2006 Declarations

[DRT]

Please use this thread to post any information you find on 2006 VP decalrations in the coming few weeks.

I have made this post a Sticky so that you can find it at the top of the Forum but once most or all of the houses have played their 2006 cards it will return to being a normal thread and end up in the mix with the rest of the threads here.

Thanks

Derek

[Axel P]

First feedback from Verena Niepoort: No intention to declare a 2006 VP.

Axel

[Axel P]

No: Borges, La Rosa, Da Silva (Dalva), Passadouro, Pintas, Nossa N.S. do Carmo

Axel

[Axel P]

The Symingtons are going for the following: Vesuvio, Sra. da Ribeira, Malvedos, Bomfim and Cavadinha.

Vesuvio and Sra. da Ribeira will be on the market soon, the others will be withheld.

Axel

[Alex Bridgeman]

I believe no Nacional - despite the fact that I did my best to tread the grape to give maximum extract and flavour

[SimonSaysDrink]

Granted, this probably should go under a different headliner, but the theme is relevant: Niepoort decided to forego their renowned dry wines 'Batuta' and 'Charme' bottlings for 2006 as well. Apparently quality was a bit evasive in 2006, something I detected amongst many Douro wines at ProWein a few weeks back. Shucks.

[Axel P]

No Ramos Pinto VP as well.

Axel

[Axel P]

Cockburn will produce a Canais 06. They will send samples to the IDVP soon.

Axel

[Conky]

Axel,

Your a font of knowledge on this one, keep it up.
Could I ask where you're getting your information from? Is it trade information, or are you making your own enquiries?

Alan

[DRT]

Intended declarations notified so far:

• Dow's Quinta do Bomfim
• Dow's Senhora da Ribeira
• Graham's Quinta dos Malvedos
• Quinta do Vesuvio*
• Warre's Quinta da Cavadinha

Derek

*at least 7 members of this forum had their feet in this stuff in October 2006 and I suspect it will sell well to that group regardless of price

[jdaw1]

Intended declarations notified so far:

• Dow's Quinta do Bomfim
• Dow's Senhora da Ribeira
• Graham's Quinta dos Malvedos
• Quinta do Vesuvio*
• Warre's Quinta da Cavadinha

All second names, except Vesuvio which is its own second name. My daughter and nephew, born 2006, will be getting 2003s it seems. Must speak to Uncle T about prices.

[Axel P]

Conky,

I sent a mail to all the companies I know and they are responing. I rather like to rely on first hand info when doing these things.

Derek: Sogrape (i.e. Sandemann, Ferreira and Offley) will not declare a VP in 06.

Axel

[DRT]

Intended declarations notified so far:

• Dow's Quinta do Bomfim
• Dow's Senhora da Ribeira
• Graham's Quinta dos Malvedos
• Quinta do Vesuvio*
• Warre's Quinta da Cavadinha

All second names, except Vesuvio which is its own second name. My daughter and nephew, born 2006, will be getting 2003s it seems. Must speak to Uncle T about prices.

I think you should consider half a case of the Vesuvio for each of them so that you can say - I know 6 guys who have had their feet in that stuff

Derek

PS: Although at least 7 members had their feet in it I believe you have only met 6 of them.

[jdaw1]

Presumably the seventh is named within the previous post? Yes, maybe two cases: one of 2003, one of Vesuvio 2006. Maybe. Must speak to the man about prices.

[DRT]

Presumably the seventh is named within the previous post?

No. He lives in Southern California, likes chemicals and hasn't been seen around here for some time.

Those who you have met are:

• AHB
• ADV
• Christopher
• Derek T.
• EricD
• Roy Hersh

[Axel P]

Back to the point guys. Because of the fact that 06 does not seem to be a superb vintage anyway I dont want to spoil my last bit of hope imagining that some nasty british-american feet, who were not washed a lot during this tour beforehand left their mark in the wine as well

Portal is declaring a SQVP in 06.

Axel

[10Anos]

I dont want to spoil my last bit of hope imagining that some nasty british-american feet, who were not washed a lot during this tour beforehand left their mark in the wine as well

Why else would people prefer VPs made from foot trodden grapes over mechanically trodden grapes?

[Andy Velebil]

Presumably the seventh is named within the previous post?

No. He lives in Southern California, likes chemicals and hasn't been seen around here for some time.

Those who you have met are:

• AHB
• ADV
• Christopher
• Derek T.
• EricD
• Roy Hersh

he actually lives in central California We Californians are a bit sensitive to where we live and what you call us

[Andy Velebil]

I dont want to spoil my last bit of hope imagining that some nasty british-american feet, who were not washed a lot during this tour beforehand left their mark in the wine as well

Why else would people prefer VPs made from foot trodden grapes over mechanically trodden grapes?

