1970 Horizontal, flight 0, Thursday 2 October 2025

[flash_uk]

The 1970 vintage is 55 years old this year. Birthday celebrations are required.

I have finally got round to rescheduling the mega 1970 horizontal which was originally planned for 2020.

What: 1970, Flight 0
When: Thurs 2 October 2025
Where: The Ovens, The Boot & Flogger (Google maps)
Timing: 18:00

Flight 0 is for any 1970 ports not present in flights 1-4 on the following day.

Bottle delivery status can be viewed here.

Bottle pictures can be viewed here.

Please note: preference for attendance will be given to people who are able to provide bottles for the flight. Which means some of those currently in places 1-20 might get bumped because someone in reserve has a bottle to offer.


Attendees:(bold=reconfirmed)

1. MPM
2. JDAW
3. GEAG
4. NAC
5. PW
6. TC
7. IDJ
8. CPR
9. MC
10. AHB
11. HTWH
12. THRA
13. Jörgen
14. Sten
15. Stefan
16. MSC
17. CEM
18. JMK
19. BMHR
20. Reserved

Reserves:

1. SCD (now unable to make it)
2. AP (unable to make it)
3. SCD (moved up to attendees)
4. DG (unable to make it)
5. Ralph (unable to make date)
6. BMHR (moved up to attendees)

Please also read the post directly following this one, where further details are provided.

[flash_uk]

Picking up from where things were, some updates:

• I know of one person originally able to attend, who is now unable to attend
• in the intervening 5 years, a number of people have been very generous towards me, sharing some excellent port and wine. I am reserving 4 seats for these people and will extend an invite to them. Should any of these folks prove to be unable to attend, the seat(s) will be released for reserves
• given that we will have much work to do the following day, I am extending this tasting to 20 people, which means we'll have 35ml pours

The net result of all of this is reflected in the revised list of attendees and reserves.

Could I ask that everyone in attendees and reserves reconfirm their availability for the new date.

Some further details for the event.

Payment will be in advance for dinner/tips/corkage etc of £100 per person.

Dinner will be from a set menu with 4 or 5 options for each of starter, main and dessert.

Bottles will be "priced" at £100 each, so if you are attending but not supplying any bottles, you'll need to pay something extra. Exactly how much won't be known until we've finalised how many bottles are in the tasting. Once who's bringing what is finalised, some folks will likely get some cash repaid, where they have supplied multiple bottles.

35ml pours.

Any bottles supplied must be supplied in advance - further details to come.

Advance payment will be requested at the beginning of September. Any advance payments not received, or bottles not received, by end of 15 September results in seat being forfeited and a reserve being offered the seat.

Bottles in flight 0 were provisionally as below. Once we have reconfirmations I'll ask for any updates in the intervening 5 years.

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Further bottles uncovered in addition to the above:

• Pousada
• Serafim Cabral

[Alex Bridgeman]

I confirm my availability for the new date.

I also confirm my availability to help set up on both days, should that be needed.

I will email you details on bottles I can supply a little later…

[jdaw1]

Yes yes yes.

I have Gonzalez Byass, Kopke São Luiz, and Tayor Vargellas, and some others doubtless generally available.

[winesecretary]

I reconfirm availability for Flight 0. I still have the Feuerheerd.

[hadge]

Reconfirmed

just found these, one of them is not on the listed.

[flash_uk]

just found these, one of them is not on the listed.

Fantastic! Pousada added to the list!

[Justin K]

Not sure should I be on the list as I am for Friday but anyway if not please put me on the reserve list.

[idj123]

Reconfirming. Still have the Br, also the H and the RCV.

[/2alph]

Reconfirming

[M.Charlton]

Reconfirmed.

[hadge]

another one not on the list,

[hadge]

I have been having some fun playing in the cellar, found something else,

[CPR 1]

Reconfirming and very much looking forward to this

[PhilW]

Confirmed.

