Time for a TN sort?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 21:46 Sun 17 Jan 2016

DRT wrote:Ta-da!!!!

I have done something useful during my four hour delay at Leeds Bradford Airport en route to an emergency in Belfast. I feel a little better for it, but not much.

Grrrr to FlyBe

Your dinner was delicious.

Post by **DRT** » 22:31 Sun 17 Jan 2016

djewesbury wrote:
DRT wrote:Ta-da!!!!

I have done something useful during my four hour delay at Leeds Bradford Airport en route to an emergency in Belfast. I feel a little better for it, but not much.

Grrrr to FlyBe
Your dinner was delicious.

!@*& $£f!

Post by **jdaw1** » 00:13 Mon 18 Jan 2016

I have received unhappy texts from the man. Be nice to him — at least he tried to come to your party.

(Some posts soon to be moved to Irrelevant badinage and like nonsense.)

Post by **DRT** » 00:20 Mon 18 Jan 2016

jdaw1 wrote:I have received unhappy texts from the man. Be nice to him — at least he tried to come to your party.

(Some posts soon to be moved to Irrelevant badinage and like nonsense.)

{Like}

Post by **DRT** » 11:02 Sun 18 Dec 2016

The TN Index has been updated today.

The new version contains 430 new entries (since May 2016), which is less than a Pipe.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 13:35 Wed 28 Dec 2016

DRT wrote:The TN Index has been updated today.

The new version contains 430 new entries (since May 2016), which is less than a Pipe.

But that's mostly because I haven't posted any since September - I am only a few notes away from being up to date and will post in a flurry when I can.

Post by **DRT** » 21:54 Wed 28 Dec 2016

AHB wrote:
DRT wrote:The TN Index has been updated today.

The new version contains 430 new entries (since May 2016), which is less than a Pipe.
But that's mostly because I haven't posted any since September - I am only a few notes away from being up to date and will post in a flurry when I can.

Let me know when you're done and I'll update again.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:19 Fri 06 Jan 2017

OK, all my tasting notes have now been added.

And I've tidied up the tasting note titles that were throwing out the TN index.

Over to you, sir.

Post by **DRT** » 23:47 Fri 06 Jan 2017

AHB wrote:OK, all my tasting notes have now been added.

And I've tidied up the tasting note titles that were throwing out the TN index.

Over to you, sir.

Thanks. I will update it tomorrow.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 23:20 Fri 13 Jan 2017

DRT wrote:
AHB wrote:OK, all my tasting notes have now been added.

And I've tidied up the tasting note titles that were throwing out the TN index.

Over to you, sir.
Thanks. I will update it tomorrow.

Let me know when you have and I'll make another check on the titles people have used.

Post by **DRT** » 17:09 Sat 14 Jan 2017

AHB wrote:
DRT wrote:
AHB wrote:OK, all my tasting notes have now been added.

And I've tidied up the tasting note titles that were throwing out the TN index.

Over to you, sir.
Thanks. I will update it tomorrow.
Let me know when you have and I'll make another check on the titles people have used.

Will do. I am still planning to do it tomorrow

Post by **DRT** » 09:35 Sat 21 Jan 2017

DRT wrote: ↑17:09 Sat 14 Jan 2017
AHB wrote:
DRT wrote:
AHB wrote:OK, all my tasting notes have now been added.

And I've tidied up the tasting note titles that were throwing out the TN index.

Over to you, sir.
Thanks. I will update it tomorrow.
Let me know when you have and I'll make another check on the titles people have used.
Will do. I am still planning to do it tomorrow

Having spent two weeks waiting for tomorrow to arrive I decided to do this today instead.

Over to AHB for quality assurance.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 09:07 Fri 05 Jan 2018

I'm pleased to report that I have finished posting all my tasting notes from 2017!

Post by **DRT** » 16:01 Sat 06 Jan 2018

AHB wrote: ↑09:07 Fri 05 Jan 2018 I'm pleased to report that I have finished posting all my tasting notes from 2017!

