As long as it's not Bin 27, I will be welcoming you with open arms.Axel P wrote:Dudes,
I will be there, too, and will bring a Magnum Fonseca.
Looking forward talking to you (again)
Axel
Wokingham, Tuesday 20th May 2008
Excellent news!Axel P wrote:Dudes,
I will be there, too, and will bring a Magnum Fonseca.
Looking forward talking to you (again)
Axel
We now have 5 people. How many bottles does that need? Does 8 sound reasonable? If so, that would be 2 x Fonseca plus 6 from 4 of us. Is 10 too greedy?
Derek
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Yes, unless I have a course the following day. In which case work migt be someting that I am incapable of achieving.Derek T. wrote:Does this work?
Fonseca (Magnum) - A?P
Nacional - DRT
Taylor - JDAW
Offley Boa Vista - JDAW
Smith Woodhouse - AHB
Graham's - AHB
Dow - ARK
Warre - ARK
Is any financial re-balancing required?
Derek
PS: I vote "yes" and "no"
See nothing wildly unbalanced, though I have no clue as to the cost of the Nacional 1980.
Port is basically a red drink
I have located a Gould Campbell 1980 at a very reasonable price. Providing the delivery charge is reasonable it will be there to accompany its siblings. As far as I can determine there are no other 1980s available in the UK apart from in stores that do not subscribe to wine-searcher.
Sandeman, Ferriera and Niepoort are available in other countries but their inclusion would be price prohibitive and could be construed as excessive.
Derek
Sandeman, Ferriera and Niepoort are available in other countries but their inclusion would be price prohibitive and could be construed as excessive.
Derek
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Gould Campbell 1980
Excellent.Derek T. wrote:I have located a Gould Campbell 1980 at a very reasonable price. Providing the delivery charge is reasonable it will be there to accompany its siblings.
a reasonable excuse.Derek T. wrote:Sandeman, Ferriera and Niepoort are available in other countries but their inclusion would be price prohibitive
Irrelevant.Derek T. wrote:and could be construed as excessive.
Re: Gould Campbell 1980
I entirely agree with all three responses. I am a firm believer in the notion that if you are going to do a horizontal it should be as long as can be achieved without being silly. That is what we achieved with the 1966s and that, I believe, is what we should aim for with the 1980s. It is only being fair.jdaw1 wrote:Excellent.Derek T. wrote:I have located a Gould Campbell 1980 at a very reasonable price. Providing the delivery charge is reasonable it will be there to accompany its siblings.
a reasonable excuse.Derek T. wrote:Sandeman, Ferriera and Niepoort are available in other countries but their inclusion would be price prohibitiveIrrelevant.Derek T. wrote:and could be construed as excessive.
Derek
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Here is a list of the VPs known to have been produced in 1980:
- A Pinta dos Santos
- Barros
- Borges & Irmao
- Burmester
- Calem
- Calem, Quinta do Foz
- Corte, Quinta do
- Croft, Quinta da Roeda
- Dow
- Feist
- Ferreira
- Feuerheerd
- Fonseca
- Gould Campbell
- Graham
- Hooper
- Hutcheson
- Kopke
- Messias
- Niepoort
- Noval Nacional, Quinta do
- Offley Boa Vista
- Quarles Harris
- Ramos-Pinto
- Robertson's Rebello Valente
- Royal Oporto
- Sandeman
- Smith Woodhouse
- Taylor
- Vieira de Souza
- Warre
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
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Having reviewed the original suggestions on theme, can I suggest that we combine suggestions 1 and 4?Derek T. wrote:OK. I'm in.
Perhaps we need an interesting theme to attract others. Here are some suggestions:Derek
- Bring a bottle of port wrapped in silver foil
- Single's Night (only SQVP's allowed)
- 1960 Horizontal
- 1980 Horizontal
- The G-Plan (Graham's Vertical)
- Rose Night
The Fonseca may be a give-away unless presented in 2 x 750ml bottles.
I think it would be very interesting to do this blind and allow the wines rather than the labels to influence the outcome.
Thoughts?
Derek
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
Ernest H. Cockburn
Blind is easy as AHB is planning decanters not bottles.
Blind is easy as AHB is planning decanters not bottles. But I think we are all sufficiently competent not to be influenced by label.Derek T. wrote:I think it would be very interesting to do this blind and allow the wines rather than the labels to influence the outcome.
Re: Blind is easy as AHB is planning decanters not bottles.
Perhaps. But I do like blind tastings and I do think that even the most competent taster can be subconciously influenced by a Nacional versus a Cruz label. Admittedly, Cruz is thankfully not joining us but I'm sure you get my point.jdaw1 wrote:Blind is easy as AHB is planning decanters not bottles. But I think we are all sufficiently competent not to be influenced by label.Derek T. wrote:I think it would be very interesting to do this blind and allow the wines rather than the labels to influence the outcome.