[forest26]

Re confirming - might need to look again at what I have

[flash_uk]

Axel P reconfirmed via PM.

[nac]

Confirmed.
Will email you with an updated list of bottles.

[Doggett]

Confirming as a reserve and hoping very much to be promoted to Flight 0! Will need to pay/adopt please.

[flash_uk]

Not sure should I be on the list as I am for Friday but anyway if not please put me on the reserve list.

I had reserved a seat for you Justin - attendees updated.

[flash_uk]

Confirming as a reserve and hoping very much to be promoted to Flight 0! Will need to pay/adopt please.

Seat was reserved for you anyway.

[flash_uk]

Everyone now confirmed, and bottles for flight 0 are currently as follows (23 ports):

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[flash_uk]

I suspect that a number of the ports in flight 0 may not be so stellar, and as pours will be 35ml, I think it would be sensible to have some other port to hand to quench the thirst. Other ports could include:

• a tregnum of Graham 1970
• various 1970 colheita ports
  • Taylor single harvest 75cl
  • Maynards 75cl
  • Palmer 75cl
  • Feuerheerd 75cl
  • Niepoort 75cl
  • Barão de Vilar 75cl
  • Devesa White 50cl

Any thoughts/comments on having the extra ports?

Would probably add £60-80 per person to the cost if we had say 5 extra ports.

[jdaw1]

C da Silva = Dalva. Please instruct.

Abbreviations added: Cb = Cabral; Pd = Pousada.

[jdaw1]

Any thoughts/comments on having the extra ports?

My vote is don’t. Over the whole event, we will have more than enough.

[M.Charlton]

Any thoughts/comments on having the extra ports?

My vote is don’t. Over the whole event, we will have more than enough.

Ditto.

[mcoulson]

Any thoughts/comments on having the extra ports?

My vote is don’t. Over the whole event, we will have more than enough.

Ditto.

I agree .... Plenty already ...

[Alex Bridgeman]

Who are you three imposters? What have you done with the real JDAW / MC / MSC? Give them back now!

I'm usually the lone voice advocating restraint. And 23 pours of 35ml is still over a bottle per person.

(Mike - see if you can test their willpower with a picture of the 1970 Graham tregnum...)

[flash_uk]

Who are you three imposters? What have you done with the real JDAW / MC / MSC? Give them back now!

I'm usually the lone voice advocating restraint. And 23 pours of 35ml is still over a bottle per person.

(Mike - see if you can test their willpower with a picture of the 1970 Graham tregnum...)

I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you.

23 1970s, of which say 5 will be poor. Add back in 5 x 35ml pours of colheitas, and we're back at 23 x 35 = 805ml. And if everyone insists on a 100ml pour of G70 from tregnum, then we're at 905ml = 1.2 bottles of port per person.

Did I tell you I'm shocked?

Well there are many weeks ahead yet for people to come to their senses

[hadge]

what did they say to me in the other thread! hummm I'm watching you all!

I'm voting yes!

and don't worry my little friends who want to try these, there is always the Harry Party Corner at some point!

[mcoulson]

Ok ... I admit it ... I was wrong ... I know what the Harry Party Corner will be like ...

[Glenn E.]

• a tregnum of Graham 1970

I have it on good authority that these are terrible, so if you send it to me I will dispose of it properly for you.

[jdaw1]

Mike’s recent rearrangement of bottles shrank flight 0. Hence the risk of flight-0 thirst has increased, and has increased by enough to justify a tregnum of G70.

[flash_uk]

lol. Delighted to see most have folded like a cheap suit already

[jdaw1]

lol. Delighted to see most have folded like a cheap suit already

We are all like cardboard packaging on recycling day.

There is a direction in which we fold easily, and a direction in which we don’t.

[winesecretary]

Everyone folds towards a tregnum of Graham 1970…

[/2alph]

Unfortunately, I won’t be able to make it. I hope you have a great time!

[flash_uk]

Unfortunately, I won’t be able to make it. I hope you have a great time!

