Port Wine Picture in Cellar

[mosesbotbol]

I bought this Graham's Port poster several years ago and finally got around to getting framed and hung. It's from the 1980's



Up close

[MigSU]

Are we supposed to ignore the very neat and tidy wine cellar?

[jdaw1]

Good temperature: 56°F ≈ 13°C.

[mosesbotbol]

Good temperature: 56°F ≈ 13°C.

The cellar never gets to 70°F and the highest temperature happens around Oct. I keep it humidified most of the year as well. The summer doesn't need additional humidification.

[MigSU]

^^ Good stuff.

[mcoulson]

Picture is very nice .. cellar is excellent ... Only issue I can find is your clearly running out of port and wine as I can find at least 9 empty slots in the picture.

I would advise buying more port immediately to avoid a disaster !!

[mosesbotbol]

Picture is very nice .. cellar is excellent ... Only issue I can find is your clearly running out of port and wine as I can find at least 9 empty slots in the picture.

I would advise buying more port immediately to avoid a disaster !!

It's hard to keep up. My wife drinks as much port as me. In 2025 we drank around 75 bottles. Been concentrating on good cellar defenders. Just bought a case of 2020 Niepoort LBV $21 each and 2011 Warre LBV for $22. The other defender is the Maynard's 20 Tawny for around $31

[Mike J. W.]

Picture is very nice .. cellar is excellent ... Only issue I can find is your clearly running out of port and wine as I can find at least 9 empty slots in the picture.

I would advise buying more port immediately to avoid a disaster !!

It's hard to keep up. My wife drinks as much port as me. In 2025 we drank around 75 bottles. Been concentrating on good cellar defenders. Just bought a case of 2020 Niepoort LBV $21 each and 2011 Warre LBV for $22. The other defender is the Maynard's 20 Tawny for around $31

Moses? Where are you finding the Niepoort and Warre's at those prices?

[winesecretary]

On the approved TPF model, the correct amount of port to own is an amount that your descendants unto the fourth generation will not be able to get through at the same rate. So, for your 75 bottles a year, somewhere around 9,000 will see you through.

[mosesbotbol]

Moses? Where are you finding the Niepoort and Warre's at those prices?

The Niepoort at Saratoga Wine and Warre at my local Total Wine.

[jdaw1]

On the approved TPF model, the correct amount of port to own is an amount that your descendants unto the fourth generation will not be able to get through at the same rate. So, for your 75 bottles a year, somewhere around 9,000 will see you through.

Him
+ 3 children (let’s assume per generation).
+ 9 grandchildren
+ 27 great-grandchildren
+ 81 great-great-grandchildren.

Hence 1+3+9+27+81 = 121 people. Assume a baseline of 75 bottles a year; assume from age of twenty to eighty is 61 years of consumption.

Hence the basic cellar requirement is 121 × 75 × 61 = 553,575 bottles. Plus backups. Plus something for their dotage. Plus large formats for when thirsty.

Though this is a slight over-estimate, only because Moses is already past 20 years old. So maybe we lose half a person from this: 120½ × 75 × 61 = 551,287½ bottles. Which should be rounded up, likely to 553,575.

[Mike J. W.]

On the approved TPF model, the correct amount of port to own is an amount that your descendants unto the fourth generation will not be able to get through at the same rate. So, for your 75 bottles a year, somewhere around 9,000 will see you through.

Him
+ 3 children (let’s assume per generation).
+ 9 grandchildren
+ 27 great-grandchildren
+ 81 great-great-grandchildren.

Hence 1+3+9+27+81 = 121 people. Assume a baseline of 75 bottles a year; assume from age of twenty to eighty is 61 years of consumption.

Hence the basic cellar requirement is 121 × 75 × 61 = 553,575 bottles. Plus backups. Plus something for their dotage. Plus large formats for when thirsty.

Though this is a slight over-estimate, only because Moses is already past 20 years old. So maybe we lose half a person from this: 120½ × 75 × 61 = 551,287½ bottles. Which should be rounded up, likely to 553,575.

The math might work fine, but I believe there are two inherent flaws in your base assumption. The first flaw is that all of Moses descendants will drink Port at the same rate as Moses. With the decline in drinking overall in the latest generations, this is probably not a good assumption. The second flaw is assuming that ALL of his descendants will drink Port at all. I think most of us might be the only Port drinkers in their family or maybe one or two others might drink Port very occasionally.

Based on those two variables, I suggest we call Zak in to do some modeling in order to determine what is the more likely number of required bottles.

[mosesbotbol]

Do any port houses even have 500K+ bottle counts in their cellars?

[jdaw1]

The math might work fine, but I believe there are two inherent flaws in your base assumption. The first flaw is that all of Moses descendants will drink Port at the same rate as Moses. With the decline in drinking overall in the latest generations, this is probably not a good assumption. The second flaw is assuming that ALL of his descendants will drink Port at all. I think most of us might be the only Port drinkers in their family or maybe one or two others might drink Port very occasionally.

That’s fair. So assume that half don’t drink, and the remainder drink half as much, so, approx, that quarters the required cellar size, to an entirely achievable ≈137,822 bottles. I accept this correction.

Do any port houses even have 500K+ bottle counts in their cellars?

Then they too are light.

[mosesbotbol]

The easiest solution is for me to buy one of the port houses. Taylor Fladgate Botbol. Has a nice ring to it.

[winesecretary]

Paging Doty to the thread…

[Mike J. W.]

The easiest solution is for me to buy one of the port houses. Taylor Fladgate Botbol. Has a nice ring to it.

Will you be providing a "Friends and Family" discount?

[mosesbotbol]

The easiest solution is for me to buy one of the port houses. Taylor Fladgate Botbol. Has a nice ring to it.

Will you be providing a "Friends and Family" discount?

I'll do "all you can drink" when you come to visit.