My feet were clean, as I did spill some 1990 Vesuvio on them as I was walking bare feet on the dirt to the lagar room, so that bit of alcohol sterilized them real good

[RonnieRoots]

I dont want to spoil my last bit of hope imagining that some nasty british-american feet, who were not washed a lot during this tour beforehand left their mark in the wine as well

Why else would people prefer VPs made from foot trodden grapes over mechanically trodden grapes?

My feet were clean, as I did spill some 1990 Vesuvio on them as I was walking bare feet on the dirt to the lagar room, so that bit of alcohol sterilized them real good

And then you rebottled the 1990 and called the 'specal aroma' Douro Bake?

[Andy Velebil]

1990 Vesuvio "Toe-jam" Reserva

[Axel P]

Thanks for the response. If I will ever lay hand on this VPs I try to point out who trod them.

No Seara D'Ordens in 2006

Axel

[Conky]

Thanks for the response. If I will ever lay hand on this VPs I try to point out who trod them.

No Seara D'Ordens in 2006

Axel

On the assumption this is Port, this is a name I've never heard of!

This does happen periodically, but it always amazes me when a brand new name (To me of course) like this, pops up on the radar.

Alan

[Axel P]

Alan,

same with me. Ive just been sent samples of the 2005 VP and they are very, very good.

Please check the hompepage: http://www.quintasearadordens.pa-net.pt/

There is no way one knows everything about Port.

Axel

[10Anos]

Please check the hompepage: http://www.quintasearadordens.pa-net.pt/

There is no way one knows everything about Port.

I did and learned another thing: Special Reserve Tawny. Never knew it existed, but they make it...

[ac-fast]

I have visti Qta. de Seara d Ordens in sept. 07

It`s 3 brothers running the old quinta, overtaking it from there father, and they are running the qta. in the fathers spirit.

many of the labels there in a drawing of there father

They have a guest house, own church, and football fields for all the kids.

very nice place, and nice people.
We had a 6 hours tasting and show around the Qta.

[jdaw1]

St George’s day is today.

[DRT]

St George’s day is today.

Happy St George's Day to all our English chums.

Derek

[Axel P]

For a german mind: what happened on St. Georges day and why is it important to you guys?

Axel

[DRT]

For a german mind: what happened on St. Georges day and why is it important to you guys?

From a Scottish mind: I think he went to the Euro 1036 Football Tournament in Germania, got drunk on Pilsner and smashed up the local pub in a fight with his best mate - times haven't changed much since

Derek

PS: It is important because it is the day that all British shippers declare their new Vintages - it has no other importance whatsoever as far as I can determine.

[KillerB]

For a german mind: what happened on St. Georges day and why is it important to you guys?

Axel

On this day St George killed a dragon: Wales.

[Alex Bridgeman]

I've just taken a quick look at the Taylor, Croft, Fonseca, Graham, Warre, Smith Woodhouse, Roriz, Martinez, Niepoort and Noval. None mention any vintages to be released from 2006.

I've got to say, the Symington web sites are pretty poor. They look quite flashy but they have very little content - although the Vintage Port Site is now much better than it was and has an interesting narrative on the weather conditions around the Douro.

I note that on each of the last two years (2007, 2006), Fonseca and Taylor both issued press releases stating that they would be releasing a vintage port (FG or SQ from 2005 or 2004 respectively). This year their website news sections are conspicuously quiet.

Alex

[RonnieRoots]

I also couldn't find any information on their websites. But SQ declarations are often made a bit later than St. Georges day. I guess they only take pride in obeying to the ritual if the real thing is declared.

[Roy Hersh]

I am really stressed for time at the moment, so I have not read this thread to be honest. So if this information is a repeat, I apologize.

I've just returned from 9 days in Portugal and visited with many in Gaia Lodges and at Quintas in the Douro. I have tasted a number of 2006 and 2007s and will try to get back to provide more insight. But I saw the title and did want to mention that the best of the 2006s that we tried along the way, was the Quinta do Vesuvio.

I highly recommend the 2006 Vesuvio and my comment to Peter Symington who produced it, was that it was very similar in style to what I remember of cask samples of the 1996 Vesuvio. He thought about that for a moment and smiled. Anyway, it was the best of the 2006s I have tasted to date and it seems that TFP will not be making any SQVPs from this vintage, at least not for commercial release. Others along our travels said the same thing, with very few exceptions.

Best regards to you all!

Roy

[jdaw1]

Thank you for the recommendation — despite the dodgy feet that were in it. One daughter + one nephew ⇒ two dozen V06s for me please. When others see these for sale please let me know.

[Frederick Blais]

Granted, this probably should go under a different headliner, but the theme is relevant: Niepoort decided to forego their renowned dry wines 'Batuta' and 'Charme' bottlings for 2006 as well. Apparently quality was a bit evasive in 2006, something I detected amongst many Douro wines at ProWein a few weeks back. Shucks.

In February when I visited Niepoort, they had no plan to bottle Charme and Batuta. In April when Dirk visited me, he said he'll probably do Charme, quantity will be less than usual but it will be good.

[DRT]

Please use this thread to post any information you find on 2006 VP decalrations in the coming few weeks.