Excellent. I will update the index shortly.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 13:45 Fri 12 Jan 2018

DRT wrote: ↑16:01 Sat 06 Jan 2018
AHB wrote: ↑09:07 Fri 05 Jan 2018 I'm pleased to report that I have finished posting all my tasting notes from 2017!
Excellent. I will update the index shortly.

Let me know when you're done and I'll then review for people having been compliant with the naming rules (Yes — that means you in particular JDAW!)

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:55 Thu 08 Feb 2018

AHB wrote: ↑13:45 Fri 12 Jan 2018that means you in particular JDAW!

Sorry. As a pathetic and unsatisfactory excuse I’ll mention than I do make more TN threads than most.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 04:50 Fri 09 Feb 2018

jdaw1 wrote: ↑21:55 Thu 08 Feb 2018
AHB wrote: ↑13:45 Fri 12 Jan 2018that means you in particular JDAW!
Sorry. As a pathetic and unsatisfactory excuse I’ll mention than I do make more TN threads than most.

I can’t argue with that. And on the few occasions when I’ve done so I’ve learnt how fiddly and tedious it is to do so. You do a task which is greatly appreciated.

Post by **DRT** » 17:25 Wed 30 May 2018

DRT wrote: ↑16:01 Sat 06 Jan 2018
AHB wrote: ↑09:07 Fri 05 Jan 2018 I'm pleased to report that I have finished posting all my tasting notes from 2017!
Excellent. I will update the index shortly.

The new definition of "shortly" is "within 5 months from today"

Now updated.

696 new TNs have been added since the last update.

Post by **DRT** » 08:42 Sun 04 Aug 2019

The TN index has been updated today.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 10:16 Tue 06 Aug 2019

DRT wrote: ↑08:42 Sun 04 Aug 2019 The TN index has been updated today.

How many new tasting notes since the last sort?

Post by **DRT** » 22:43 Tue 06 Aug 2019

AHB wrote: ↑10:16 Tue 06 Aug 2019
DRT wrote: ↑08:42 Sun 04 Aug 2019 The TN index has been updated today.
How many new tasting notes since the last sort?

320

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 06:37 Thu 08 Aug 2019

I must post mine - but I am still typing up my notes from 2018!

Post by **DRT** » 15:51 Thu 08 Aug 2019

AHB wrote: ↑06:37 Thu 08 Aug 2019 I must post mine - but I am still typing up my notes from 2018!

You will have to hurry! It’s only six months until the next update

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 19:41 Fri 14 Feb 2020

Please sir, can we have another TN update.

griff · Post by **griff** » 13:19 Fri 22 Oct 2021

Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑19:41 Fri 14 Feb 2020 Please sir, can we have another TN update.

May I kindly add support to this request.

Post by **DRT** » 17:36 Wed 03 Nov 2021

The Tasting Note index has been updated today.

The TN count has increased from 7104 to 7811 since the last update on 4 Aug 2019.

griff · Post by **griff** » 08:09 Thu 04 Nov 2021

Thank you Sir!

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 11:41 Thu 04 Nov 2021

Thank you, as always. And also for the work on the forum software!

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 16:01 Thu 04 Nov 2021

@ DRT - thank you, very much appreciated. This is a remarkable resource.

Post by **DRT** » 23:25 Fri 05 Nov 2021

The forum software upgrades are lots of work and risk, the TN upgrades not so much. Feel free to nudge me for the latter more frequently.

Post by **DRT** » 01:48 Sat 13 Nov 2021

DRT wrote: ↑17:36 Wed 03 Nov 2021 The Tasting Note index has been updated today.

The TN count has increased from 7104 to 7811 since the last update on 4 Aug 2019.

Thank you to Alex Bridgeman for the work he has done this week correcting erroneous data in the Tasting Note titles. The index has been updated to reflect these corrections, plus 48 new TN's since 3 Nov 21.