Derek
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I will continue my trip to Ireland on the next day, but I have to be in Luton at 1300 hrs or so.
Alex: Could Wolfgang come as well. He will bring a Quarles Harris 80 with him. You know him from the Noval tasting.
All: I forgot to mention that it will be a Mg. Fonseca VP 1980 of course. Reason for this is, that - everyone knows - the Fonseca 80 in normal bottles is very poorly rated. I was told that this wine out of a Magnum is a totally different wine - lets see!
Looking forward seeing you
Axel
Alex: Could Wolfgang come as well. He will bring a Quarles Harris 80 with him. You know him from the Noval tasting.
All: I forgot to mention that it will be a Mg. Fonseca VP 1980 of course. Reason for this is, that - everyone knows - the Fonseca 80 in normal bottles is very poorly rated. I was told that this wine out of a Magnum is a totally different wine - lets see!
Looking forward seeing you
Axel
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AHB emailed me today to let me know that he cannot access TPF from Venezuela. That explains why we do not yet have any Venezuelan members.
That aside, AHB has informed me that the expanded list of wines and people has created a few challenges:
I can partially resolve challenges 1 and 2 as I have a number of port glasses a few decanters. However, AHB and I do not have sufficient of either between us to make the issue go away.
Can you please let us know what you can bring along to help?
Thanks
Derek
PS: Alex is insisting that a 750ml Fonseca will also be opened to allow a direct comparison with the Magnum. He is the host so he wins.
PPS: Alex has decided that the tasting will be done blind. He is the host so he wins.
PPPS: Uncle Tom may be joining us if he doesn't have a prior engagement to blow something up that night.
PPPPS: Has Ghandih made up his mind if he is coming yet?
That aside, AHB has informed me that the expanded list of wines and people has created a few challenges:
- a shortage of glasses
- a shortage of decanters
- a tight squeeze around his dining table
I can partially resolve challenges 1 and 2 as I have a number of port glasses a few decanters. However, AHB and I do not have sufficient of either between us to make the issue go away.
Can you please let us know what you can bring along to help?
Thanks
Derek
PS: Alex is insisting that a 750ml Fonseca will also be opened to allow a direct comparison with the Magnum. He is the host so he wins.
PPS: Alex has decided that the tasting will be done blind. He is the host so he wins.
PPPS: Uncle Tom may be joining us if he doesn't have a prior engagement to blow something up that night.
PPPPS: Has Ghandih made up his mind if he is coming yet?
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Ernest H. Cockburn
A shortage of glasses and decanters
Nothing.Derek T. wrote:…
- a shortage of glasses
- a shortage of decanters
I can partially resolve challenges 1 and 2 as I have a number of port glasses a few decanters. However, AHB and I do not have sufficient of either between us to make the issue go away.
Can you please let us know what you can bring along to help?
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I'm temporarily on line in a reasonably civilised country and so able to catch up. Glasses will be a problem with Derek's enthusiasm, so any help would be appreciated - thanks Alex!
Alex
Alex
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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An update to the event summary:
When: Tuesday May 20, 2008 at 7pm
Where: Wokingham â€‟ exact address to be supplied by PM
What: A 1980 Horizontal
Tasting Mats: Drafted, but needing revision to acommodate new attendees.
Who: Confirmed:
Although not planning to travel to Sussex between now and May 20, I can do so in order to collect port and/or glasses where this would be helpful (I believe that Sussex is south of the Thames).
When: Tuesday May 20, 2008 at 7pm
Where: Wokingham â€‟ exact address to be supplied by PM
What: A 1980 Horizontal
Tasting Mats: Drafted, but needing revision to acommodate new attendees.
Who: Confirmed:
- AHB, whose house it is and who will be working from home on the 21st
AP, who has bagsied an air matress
ARK, who has bagsied a blow-up mattress on the floor
DRT, who has bagsied the sofa.
JDAW, who has bagsied the bed
WS, who has to work the following day and so has to leave before things get too carried away
- Dow (AHB, ARK, DRT)
Fonseca (AHB, ARK, JDAW , AP (en magnum))
Graham (AHB, JDAW)
Nacional (DRT, JDAW)
Offley Boa Vista (JDAW)
Quarles Harris (WS)
Smith Woodhouse (AHB)
Taylor (JDAW)
Warre (ARK)
- Dow (ARK)
Fonseca (in bottle)(AHB)
Fonseca (en magnum)(AP)
Graham (JDAW)
Nacional (DRT)
Quarles Harris (WS)
Smith Woodhouse (AHB)
Taylor (JDAW)
Although not planning to travel to Sussex between now and May 20, I can do so in order to collect port and/or glasses where this would be helpful (I believe that Sussex is south of the Thames).
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
And to allow the tasting to be blind.
And to allow the tasting to be blind.AHB wrote:Tasting Mats: Drafted, but needing revision to acommodate new attendees.