Maps of the Douro

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 11:12 Fri 26 Mar 2010

I know this topic has been discussed a fair bit before but perhaps not from this angle. Does anyone have, or know to exist, a map of the Douro which shows the major Quintas and which has longitude and latitude markings on it?

The reason for asking is that if we could produce a list of Quintas and their geographic co-ordinates, we could then do interesting things with online and digital mapping tools. For instance, if you feed a co-ordinate into Wikipedia's GeoHack, you can get a page like which produces links to all the major online mapping sites, giving quick access to satellite photos and the like. A good example would be this for Quinta do Vesuvio.

This data could then easily be incorporated into

. For instance the tasting note list could have a little globe which you could click on:

Quinta do Vesuvio

vintage port

1863: V1863 AHB on 23 Sep 2008
1989
- V89 DRT on 25 Jun 2007
- V89 AHB on 07 Nov 2007
- V89 AP on 07 Nov 2007
- V89 AHB on 30 Nov 2008
- V89 DRT on 21 Feb 2010

[etc]

This would be quite helpful for people like me who can never remember where the Quintas are and also for anyone who just likes looking at the satellite photos of the Douro.

If there is a decent map, then this should be quite an easy task: reading the co-ordinates would probably just take an hour or so which is why I'm quite interested in it. If not, there are other ways (involving looking up the quintas on online mapping sites) but that would be much more time consuming.

Post by **jdaw1** » 11:22 Fri 26 Mar 2010

Good idea.

It gets complicated for blended ports: perhaps we could do something like ‟(maps: Malvedos, Lages, Tua, Vila Velha, Malhadas)”, which has the extra merit of not using the globe icon. Obvious the list would have to include every Quinta ever used by that blend.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 11:57 Fri 26 Mar 2010

jdaw1 wrote:It gets complicated for blended ports: perhaps we could do something like ‟(maps: Malvedos, Lages, Tua, Vila Velha, Malhadas)”, which has the extra merit of not using the globe icon. Obvious the list would have to include every Quinta ever used by that blend.

Yes, of course, which is why I primarily had SQVPs in mind. I think the difficult bit might be getting the data; once that is done deciding what to do with it should be easy.

RonnieRoots · Post by **RonnieRoots** » 12:09 Mon 29 Mar 2010

I would guess the army maps have longitude/latitude markings? A good number of quintas are specified on these maps, although they are not complete.

I don't really see the sense of naming every quinta that makes part of a blended vintage port (and since there are many, many small quintas that contribute grapes, it would also be an impossible task), but for SQVP's this is a great tool.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 14:03 Mon 29 Mar 2010

RonnieRoots wrote:I would guess the army maps have longitude/latitude markings? A good number of quintas are specified on these maps, although they are not complete.

Hmm...do you know where I could get such a map?

I've started to do this by the hard way (looking up the Quintas on Google Maps and getting the longitude & latitude from that) and have got the following low-hanging fruit which I've now added to my tasting note database:

Any assistance would be helpful. The process is simple: find the Quinta on Google Maps. Right-click on it. Click either What's here or O que é isto? (if you are using the Portuguese site). Then get the co-ordinates either from the side bar or the search box.

Glenn E. · Post by **Glenn E.** » 21:33 Mon 29 Mar 2010

Quinta do Panascal: 41.146798,-7.573131 or +41Â° 8' 48.47", -7Â° 34' 23.27" if you prefer.
Quinta de la Rosa: 41.182013,-7.552779 or +41Â° 10' 55.25", -7Â° 33' 10.00" if you prefer.

Post by **DRT** » 01:01 Thu 01 Apr 2010

CarvalhÃ£s 41.181767, -7.532882
SÃ£o Luiz 41.157526, -7.616605
Tedo 41.156864, -7.640347
Napoles 41.148805, -7.642552
Foz 41.189337, -7.549807
Terra Feita 41.215240, -7.544689
Ventozelo 41.186454, -7.513592
Tua 41.212113, -7.428110
CachÃ£o 41.143970, -7.332457
Senhora de Ribeira 41.146584, -7.260128
Seixo 41.167792, -7.555300
Porto 41.173574, -7.564430

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 09:58 Thu 01 Apr 2010

Thanks Derek and Glenn. Much appreciated

I decided that the GeoHack thing, whilst quite useful, isn't exactly what I had in mind as you can't really get a sense of the fact that (e.g.) Senhora da Ribeira is on the opposite side of the river to Vesuvio.