Post by **flash_uk** » 15:53 Sun 14 Nov 2021

DRT wrote: ↑01:48 Sat 13 Nov 2021
DRT wrote: ↑17:36 Wed 03 Nov 2021 The Tasting Note index has been updated today.

The TN count has increased from 7104 to 7811 since the last update on 4 Aug 2019.
Thank you to Alex Bridgeman for the work he has done this week correcting erroneous data in the Tasting Note titles. The index has been updated to reflect these corrections, plus 48 new TN's since 3 Nov 21.

Thanks Alex

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 07:38 Mon 10 Apr 2023

Derek has just posted my latest update of the TN indices and a revised guide to naming tasting notes. Following the naming guide will make the updating of the index easier for me next time (which I plan to be in June).

The index covers all tasting notes posted in or before 2022.

If you spot any errors in the indices, please let me know.

nac · Post by **nac** » 12:36 Wed 03 May 2023

Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑07:38 Mon 10 Apr 2023 If you spot any errors in the indices, please let me know.

Think this is wrong - viewtopic.php?t=153&hilit=fojo

Should be Churchill Fojo?

nac · Post by **nac** » 14:58 Wed 03 May 2023

Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑07:38 Mon 10 Apr 2023 If you spot any errors in the indices, please let me know.

Appears to be an error on the main Tasting Notes page as well.

Some of the "jump to" links don't work - D, L, X, Y & Z.

LXYZ don't have any associated notes (so possibly might expect to jump to the nearest letter?), but D does.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:55 Sun 07 May 2023

nac wrote: ↑12:36 Wed 03 May 2023
Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑07:38 Mon 10 Apr 2023 If you spot any errors in the indices, please let me know.
Think this is wrong - viewtopic.php?t=153&hilit=fojo

Should be Churchill Fojo?

Thank you. I'll update the name, which will get picked up in the next index update.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:57 Sun 07 May 2023

nac wrote: ↑14:58 Wed 03 May 2023
Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑07:38 Mon 10 Apr 2023 If you spot any errors in the indices, please let me know.
Appears to be an error on the main Tasting Notes page as well.

Some of the "jump to" links don't work - D, L, X, Y & Z.

LXYZ don't have any associated notes (so possibly might expect to jump to the nearest letter?), but D does.

That one I will have to leave to DRT, who wrote the code for the jump links. That's beyond my pay-grade.

Post by **PhilW** » 12:27 Tue 09 May 2023

nac wrote: ↑14:58 Wed 03 May 2023 Some of the "jump to" links don't work - D, L, X, Y & Z.

LXYZ don't have any associated notes (so possibly might expect to jump to the nearest letter?), but D does.

You're correct that L, X, Y Z don't work as there is no tasting note starting with those letters. Ideally I would suggest that those letters for which there is no index (due to no tasting notes starting with that letter) could either not be present, or preferably should just be the letter and not a link as well. However, I don't know whether that might be simple or tricky for the generating script; if the latter, am happy to leave as-is for those.

The D is failing because the relevant reference within the main html has the wrong case. Specifically:
The D at the top of the page links to .../tn_index_alpha.html#D
while the first row entry for D starts with <tr id="d"> which should be <tr id="D">
All other row id references are capitalised; presumably this is a bug in the generating script? (I don't know where this kept, so can't check). Derek?

Post by **DRT** » 21:36 Wed 31 May 2023

Sorry chaps, just picked this up.

Will have a look at the template and try to fix.

Thanks for reporting

Post by **DRT** » 22:07 Wed 31 May 2023

I have found the problem.

The formula used to generate the html tests for incraments in the first letter of the name of each port on the list. When it returns a new letter it inserts a reference for that letter in the index that the relevant jump link points to. It inserts upper case references.

The problem is that some lucky people opened a bottle of "1908 da Silva Colheita" in New York in May 2015 and it happens to be the first in the list after "C" but begins with a lower case "d", which the code does not accommodate.

I will work on a solution but in the meantime have bodged a fix into the current published version of the index.