I have made this post a Sticky so that you can find it at the top of the Forum but once most or all of the houses have played their 2006 cards it will return to being a normal thread and end up in the mix with the rest of the threads here.

Thanks

Derek

Un-stickified.

[Andy Velebil]

I am waiting for the 2006 Vesuvio, soley becuase my ugly toe-jam was knee deep in those grapes. So I will buy some just for the sentimental value. But since my toes were in it, not sure I'll ever drink them

[DRT]

I am waiting for the 2006 Vesuvio, soley becuase my ugly toe-jam was knee deep in those grapes. So I will buy some just for the sentimental value. But since my toes were in it, not sure I'll ever drink them

Same for me. But I think I'll wait a few years and pick them up for half the release price

[Andy Velebil]

I am waiting for the 2006 Vesuvio, soley becuase my ugly toe-jam was knee deep in those grapes. So I will buy some just for the sentimental value. But since my toes were in it, not sure I'll ever drink them

Same for me. But I think I'll wait a few years and pick them up for half the release price

Yeah no kidding. but I will buy some on release anyways...don't want that toe jam to be spoiled by unknown storage conditions during those few years.

[DRT]

I am waiting for the 2006 Vesuvio, soley becuase my ugly toe-jam was knee deep in those grapes. So I will buy some just for the sentimental value. But since my toes were in it, not sure I'll ever drink them

Same for me. But I think I'll wait a few years and pick them up for half the release price

Yeah no kidding. but I will buy some on release anyways...don't want that toe jam to be spoiled by unknown storage conditions during those few years.

I'll just wait and buy some off AHB - he's no doubt bagged half the production for himself and added it to his Mr Vesuvio stash

[jdaw1]

I need two dozen V06 (offspring+nephew): is there yet a price?

[Andy Velebil]

I need two dozen V06 (offspring+nephew): is there yet a price?

I have yet to hear of any Pre-arrival prices. But I would guess it will most likely be put out for sale early next year.

[DRT]

http://www.wine-searcher.com reveals one retailer here who is advertising it at the ludicrous price of 69 Euro per bottle plus tax. Given that there is only one retailer showing up it is unlikely that they actually have any.

I would be surprised if they release it early next year if 2007 is a general declaration as the market will be flooded with expensive port that will be difficult to sell.

[Andy Velebil]

www.wine-searcher.com reveals one retailer here who is advertising it at the ludicrous price of 69 Euro per bottle plus tax. Given that there is only one retailer showing up it is unlikely that they actually have any.

I would be surprised if they release it early next year if 2007 is a general declaration as the market will be flooded with expensive port that will be difficult to sell.

I'd say he's trying to cash in on some unsuspecting buyers...69 Euro is outrageous.

The 2007's, wouldn't be released until very late in 2009 at the earliest. As they won't be legally allowed to even be bottled until around harvest time of next year. Then shipping, import, etc. Realistically they probably won't be offered until early 2010. The 2006 Vesuvio would be released a full year before that, so plenty of time.

I'm curious to see what they do sell it for. The past recent vintages here have sold for between $45-60 USD. I'm wondering if they will raise prices, lower prices, only release a small percentage and hold back others for later release? 2006 wasn't the best of years, so they would benefit from not jacking the price up too high for a mediocre vintage.

[Alex Bridgeman]

I generally agree with what Andy says unless 2007 turns out to be a general declaration. If it does, you can expect a number of the shippers to offer their 2007 ports on an "en primeur" basis, with prices being released in late spring 2009. This could potentially clash with the general release of the 2006 single quinta ports.

Time will tell. Either way I'll be happy. I'm planning on buying current release ports for a good few years yet.

Alex

[ajfeather]

I need two dozen V06 (offspring+nephew): is there yet a price?

Lay & Wheeler have them for 183/6

[jdaw1]

I need two dozen V06 (offspring+nephew): is there yet a price?

Lay & Wheeler have them for 183/6

Ooooh: not cheap.

[DRT]

I need two dozen V06 (offspring+nephew): is there yet a price?

Lay & Wheeler have them for 183/6

Ooooh: not cheap.

I would strongly advise waiting at least two years before buying any 2006. By then the hugely over-priced 2006 and 2007 wines will be lingering unsold on the wine merchant's lists and if either of these is a prime candidate for a price slash it's the 2006 as its younger brother is likely to be a far superior wine.

[uncle tom]

I would strongly advise waiting at least two years before buying any 2006

History shows that when the economies of the principal markets catch a cold, the fine wine trade gets pneumonia.

There is also very little evidence that the Sym's have actually sold much Vesuvio from 1999, 2001, 2004 & 2005; and probably not that much 2003. There seems to be a fair amount of 2000 around, and also the vintages from 1991 to 1998

I don't know if they've scaled back their production since the mid nineties, but if not, they must be swimming in the stuff by now.

Ultimately the stock has to be sold, and the market will set the price..

Tom