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Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 23:40 Sat 25 Jul 2009

An ongoing grumble is developing on the subject of Port in Paris. To spare other readers the flagellation it can come to this thread.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 23:40 Sat 25 Jul 2009

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=27915#p27915]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:Monoprix on Boulevard de Sébastopol has:
  • Graham’s Porto, Finest Reserve (€12,30);
  • Graham’s LBV 2000 (€24,69);
  • Porto de Oro 10Y Tawny (€12,85);
  • Hooper’s LBV 2002 (€12,99);
  • Porto Cruz Special Reserve (€9,95);
  • Porto de Oro Tawny (€6,29);
  • Sandeman Ruby Porto (€8,08);
  • Ferreira Porto Tawny (€8,92);
  • Porto do Oro Blanc (€6,29);
  • Porto Pitters Tawny (€7,39);
  • Porto Ereiro Tawny (€5,90);
  • Porto Cruz Blanc (€7,88);
  • Porto Cruz Tawny (€7,88);
  • Porto Cruz Pink (€7,35).

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 23:41 Sat 25 Jul 2009

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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=27982#p27982]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:I have found that which claims to be the best port shop in France, Lavina, at 3 Boulevard de la Madeleine (near Place d’Opera), 75001 Paris, +33 1 42 97 20 20. Graham 1970! Except that they want €288 a bottle. Likewise Taylor 1963 for a mere €503. Nacional 1970 costs €994,80; and Fonseca 2000 at €295 a magnum or €153,25 a bottle.

Also two bottles of use for tastings: Fojo 1998 at €60,80; and Fojo 1996 at €56.

The shop assistant was most interesting. As with other cavists, he insists that the French neither understand nor drink good port. Indeed, Lavinia used to have more, but they’re not buying any, are selling their stocks gradually, and seem to intend not to replace any.

He took my card, and promised to give my details to any portheads who happen to visit.

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Re: Port in Paris

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[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=28000#p28000]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:Nysa Vins & spiritueux on 94 rue Montorgueil had:
• Quinta de Santa Barbara, Special Reserve Tawny, at €17,50 a bottle;
• Porto Osmann 10Y, at €27,50.
The former is interesting: I thought that Santa Barbara is owned by the IVDP and used for experiments. Maybe I misremembered.
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=28001#p28001]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:Next I must mention Nicolas Image. They are everywhere. In the UK they would be said to have a monopoly, but doubtless French libel lawyers would tell me that the term is ‟national champion” or some other guff. Apparently there are 250ish of them in Paris. I have photos of the dodgy-looking stuff they sell, but the data below also uses the website.
• Graham's Quinta Dos Malvedos 1998, €42.60;
• King's Port Blanc, €9;
• King's Port Red Crown 20Y, €33.10;
• King's Port Ruby Reserva Especial, €7.75;
• King's Port Tawny, €8.90;
• Lágrima Adriano Ramos-Pinto €14.75;
• Noval Fine Ruby, €10.55;
• Noval Fine White, €10.65;
• Noval Tawny 10Y, €23.20;
• Noval Tawny 20Y, €40;
• Quinta de Sao Pedro das Aguias Ruby, €10.65;
• Ramos Pinto 10Y Tawny, Quinta de Ervamoira, €25.75;
• Rozès Vintage 1997, €25.10 (website says LBV, but it is vintage);
• Sao Pedro das Aguias 10Y, €16.10;
• Taylor's LBV 2001, €20.75;
• Taylor 10Y, €28.10.
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=28002#p28002]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:Le Repaire de Bacchus is a much smaller chain of shops. The one at 6 Rue Bayen, 75017 Paris, +33 1 47 66 76 75 was tended by a fine damsel vaguely interested in port, who now has my card. Meanwhile:
• Andresen 1991 colheita, €32.50;
• Andresen 1995 colheita, €25.90;
• Andresen 2003 vintage, €59;
• Andresen tawny, €13.75;
• Andresen white, €14.90;
• Ramos-Pinto 2003 LBV, €25;
• Halves of Smith Woodhouse 2000 vintage, €29.75.

I think, but am not absolutely sure, that it was in a previous visit to a branch of this chain that I saw the Noval 1968 colheita for €144.85.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by Andy Velebil » 16:12 Sun 26 Jul 2009

:shock: Wow, not much to chose from and at some of those prices...double :shock: :shock:

Is it easy to import in from the UK or other nearby countries? Or you may need to take the train to another country for some "supplies." :990033:

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 18:45 Sun 26 Jul 2009

There are plans afoot for Derek to deliver an emergency red cross parcel. Maybe ten cases or so.

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Post by Andy Velebil » 19:06 Sun 26 Jul 2009

jdaw1 wrote:There are plans afoot for Derek to deliver an emergency red cross parcel. Maybe ten cases or so.
Will that be enough to hold you temporarily? :lol:

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by Glenn E. » 23:13 Sun 26 Jul 2009

jdaw1 wrote:There are plans afoot for Derek to deliver an emergency red cross parcel. Maybe ten cases or so.
If you have suitable storage and wouldn't mind temporarily holding some bottles, it might be more efficient to add the 4 bottles that Derek is currently holding for me to this emergency delivery to you in Paris. I could then pick them up in person between Oct 22 and Oct 25.

I'm also in the process of ordering 4 bottles from Goncalo at Vinologia, and could have those shipped to you as well. Again, if you have suitable storage and wouldn't mind holding them temporarily.