I've therefore decided it might be better to put something together myself. A draft is available at http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/. It still need some configuration so that we could integrate it with the TN database (assuming the Admin might be interested in something like this) but I'm quite pleased with how its turned out now.

Any further co-ordinates would be very welcome. A list, as Derek has done, is perfect for this sort of thing.

Post by **jdaw1** » 12:32 Thu 01 Apr 2010

JacobH wrote:http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/

Hmmm: I like.

In terms of links to the TN database, I’d be happy to add such IDs as would help. Can the individual labels be links? In terms of links from the TN database, instruct and I’ll endeavour to cope.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 14:31 Thu 01 Apr 2010

jdaw1 wrote:In terms of links to the TN database, I’d be happy to add such IDs as would help. Can the individual labels be links? In terms of links from the TN database, instruct and I’ll endeavour to cope.

Yes, the labels can. Alternatively, we can have a pop-up balloon when you click on the pin containing more information (such as links &c.); I'll try both and see what is more intuitive. In terms of the IDs, what is the simplest way of implementing it at your end? Could we have the ID being the Quinta's full name minus the shipper (e.g. for Cálem Quinta da Foz could id="Quinta da Foz")? That was most things should match up automatically.

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:53 Thu 01 Apr 2010

JacobH wrote:Could we have the ID being the Quinta's full name minus the shipper (e.g. for Cálem Quinta da Foz could id="Quinta da Foz")? That was most things should match up automatically.

IDs should be lower case without spaces. Subject to that, send me a list of your preferred IDs and I’ll add a column to a spreadsheet table.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 16:02 Thu 01 Apr 2010

JacobH wrote:That was most things should match up automatically.

Sorry, meant that way...

jdaw1 wrote:IDs should be lower case without spaces. Subject to that, send me a list of your preferred IDs and I’ll add a column to a spreadsheet table.

I've made it automatically generate links to name of the quinta, lower-case and without spaces (e.g. #quintadelarosa for Quinta de la Rosa). Can you generate those automatically? If there are then any discrepancies/problems, we could sort them out afterwards.

I've also added a function to centre on a particular quinta via an external link (e.g. http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/inde ... osmalvedos (though "quinta=Quinta dos Malvedos" will also work: it is case and space insensitive)).

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:29 Thu 01 Apr 2010

Please PM me your list of preferred IDs, which I shall reuse for your parameters.

Post by **DRT** » 17:36 Thu 01 Apr 2010

This is excellent, Jacob, thanks for doing this.

Subject to my co-author setting me too much work to do this weekend I will happily provide more co-ordinates this weekend.

Julian, if it is easy to do please post of send me a list of all of the Quintas currently listed in the TN index so that I can prioritise those over all others.

Derek

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 20:13 Thu 01 Apr 2010

DRT wrote:Subject to my co-author setting me too much work to do this weekend I will happily provide more co-ordinates this weekend.

Thanks. That’s great.

DRT wrote:Julian, if it is easy to do please post of send me a list of all of the Quintas currently listed in the TN index so that I can prioritise those over all others.

I’m not sure if Julian has done so yet, but as this is pretty easy to do, I’ll send you the list now.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 10:45 Fri 02 Apr 2010

Julian has, very kindly, added the relevant code to the TN page so we can link directly from the map to it. I’ve also made a few other changes (e.g. adding Quintas’ websites when they exist &c.) and messed around with the code a bit more.

If anyone reading this could have a play and give me any thoughts, I’d be grateful. I’d be particularly interested in hearing of any major (e.g. ‟it doesn’t work”) or minor (e.g. ‟this is awkward”) problems and any improvements or suggestions.

The link is the same: http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map

Post by **jdaw1** » 11:08 Fri 02 Apr 2010

When you’ve decided how to link to the map from the alphabetical TN index, please let me know. I envisage, at the end of a subset of lines containing a â—Š, a ‟ (map)”: all that I need to know is the link, which would ideally consist of a prefix string, the HTML ID, and a postfix string.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 11:23 Fri 02 Apr 2010

jdaw1 wrote:When you’ve decided how to link to the map from the alphabetical TN index, please let me know. I envisage, at the end of a subset of lines containing a â—Š, a ‟ (map)”: all that I need to know is the link, which would ideally consist of a prefix string, the HTML ID, and a postfix string.