The reason why the other letters do not jump to the index is as Phil described, they have nowhere to jump to.

MigSU · Post by **MigSU** » 23:21 Wed 31 May 2023

I suppose a quick and dirty solution would be to change it to "1908 Da Silva Colheita".

Post by **DRT** » 06:19 Thu 01 Jun 2023

MigSU wrote: ↑23:21 Wed 31 May 2023 I suppose a quick and dirty solution would be to change it to "1908 Da Silva Colheita".

I thought of that, but I think it would be better to fix the problem permanently.

Post by **flash_uk** » 12:24 Tue 04 Jul 2023

I've been posting a backlog of notes. I think we may find one or two tastings in the past two years where we have multiple posts for the same bottle. I've definitiely noticed it for this tasting: Mon 24 April 2023, reprise of a tasting in 1993

for example:
1970 Gould Campbell
1970 Gould Campbell

How is this usually handled? Merge the posts?

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 07:09 Wed 05 Jul 2023

flash_uk wrote: ↑12:24 Tue 04 Jul 2023 I've been posting a backlog of notes. I think we may find one or two tastings in the past two years where we have multiple posts for the same bottle. I've definitiely noticed it for this tasting: Mon 24 April 2023, reprise of a tasting in 1993

for example:
1970 Gould Campbell
1970 Gould Campbell

How is this usually handled? Merge the posts?

That’s how I’ve always handled things in the past. I’ve tried to keep notes on the same bottle together in the same topic. Occasionally someone posts notes on a different bottle as a reply in a thread; I’ll usually split those out into a new and separate topic.

But are we doing this the right way? Someone commented to me the other day that they would prefer all tasting notes for a wine to be in the same thread, regardless whether they were the same bottle or not, so they can read one thread and not have to keep jumping backwards and forwards to find out what we think of a particular Port.

Should we change the way our tasting notes are structured?

Post by **flash_uk** » 09:30 Wed 05 Jul 2023

Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑07:09 Wed 05 Jul 2023 But are we doing this the right way? Someone commented to me the other day that they would prefer all tasting notes for a wine to be in the same thread, regardless whether they were the same bottle or not, so they can read one thread and not have to keep jumping backwards and forwards to find out what we think of a particular Port.

If that approach was adopted I think we’d need to be careful to preface each note with the date and event when the bottle was tasted, otherwise we have a melange of different bottle notes and different notes on the same bottle.

I have a preference for the current approach. If I am wondering what a 1963 Rebello Valente might be like, I go to the index and right click five or six notes from recent times and open them each in a new tab and read them. This way, I find it easy to spot the Alex Bridgeman note for each bottle and learn how that taster found the five or six different bottles. I can also see quickly if other tasters had a difference of opinion. Maybe Alex had a dirty glass on one occasion and was not impressed by the port, whereas everyone else liked it?

MigSU · Post by **MigSU** » 10:18 Wed 05 Jul 2023

I too prefer the current approach. One TN per bottle (ideally).

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 18:30 Tue 11 Jul 2023

I support the current one note per bottle approach. I have always found it straightforward to navigate.

nac · Post by **nac** » 22:03 Mon 24 Jul 2023

Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑07:09 Wed 05 Jul 2023 Should we change the way our tasting notes are structured?

No.

nac · Post by **nac** » 13:17 Tue 25 Jul 2023

nac wrote: ↑22:03 Mon 24 Jul 2023
Alex Bridgeman wrote: ↑07:09 Wed 05 Jul 2023 Should we change the way our tasting notes are structured?
No.

That said, I think there might be a case for allowing a bit more information in the note title - for example, allowing "1994 Warre (released 2022)" might be useful?

Post by **flash_uk** » 23:49 Fri 29 Aug 2025

Tasting note indexes have been updated.

Commentary and opinion welcomed, on whether these are indexes or indices. I prefer indexes here, because it is a reference list of information. I would use indices to refer to more than one index, being a quantitative measure of something (like the FTSE100). Most commentary seems to simply distinguish between British and American usage.