If not, our current plan is to ship all 8 bottles to my hotel in Maastricht so we're already suitably covered. I have an 8-bottle wine suitcase for carrying them back to the US.
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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 08:13 Mon 27 Jul 2009

Andy V wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:There are plans afoot for Derek to deliver an emergency red cross parcel. Maybe ten cases or so.
Will that be enough to hold you temporarily?
Not really: Derek is visiting that weekend.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by mosesbotbol » 14:03 Mon 27 Jul 2009

Wow, that is a tough selection...
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Re: Port in Paris

Post by Glenn E. » 17:59 Mon 27 Jul 2009

Good news! I'll actually be in Paris 2 days longer than I thought: Oct 22-Oct 27. I thought we were flying home on Sunday, but my wife informs me that we are not flying home until early on the following Tuesday.
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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 13:00 Tue 28 Jul 2009

Alas 5ème Cru appears to be at the extreme of Paris port availability, having exactly none.

Special worst-website prize goes to Cavestève, proudly declaring ‟À bientôt sur notre nouveau site!”, said new site containing close to no content. Second place goes to Caves Augé, it avoiding the wooden spoon by having copy-pastable text and none of the smugness.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 13:05 Tue 28 Jul 2009

Now working my way through Dr Vino’s list of Paris wine shops and wine bars.

Au Verger de la Madeleine, +33 1 42 65 51 99:
1977 Taylor's, 250€
1985 Do Noval Nacional, 420€
1997 Do Noval, 214€
1998 Dow's, 79€
2000 Graham's, 85€
2000 Dow's, 80€
2000 Ramos Pinto, 67€

La Cave de Tolbiac, 45 rue de Tolbiac, Paris 13ème (on the website click Alcools, which says something about how the French view port), has Burmester 2003 at €39, Ramos Pinto 10Y at €29.90, and many less prestigious Ramos Pinto ports.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 20:46 Tue 28 Jul 2009

Note to self: must visit the following.
De Vinis Illustribus needs to be visited in person at 48 rue de la Montagne, Ste Geneviève, 75005 Paris, +33 1 43 36 12 12, ouvert de 11h à 20h Tuesday to Saturday.
La dernière goutte (The last drop), 6 Rue de Bourbon le Château, 75006 Paris, +33 1 43 29 11 62;
• Julien Caviste, 50 Rue Charlot, 75003 Paris, +33 1 42 72 01 97 (map);
• Nono”Ž, 43 Rue Tourtille, 75020 Paris”Ž, +33 1 43 49 37 79”Ž.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by uncle tom » 21:37 Tue 28 Jul 2009

1977 Taylor's, 250€
1985 Do Noval Nacional, 420€
1997 Do Noval, 214€
1998 Dow's, 79€
2000 Graham's, 85€
2000 Dow's, 80€
2000 Ramos Pinto, 67€
Je pense que les meilleurs sont trop chers.. :?

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 22:28 Tue 28 Jul 2009

Le Vin en Tête have some interesting tastings, though not of port. Alas my French isn’t (yet) good enough to cope.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 08:04 Wed 29 Jul 2009

Desperate times call for desperate measures: I have joined two MeetUp groups, The Paris Wine Meetup Group and The Paris Wine Tasting.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 18:20 Thu 30 Jul 2009

Ma Cave, 105 Rue Belleville, 75019 Paris, +33 1 42 08 62 95, had much of the usual low-grade port and:
• Burmester 2000 vintage, €86,80;
• Ramos Pinto 2003 vintage, €69,50;
• Ramos Pinto 20Y tawny, €59 (plus some centimes off the right side of my photograph);
• Osborne 1999 LBV, €41,50.

Despite the massive pricing of the ports, it’s a nicely quirky shop with some excellent (though non-cheap) whisky, and some good and fairly priced champagne.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by RonnieRoots » 08:32 Sun 02 Aug 2009

Order from the UK or Portugal and you'll still be much better off. It's what we do as well. Although it is still impossible then for us to get anything into Oman.

Re: Santa Barbara - This is a quinta owned by Poças, and used as a Single Quinta brand by them.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by RonnieRoots » 09:46 Sun 02 Aug 2009

Also two bottles of use for tastings: Fojo 1998 at €60,80; and Fojo 1996 at €56
Those are more or less the same prices as you can find in Portugal. That doesn't make them any cheaper though. If you buy, I would be interested to hear what you think of the wines.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 12:23 Sun 02 Aug 2009

Franprix does, even by French standards, down-market port.
• €2,95: Porto Cruz tawny in a 20cl ‘flask’;
• €7,80: Porto Cruz tawny;
• €7,95: Porto Cruz blanc;
• €8,40: Porto Pitters tawny;
• €8,75: Sandeman ruby;
• €8,82: Rozès tawny;
• €11,95: Ferreira tawny.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by jdaw1 » 12:26 Sun 02 Aug 2009

Small annoyance. Most Parisian number plates end in the two digits that start the French post code. It irks to have, repeatedly shown to me whilst ambling about thinking of nice port, ‟75”.

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Re: Port in Paris

Post by SushiNorth » 21:44 Sun 09 Aug 2009

Speaking of port in paris, have any tastings been planned? I think a few folks from the second 77 tasting are going to be passing through paris.
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Re: Port in Paris

Post by DRT » 22:55 Sun 09 Aug 2009

I don't speak French but it seems that someone here tasted Morgan 1963 in a controlled environment in Paris in the recent past.
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