Currently, the prefix string is:
http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/index.php?quinta=
though the first part of it (i.e. that which precedes index.php) may change if it is uploaded to

. The ID will then be the same as the ID for the anchor in you index page (i.e. vesuvio for Vesuvio; canais for Canais). There is no postfix string. Completed examples might be http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/inde ... nta=canais and
http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/inde ... ta=vesuvio. Although this is probably irrelevant for your purposes, I’ve made it fairly flexible so it is case and space insensitive and will take either the full (‟Quinta dos Malvedos”) or short (‟Malvedos”) name of the quinta.

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:03 Fri 02 Apr 2010

If you can send me a list of the IDs that have been implemented in you system, I might be able to cope soon.

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:16 Fri 02 Apr 2010

Cancel that. Copied by hand. Please comment. Link: alphabetical TN index.

Post by **DRT** » 21:13 Fri 02 Apr 2010

jdaw1 wrote:Please comment.

Splendid. I can't think of any improvements at this point other than adding more quintas, so I'll get on with finding some more.

Post by **DRT** » 00:29 Sat 03 Apr 2010

A few more...

Quinta de Ervamoira 41.019914, -7.112854 This was a guess - someone who knows needs to check
Quinta do Convento de SÃ£o Pedro das águias 41.086096, -7.517738 Website: http://www.senhoradoconvento.com/en/domaine.htm
Quinta do CachÃ£o 41.143970, -7.332457
Quinta Senhora da Ribeira 41.146584, -7.260128
Quinta do Panascal 41.146798,-7.573131
Quinta de Napoles 41.148805, -7.642552
Quinta de Vale MeÃ£o 41.148874, -7.128110
Quinta da Pacheca 41.152534, -7.797074
Quinta das Lages 41.156169, -7.512782
Quinta do Tedo 41.156864, -7.640347
Quinta SÃ£o Luiz 41.157526, -7.616605
Quinta de Madelena 41.159271, -7.508876
Quinta do Retiro Novo 41.159582, -7.522802
Quinta da Corte 41.160385, -7.559007
Quinta Nova de Nossa Senhora do Carmo 41.162114, -7.595608
Quinta do Vallado 41.162361, -7.766167
Quinta do Vale Dona Maria 41.165159, -7.511730
Quinta da Agua Alta 41.165167, -7.622194
Quinta do Boa Vista 41.165749, -7.574097
Quinta do Seixo 41.167792, -7.555300
Quinta do Porto 41.173574, -7.564430
Quinta do Infantado 41.174067, -7.580298
Quinta da Vista Allegre 41.179090, -7.565331
Quinta das Carvalhas 41.181767, -7.532882
Quinta de la Rosa 41.182013,-7.552779
Quinta de Ventozelo 41.186454, -7.513592
Cálem Quinta da Foz 41.189337, -7.549807
Quinta da Eira Velha 41.192933, -7.553562
Quinta de Roriz 41.197301, -7.486158
Quinta da Romaneira 41.202213, -7.497236 The co-ordinates to the left are of the original Quinta buildings, now a hotel. The new winery is located at 41.214159, -7.493663
Quinta do Junco 41.205385, -7.553304
Quinta do Tua 41.212113, -7.428110
Quinta do Noval Nacional Vineyard 41.213594, -7.536122
Quinta de Terra Feita 41.215240, -7.544689
Quinta da Cavadinha 41.218614, -7.554281
Quinta do Cruzeiro 41.230690, -7.528977
Quinta do Passadouro 41.235075, -7.531246
Quinta do Fojo 41.251589, -7.529390

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 09:54 Sat 03 Apr 2010

Excellent. Many thanks for those, Derek. They’ve been added to the map

I’ve also tweaked the code so that direct links to quintas with accents in their names now work.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 12:07 Mon 05 Apr 2010

I have now finished writing a very short blurb about each Quinta on the map which appears when you click on the pin. The idea is that it might be interesting to be able to see, at a glance, who owns a particular Quinta and what happens to any wine produced there. (Though I haven’t yet proof read them, so there may be lots of typos...Apologies in advance

). That said, if the map does get moved to

and such commentary is seen as undesirable, it would be easy to remove.