OK Ralph, thx for letting me know.

[flash_uk]

A quick update on the overall tasting can be read here, in the thread for flights 1 to 4.

Latest list for Flight 0, 22 ports, as below:

1. Andresen
2. Barros
3. Borges
4. Cabral
5. Dalva
6. Diez Hermanos
7. Dolomore
8. Feist
9. Hunt Roope
10. Hutcheson
11. Lopes (Douro Wine Shippers & Growers Association)
12. Maia (Douro Wine Shippers & Growers Association)
13. Martins (Hutcheson)
14. Messias Cachao
15. Osborne
16. Pousada
17. Quinta do Sibio (Real Companhia Vinicola)
18. Royal Oporto Carvalhas
19. Santos Junior
20. C da Silva
21. Thienpont (Butler Nephew)
22. Mackenzie

[jdaw1]

Dalva
C da Silva

But dalvawines.pt/origin:

In 1933, Clemente da Silva, recently arrived from Brazil, fulfilled his life-long dream of becoming a producer of premium wines that would lead to the international expansion of his business: C. da Silva – an abbreviation of his own name. A year later, he registered the Dalva brand, a contraction of “da Silva”. Simple to pronounce and very Portuguese, the brand achieved rapid success in its different markets.

[flash_uk]

Dalva
C da Silva

But dalvawines.pt/origin:

In 1933, Clemente da Silva, recently arrived from Brazil, fulfilled his life-long dream of becoming a producer of premium wines that would lead to the international expansion of his business: C. da Silva – an abbreviation of his own name. A year later, he registered the Dalva brand, a contraction of “da Silva”. Simple to pronounce and very Portuguese, the brand achieved rapid success in its different markets.

So potentially the same thing in different bottles.

This is the label from the C da Silva bottle. Charles is going to share the label from the Dalva bottle.

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[PhilW]

or I can post the one from the VPID if that would help (and yes, same company):

[jdaw1]

So potentially the same thing in different bottles.

I believe that they are, or at least were, the same, and that hence this tasting should have only one. But I am not the organiser.

[flash_uk]

So potentially the same thing in different bottles.

I believe that they are, or at least were, the same, and that hence this tasting should have only one. But I am not the organiser.

Would a C Da Silva bottle and a Dalva bottle both appearing be substantially different to a Warre and a BBR both appearing? I suppose in the second instance, the bottler is a UK bottler, so there's that.

[jdaw1]

Does anybody have a good contact at Dalva? I could cold-contact, but is there better?

[jdaw1]

to a Warre and a BBR both

BBR made by Warre, but not necessarily the same blend.

[Alex Bridgeman]

I have been told definitively that the blend in C da Silva, Dalva and Presidential is exactly the same. The only difference is the brand name, which is related to the intended sales destination.

[benread]

It was suggested to me this morning that as an attendee of flights 1-3 and a child of 1970 it would be rather churlish not to seek the completeness that attendance at flight 0 would offer. Might I be added to the waiting list please?


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[jdaw1]

Note for bottle providers.

Some of the three-bottle sets will be completely used — one of the first two will be thought imperfect, so the third opened. But for some, the first two bottles opened will be deemed good and so the third not opened. Those unopened third bottles will then be re-cellared. On the days of this tasting they will not be coming to the B&F — that would be organisational hassle that just isn’t happening, so don’t ask.

Instead over the following year they will be returned to owners, likely by being transferred at a tasting.

But if not collected nor returned within one year, then they become available for team use. That is, after a year of failure of return — whether my fault or that of the theoretical owners — they will then become available for team tastings.

If you object, well, tough.

A similar message has been posted in the flights-1–4 thread.

[flash_uk]

It was suggested to me this morning that as an attendee of flights 1-3 and a child of 1970 it would be rather churlish not to seek the completeness that attendance at flight 0 would offer. Might I be added to the waiting list please?


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Done. Better than evens chance of moving up to attendees.