Cockburn's Lacrima Christi 1974

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Cockburn's Lacrima Christi 1974

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Never heard of it before. What is it?

Someone's putting this up for sale (no asking price, free bidding). Obviously someone who doesn't know much either, cause the tittle of this post is all the information given. Googling doesn't reveal anything either.
I'm not thinking of buying, I'm just curious.
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No idea
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Could be a Colheita?
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Derek T. wrote:Could be a Colheita?
Could be junk. I can find no reference to this anywhere.
Port is basically a red drink
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You clever sods might of already known this, but Lacrima Christi means the 'tears of christ'.

Dont really know how that helps, but interesting.

Lacrima Christi means 'tears of Christ,' and as legend has it the wines of this area of Vesuvius were so named because here, it is said, that Lucifer was cast out of heaven, causing Christ to weep.

You dont think there might be a connection with AHB's favourite tipple?

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Conky wrote:You clever sods might of already known this, but Lacrima Christi means the 'tears of christ'.

Dont really know how that helps, but interesting.
I did know that, but only because I looked it up on Google.
Port is basically a red drink
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I was wondering whether it was some form of communion wine, but on examination of Google, I found this in an article on Malaga:
"Lágrima": Meaning literally “tear†, it designates wine that has been produced using must obtained without any mechanical treatment, that is, it flows spontaneously when the grapes are trod. These wines are aged for two years and may be called “Lacrimae Christi†.
If the second word in the cursive script, which I can barely make out, is “Reserve†, I wonder if it is a foot-trodden Ruby?
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Who let this clever sod in the forum :shock:
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Perhaps you'd like to have a look here http://www.qwertymuzik.com/pocas/ for a little bit of information. You can skip the intro. Navigation: wine/winelist/Pocas/Pocas Lagrima
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Some more information here http://www.qwertymuzik.com/pocas/boffic ... 0FTeng.pdf with that young man (not Frank Zappa) on the label.
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Michael M. wrote:Perhaps you'd like to have a look here http://www.qwertymuzik.com/pocas/ for a little bit of information. You can skip the intro. Navigation: wine/winelist/Pocas/Pocas Lagrima
Do you know when your just in the mood, well DONT skip the intro. magnificent al fresco artwork and pleasant guitar music. Very relaxing.
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Conky wrote:
Michael M. wrote:Perhaps you'd like to have a look here http://www.qwertymuzik.com/pocas/ for a little bit of information. You can skip the intro. Navigation: wine/winelist/Pocas/Pocas Lagrima
Do you know when your just in the mood, well DONT skip the intro. magnificent al fresco artwork and pleasant guitar music. Very relaxing.
Nothing to disagree.
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So a very sweet white Port. Bit of a curiosity though.

Mystery solved. Thanks to all.
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I’d be curious to find out how much someone eventually pays for it, if you find out.
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JacobH wrote:I’d be curious to find out how much someone eventually pays for it, if you find out.
I'll keep an eye on it.
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Rubby,

What are the chances of you attending a :tpf: off-line at some point?

If it is a possibility then it might be fun if you buy this bottle and bring it along so that we could taste it? I would be happy to split the cost provided it stays reasonable. I don't know anything about the site it is advertised on so have no idea what it would go for. Do you?

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Derek T. wrote:Rubby,

What are the chances of you attending a :tpf: off-line at some point?

If it is a possibility then it might be fun if you buy this bottle and bring it along so that we could taste it? I would be happy to split the cost provided it stays reasonable. I don't know anything about the site it is advertised on so have no idea what it would go for. Do you?

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In this case the seller has set no price or minimum bid. It's up to the buyers to bid on the item.
The seller can take whatever he'll find reasonable or can even decide not to sell at all. It's not an auction site, so he doesn't have to sell.
It's a bit like the classifieds in the local newspaper; totally free of commitment.

I might throw in a bid, as long as the price doesn't go sky high.

The chances of me attending an off-line in the near future are nil. Sorry. :(
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Rubby wrote: The chances of me attending an off-line in the near future are nil. Sorry. :(
Rubby,

There is talk of an Off-line in the Netherlands in July or August - could you attend that?

Regardless of your answer I would still be interested in sharing the cost of this bottle and then waiting until we can meet at an off-line to taste it. Send me a PM if you want to talk dirty about money :lol:

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Remember he's a Scotsman, so the conversation may go along the lines of

"So my share is £50? So that's £40? £30 right? when do you want the £20 paid?"

:D Alan :D
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Conky wrote:Remember he's a Scotsman, so the conversation may go along the lines of

"So my share is £50? So that's £40? £30 right? when do you want the £20 paid?"

:D Alan :D
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It's late at night, and I'm ignoring the ironing until 6am in the morning, when I need to get it together to keep you all safe... :oops:
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Conky wrote:It's late at night, and I'm ignoring the ironing until 6am in the morning, when I need to get it together to keep you all safe... :oops:
Try being a Scotsman living in the north of England and you'll get the joke :wink:
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Is Chesterfield the North of England?