Having looked through the Liddell’s book, I think we now have most of the important Quintas located. The only ones that I think are missing which really ought to be on the map are: Bom Retiro; Chousa (if this is still separate from Tua?); CÃ´tto; da Gricha; Roeda; Silval; Vau; and Zimbro. Could anyone help with locating those, please? I can probably work them out from other maps, but as I got the Nacional vineyard in the wrong place, someone with some more experience might be more accurate!

Post by **DRT** » 14:41 Mon 05 Apr 2010

DRT wrote:Quinta da Pacheca 41.152534, -7.797074

Correction: Quinta da Pacheca 41.155733, -7.798340

Post by **DRT** » 16:08 Mon 05 Apr 2010

Frustrated of Chesterfield says: the web presence of most small Port producers is simply woeful.

...even some of those who run hotels and guest houses on their Douro properties do not have good maps or directions on their websites showing the location

Post by **DRT** » 16:18 Mon 05 Apr 2010

A few more...

Quinta do Javali 41.185501, -7.389840 http://www.quintadojavali.com/
Quinta do CÃ´tto 41.170708, -7.846706 http://www.quinta-do-cotto.pt/
Quinta Sra do Rosário 41.139203, -7.394528 http://www.quevedoportwine.com
Quinta de Silval 41.230896, -7.528617 http://www.quintadosilval.pt/

Jacob, can you please give me the co-ordinates you have used for the following quintas so that I can update the list I am building in a spreadsheet? Thanks.

Quinta de Vargellas
Quinta do Bomfim
Quinta do Crasto
Quinta do Noval
Quinta do Vesuvio
Quinta dos Canais
Quinta do Portal

Derek

Post by **DRT** » 16:24 Mon 05 Apr 2010

Has anyone ever been to Quinta do Sibio?

Is it here?

Post by **DRT** » 16:43 Mon 05 Apr 2010

DRT wrote:Quinta de Roriz 41.197301, -7.486158

Correction: Quinta de Roriz 41.194875, -7.477934

Sorry. Shoddy work.

But I have now found the Google Earth is helpful as it contains many tags that have presumably been left by people who know what is what. It is a shame that Google Earth and Google Maps seem to be two nations separated by a common language

Jacob, is there a way of uploading the locations we are identifying into Google Earth and/or Google Maps for the benefit of all?

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 16:44 Mon 05 Apr 2010

DRT wrote:
DRT wrote:Quinta da Pacheca 41.152534, -7.797074
Correction: Quinta da Pacheca 41.155733, -7.798340

DRT wrote:Quinta do Javali 41.185501, -7.389840 http://www.quintadojavali.com/
Quinta do CÃ´tto 41.170708, -7.846706 http://www.quinta-do-cotto.pt/
Quinta Sra do Rosário 41.139203, -7.394528 http://www.quevedoportwine.com
Quinta de Silval 41.230896, -7.528617 http://www.quintadosilval.pt/

Many thanks. I’ve updated Pacheca and will add those

DRT wrote:Jacob, can you please give me the co-ordinates you have used for the following quintas so that I can update the list I am building in a spreadsheet? Thanks.

Quinta de Vargellas :: 41.142778, -7.315833
Quinta do Bomfim :: 41.19, -7.529444
Quinta do Crasto :: 41.165833, -7.628056
Quinta do Noval :: 41.213333, -7.537778
Quinta do Vesuvio :: 41.141111, -7.261667
Quinta dos Canais :: 41.150278, -7.304167

I don’t yet have a location for Quinta do Portal. It’s probably too late for you, but I should mention that you can also read all the co-ordinates by going to the list of entires or download the data as an XML file which Excel might be able to read in a vaguely sensible way.

DRT wrote:Frustrated of Chesterfield says: the web presence of most small Port producers is simply woeful.

...even some of those who run hotels and guest houses on their Douro properties do not have good maps or directions on their websites showing the location

It’s not just the small ones. How many shippers have ridiculously over-designed websites which, once you’ve entered your date of birth (why?), subject you to a five minute flash introduction before you have a chance to realise there is no actual information beyond announcements of the 2003 declaration?

Post by **DRT** » 16:47 Mon 05 Apr 2010

A suggestion on presentation: I think it would be easier to use the links to the quintas if they were displayed in some sort of fudged alpha order as a list down the left hand side of the map rather than as a continuous string along the bottom.

Post by **DRT** » 16:54 Mon 05 Apr 2010

JacobH wrote:
DRT wrote:Frustrated of Chesterfield says: the web presence of most small Port producers is simply woeful.

