?

Roy Hersh · Post by **Roy Hersh** » 17:54 Thu 10 Jan 2008

Jay,

Thank you for being magnanimous!

At the end of your planning, if you have a seat left, I might be able to swing through NY after Boston to attend. It would be an honor to meet you and share a great 1970 that is not included in your lineup. I don't know yet if I can even make it though, but should know no later than Monday. It is a matter of reconfiguring plans and I hope to be successful.

Again, my sincere appreciation!

Roy

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 19:51 Sat 12 Jan 2008

I have invited a friend of mine, Bob Lipinsky, to join us and he has accepted. Bob is a port neophyte but quite interested. He will be excellent company.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 22:09 Sat 12 Jan 2008

Ted Zhang and his wife are hoping to join us. Ted is a port lover with whom I have been exchanging emails for a while and I promised to meet up with him when I was next in New York.

Alex

Roy Hersh · Post by **Roy Hersh** » 00:52 Mon 14 Jan 2008

Looks like this is going to work out after all. Now I just have to see how to triangulate flights with Seattle, Boston and New York.

Roy

Post by **jdaw1** » 00:58 Mon 14 Jan 2008

Roy Hersh wrote:Looks like this is going to work out after all. Now I just have to see how to triangulate flights with Seattle, Boston and New York.

Save some CO2. NY ↔ Boston can be by train.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 10:42 Mon 14 Jan 2008

jdaw1 wrote:
Roy Hersh wrote:Looks like this is going to work out after all. Now I just have to see how to triangulate flights with Seattle, Boston and New York.
Save some CO2. NY ↔ Boston can be by train.

Boston - NY is 3½ hours by train on the Amtrack Acela express. Arrives at Penn Station in New York.

Alex

Roy Hersh · Post by **Roy Hersh** » 09:22 Tue 15 Jan 2008

Thanks for that info guys. I think you forget I am a native NYer and spent a combined 30 years living in NYC.

Looking forward to meeting Jay and others at this event!

Roy

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 13:44 Tue 15 Jan 2008

I count six confirmed and three possibilities. Confirmed: Jay, Julian, Eric, Alex, Roy, Bob L. Possibilities: Ted and his wife, Sean C.

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:03 Tue 15 Jan 2008

As a matter of good form, I think people should pay before the event. When numbers are clearer, please PM or email those coming with an amount, and your preferred means of being paid.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 16:16 Tue 15 Jan 2008

Roy Hersh wrote:Thanks for that info guys. I think you forget I am a native NYer and spent a combined 30 years living in NYC.

Looking forward to meeting Jay and others at this event!

Oops. Yes, I did forget. Sorry.

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 05:25 Fri 18 Jan 2008

We are now up to eight participants; Ted and Danielle Zang have joined us and are graciously bringing a bottle of 1970 Nacional. Roy has also graciously offered a bottle of 1970 Niepoort. Combine these two bottles with the seven that Julian listed in his draft placemats and we are well set for eight.

I could still accomodate two more folks so, if anyone is lurking out there and is still undecided, please let us all know. There would be no problem at this point in laying on more bottles. There could be a problem if someone joins us in just the last couple of days before 14 Feb as most of my stock is in storage just north of Hartford, Ct.

I am planning on supplying bread, crackers and cheese for the first couple of hours while we are doing serious tasting. At that point, my thought is that we can order in food if there is interest. There are plenty of excellent takeout joints nearby (excellent "real" pizza, or at least pizza made by Italians; excellent Lebanese; very good Thai; and so forth).

My thought is that we would start at 7 pm, although I would have no objection to starting at 6 pm if that was better for folks. I will forward my address to all of you shortly along with a breakdown of costs for the five of us (me, Julian, Eric, Alex and Bob) who are not bringing bottles.

What are everyone's thoughts on decanting times for the proposed nine bottles?

Post by **jdaw1** » 06:07 Fri 18 Jan 2008

My suggested bottles were chosen at semi-random, and entirely ultra vires. Please do allow better reasoning about bottle choice. AHB may well have something coherent to say.
7pm works for me.
An alternative accounting system would assign a value to all the bottles being brought, whether by our host or otherwise, with payments then going from those with sub-average bringing to those with above-average.
You are doing plenty. Should I seize ancient powers and undertake to bring a selection of cheeses and breads?
Please speak of glasses.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 09:52 Sat 19 Jan 2008

I'm very happy to go with the flow over the choice of ports we drink on Feb 14th - I am just thrilled and delighted to be visiting a foreign city and to be able to share some mighty fine ports with people I have and have not met before. It always makes travelling more bearable when this happens.

Jay and I have exchanged a few emails about possible ports, my only specific request was that I would love to be able to try the Taylor 1970 blend against the Vargellas 1970 SQ. I'm delighted to be able to try for the first time the Nacional (thanks Ted!) and the Niepoort (thanks Roy!). Other than that, most of the ports on the original list are ones that I have not drunk in the last couple of years since I do not generally drink many from the 1970 vintage - I'm not really sure why that is, it just seems to happen.

Alex

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 19:44 Sat 19 Jan 2008

Julian, ancient powers? All very mysterious. Anyway, it is a kind offer to bring the cheese and crackers but let it stay with me as I am the host.

On glasses, I have picked up 72 of the tasting glasses to which you introduced me. It would probably be helpful if you brought a few extra in case of any breakage.

Jay

Post by **jdaw1** » 04:30 Wed 23 Jan 2008

I might have enveigled into joining us, subject to wifely approval, a drinking chum of two decades standing (possessive—two decades’ standing? No. compound adjective—two-decades standing? Yuck.).

More to follow, on approval of his boss.

seth1917 · Post by **seth1917** » 17:45 Wed 23 Jan 2008

sorry for getting into the organizing so late - but I won't be able to make it. too bad - sound like it will be a great tasting - that'll show me to jump into the game earlier.

seth

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