I've got to study that map more. I thought it was midlands?
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Conky wrote:Is Chesterfield the North of England?

I've got to study that map more. I thought it was midlands?
It's north of Watford, which seems to be the border.
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Of course if we're using AHB's rules, it's close to Iceland!
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Derek T. wrote:
Rubby wrote: The chances of me attending an off-line in the near future are nil. Sorry. :(
Rubby,

There is talk of an Off-line in the Netherlands in July or August - could you attend that?

Regardless of your answer I would still be interested in sharing the cost of this bottle and then waiting until we can meet at an off-line to taste it. Send me a PM if you want to talk dirty about money :lol:

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Rubby, it would be great if you are able to attend this offline. I will probably be held the night of July 2.
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Derek T. wrote:
Rubby wrote: The chances of me attending an off-line in the near future are nil. Sorry. :(
Rubby,

There is talk of an Off-line in the Netherlands in July or August - could you attend that?
:oops: oops... missed the thread. I might be able to attend that one. I'll have to check my agenda tonight.
Derek T. wrote:Regardless of your answer I would still be interested in sharing the cost of this bottle and then waiting until we can meet at an off-line to taste it. Send me a PM if you want to talk dirty about money :lol:

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To be honest I've already send an email to the seller. Just the fact that so few people knew what it was makes it so much more interesting. :wink:
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Conky wrote:Remember he's a Scotsman, so the conversation may go along the lines of

"So my share is £50? So that's £40? £30 right? when do you want the £20 paid?"

:D Alan :D
That reputation is not limited to Scots only...
You don't have expressions like "a Dutch treat" or "to go Dutch" for nothing...
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10Anos wrote:
Conky wrote:Remember he's a Scotsman, so the conversation may go along the lines of

"So my share is £50? So that's £40? £30 right? when do you want the £20 paid?"

:D Alan :D
That reputation is not limited to Scots only...
You don't have expressions like "a Dutch treat" or "to go Dutch" for nothing...
Is that the reason for those sayings?

Well I never. I always thought it was to do with Dutch practicalities, and the fact that no-one avoids their share. I didn't realise it was derogatory.

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The use of "Dutch", in derogatory terms, comes from the Dutch Wars of the Charleses, especially Chuck I. The English had been bestest buddies with the Dutch for centuries, especially in defeating the Portuguese.

However, the Dutchies went and built themselves a bloody great big merchant navy that dominated trade, especially the spice trade. Chuck I thought that they'd got above themselves and the wars went on up until Chuck II worked out that warring with the Dutch was a bit rubbish.

Several terms, such as: "Going Dutch" - suggesting the Dutch were careful with money; "Dutch Uncle" - somebody that stridently tells you what to do; "Dutch Wife" - prostitute; "Double Dutch" - incomprehensible language, stuck long after we'd become bestest buddies again.
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Well, lets just say that here in the south we generally consider the people in the coastal provinces a little thrifty or even stingy. I can't imagine this was always the case because in the 17th century (which we call "de gouden eeuw" meaning "the golden century") it were those provinces that were most wealthy as a result of all the overseas trading...

IMO some of the expressions seem to have at least some truth, because many Dutch are careful with money. And some Dutch can be a little too direct when it comes to voicing their opinions.

In the 17th century foreigners considered what was to become the Netherlands a bit of a mess with a number of different churches, too much freedom for women, bourgeosie and lack of hierarchie. That may have been the origin of expressions like Dutch wife.
Come to think of it, some foreigners still consider the NL a bit of a mess with things like our soft-drugs policy...
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10Anos wrote:Well, lets just say that here in the south we generally consider the people in the coastal provinces a little thrifty or even stingy. I can't imagine this was always the case because in the 17th century (which we call "de gouden eeuw" meaning "the golden century") it were those provinces that were most wealthy as a result of all the overseas trading...

IMO some of the expressions seem to have at least some truth, because many Dutch are careful with money. And some Dutch can be a little too direct when it comes to voicing their opinions.

In the 17th century foreigners considered what was to become the Netherlands a bit of a mess with a number of different churches, too much freedom for women, bourgeoisie and lack of hierarchy. That may have been the origin of expressions like Dutch wife.
Come to think of it, some foreigners still consider the NL a bit of a mess with things like our soft-drugs policy...
Interesting.

I'd like to think my country could teach you a few lessons, but we are at least equally hopeless.

Immigration is my big bugbear at the moment. It was bad enough having all the Celts about, telling us how they are proud of their homeland, whilst living amongst us, but now it's Eastern Europeans in huge numbers.

Alan

(Am I right in thinking we have gently wandered into 'Meaningless Drivel')
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