...even some of those who run hotels and guest houses on their Douro properties do not have good maps or directions on their websites showing the location
It’s not just the small ones. How many shippers have ridiculously over-designed websites which, once you’ve entered your date of birth (why?), subject you to a five minute flash introduction before you have a chance to realise there is no actual information beyond announcements of the 2003 declaration?

I agree with all of that. Someone who knows how to create useless visuals in Flash has made a ton of cash out of the Port trade. Well done. But useless and very annoying for people who want information rather than fluff.

I think the date of birth thing is so that they can defend law suits when someone decides to blame them for either (a) causing them to begin drinking at 5 years old or (b) corrupting their mind and shrivelling their liver by showing pretty pictures that directly resulted in their alchoholism. It seems to be mitigating risks that are unlikely to occur in a sensible world but since they now sell port to the New World it is probably a safe strategy to follow.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 16:57 Mon 05 Apr 2010

DRT wrote:
DRT wrote:Quinta de Roriz 41.197301, -7.486158
Correction: Quinta de Roriz 41.194875, -7.477934

Sorry. Shoddy work.

Not at all. Many thanks for the update, which I’ve added to the map.

DRT wrote:Jacob, is there a way of uploading the locations we are identifying into Google Earth and/or Google Maps for the benefit of all?

I’m not sure for Google Maps. I can’t see an obvious way, beyond putting out the information and hoping Google gets it automatically, but I will continue to investigate. As for Google Earth, I’m afraid I’ve never used it, but I will take a look.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 17:13 Mon 05 Apr 2010

DRT wrote:A suggestion on presentation: I think it would be easier to use the links to the quintas if they were displayed in some sort of fudged alpha order as a list down the left hand side of the map rather than as a continuous string along the bottom.

The problem with that might be that there are rather more Quintas than can be fitted in in the height of the map. I’ve changed it so you can see what it looks like. Your thoughts?

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 17:16 Mon 05 Apr 2010

JacobH wrote:
DRT wrote:A suggestion on presentation: I think it would be easier to use the links to the quintas if they were displayed in some sort of fudged alpha order as a list down the left hand side of the map rather than as a continuous string along the bottom.
The problem with that might be that there are rather more Quintas than can be fitted in in the height of the map. I’ve changed it so you can see what it looks like. Your thoughts?

On second thoughts, it might just about be possible, if I put the links as a side-bar running the complete height of the page...

Post by **DRT** » 17:53 Mon 05 Apr 2010

Even though the list already runs off the bottom of the screen I think that layout makes it easier to find a specific quinta.

I'm not sure if the technology would allow it but: is it possible that when you click on a link it zooms in (or out) to a specific level so that you can see the quinta and the immediately surrounding area in some detail?

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 23:18 Mon 05 Apr 2010

DRT wrote:I'm not sure if the technology would allow it but: is it possible that when you click on a link it zooms in (or out) to a specific level so that you can see the quinta and the immediately surrounding area in some detail?

Yes, that’s fairly straight-forward; I’ve add it to the map. Let me know whether the zoom is too little or too much...

Post by **DRT** » 08:48 Tue 06 Apr 2010

Excellent, thanks. I'm not sure if it's just my browser (IE7) but if you go to the list of entries without displaying the map the links to each quinta don't seem to take you back to the map.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 09:09 Tue 06 Apr 2010

DRT wrote:Excellent, thanks. I'm not sure if it's just my browser (IE7) but if you go to the list of entries without displaying the map the links to each quinta don't seem to take you back to the map.

Hmm...I'm not sure if I am trying to fix the wrong thing, but does it work as you were expecting now?

Post by **DRT** » 09:18 Tue 06 Apr 2010

JacobH wrote: Hmm...I'm not sure if I am trying to fix the wrong thing, but does it work as you were expecting now?

Yes. Thanks!

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 10:36 Tue 06 Apr 2010

I have now proof-read the blurbs about each Quinta (and tweaked some other things). Therefore, if you find any mistakes in them, please let me know.

Post by **DRT** » 19:29 Tue 06 Apr 2010

I just bought this from Amazon...

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Please note that it was not me who laid this 150+ year old book out in such an undignified and potentially damaging way

But I now own an original first edition of Forrester's Prize Essay and the reduced version of his map of the Douro

Post by **jdaw1** » 17:10 Thu 15 Apr 2010

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=34868#p34868]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:Map problems: donamaria; gontelho; novanossasenhoracarmo; madalena.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 10:13 Sat 17 Apr 2010

Question: for the purposes of this sort of map; where should we put the boundary between the Baixo Corgo and the Cima Corgo? The division seems to be placed as far West as Régua on some maps (such as in Alex Liddell’s book) and as far East as just beyond PinhÃ£o on others (particularly that of the Rota do Vinho do Porto which is what I used when I first drew up the map.)

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 11:29 Wed 21 Apr 2010

JacobH wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:When you’ve decided how to link to the map from the alphabetical TN index, please let me know. I envisage, at the end of a subset of lines containing a â—Š, a ‟ (map)”: all that I need to know is the link, which would ideally consist of a prefix string, the HTML ID, and a postfix string.
Currently, the prefix string is:
http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/index.php?quinta=
though the first part of it (i.e. that which precedes index.php) may change if it is uploaded to . The ID will then be the same as the ID for the anchor in you index page (i.e. vesuvio for Vesuvio; canais for Canais). There is no postfix string. Completed examples might be http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/inde ... nta=canais and
http://www.jacob-head.com/port/map/inde ... ta=vesuvio. Although this is probably irrelevant for your purposes, I’ve made it fairly flexible so it is case and space insensitive and will take either the full (‟Quinta dos Malvedos”) or short (‟Malvedos”) name of the quinta.

Jacob - the link to GrapeStories from the pin box seems to be broken.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 11:58 Wed 21 Apr 2010

AHB wrote:Jacob - the link to GrapeStories from the pin box seems to be broken.

I think the problem is with their website; the homepage (http://www.grapestories.com/) isn't working at the moment.

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 11:16 Sun 25 Apr 2010

JacobH wrote:
AHB wrote:Jacob - the link to GrapeStories from the pin box seems to be broken.
I think the problem is with their website; the homepage (http://www.grapestories.com/) isn't working at the moment.

It seems to have recovered and the links are working again.

Incidentally, does anyone have any thoughts on this, please?

JacobH wrote:Question: for the purposes of this sort of map; where should we put the boundary between the Baixo Corgo and the Cima Corgo? The division seems to be placed as far West as Régua on some maps (such as in Alex Liddell’s book) and as far East as just beyond PinhÃ£o on others (particularly that of the Rota do Vinho do Porto which is what I used when I first drew up the map.)

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 14:01 Sat 05 Mar 2011

I’m slowly updating the map, correcting locations and adding additional Quintas.

New Quintas include:

Aronzelo
Castelinho
Colmaao
RoÃªda
SidrÃ³
Zimbro

Corrected locations include:

Javali
Nova
Terra Feita

More questions: what should I do about quintas such as Quinta dos Aciprestes which were once major properties but are now not used for Port but for Douro Table Wine only, or places such as Quinta de SidrÃ³ which are, apparently, only used for lower-end Ports. Should I include them all or will it get too cluttered? Should ‟major” Quintas be highlighted? And if so, what criteria should I use to highlight them?

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 21:46 Sat 16 Jun 2012

I’ve been doing some more work on the map, double-checking the entries against other sources and making some corrections.

Could anyone help me with the following?

Up the PinhÃ£o river, where is Quinta do Fojo and Quinta do Cruzeiro? I think I’ve Fojo where Cruzeiro should be but I’m not sure where Fojo is actually located. I also assume, having looked some more that modern Cruzeiro is not the historic Quinta do Cruz, marked on Forrester’s Map between Noval and Silval.

In the Rio Torto, I think I have Quinta do Retiro Novo in completely the wrong place, possibly where Quinta do Retiro or Quinta do Bom Retiro are located. Could anyone assist with sorting that part of the map out, please?

Finally, I think I should also add Quinta da Gricha, but I don’t know exactly where it is. Could anyone assist? The easiest way is to go to Google maps, find where the quinta is on the satilite image, right-click on it and select ‟What’s here” or ‟O que é isto?”. The co-ordinates then appear in the search bar.

Thanks!

Jacob

Andy Velebil · Post by **Andy Velebil** » 09:53 Sun 17 Jun 2012

If my memory serves Gricha is adjacent to the south eastern edge of Qt d Roriz and the south western part of Qt d Vilha Velha.