Lifting the chill of January in NY (5pm, Sat 8 Jan 2011)

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 21:04 Wed 01 Dec 2010

Update:
Date: 5pm on Saturday the 8th of January, 2011.
Location: g-man's place. As this is at the private residence of one of our members, the address will be distributed to attendees via email.
Theme: Smith Woodhouse, VPs vs LBVs vs Colheitas

Smith Woodhouse 1976 Colheita
Smith Woodhouse 1980 VP
Smith Woodhouse 1983 VP
Smith Woodhouse 1984 LBV
Smith Woodhouse 1985 VP
Smith Woodhouse Madalena 1995 SQVP
Smith Woodhouse 1995 LBV

Attendees (+addl tasters, +non tasters):
g-man +2, +1
SushiNorth +2, +1
jdaw1
JohnInNYC

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Time for the next NY tasting!
I've two goals, first I am hoping for an influx of NY members -- either from Eric's article or from our own outreach (bring a friend!) -- and I'd like to give everyone a chance to get introduced before we do the Dow tasting. Second, of course, I'd like to drink port.

LBVs have been suggested several times, so let's try doing an educational LBV/VP tasting. I've the following bottles which may be of interest:

Smith Woodhouse LBV 1984,
Smith Woodhouse VP 1983
Rozes LBV 1994
Rozes VP 1994

(I've a Taylor lbv 94, too, but i doubt it's time to open it's VP brother

).

[strike]Beacon Restaurant worked well last time, so I'd suggest we aim for a little earlier (say 5pm) on Sunday, January 9th. Thoughts?[/strike]

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:20 Wed 01 Dec 2010

Rozès 1997 needs several days of decanting. It’s terrible until the third day. I don’t know about the Rz94, but maybe it is similar.

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 21:28 Wed 01 Dec 2010

jdaw1 wrote:Rozès 1997 needs several days of decanting. It’s terrible until the third day. I don’t know about the Rz94, but maybe it is similar.

Quite, we've judged it as a 4 day decant.

TBird · Post by **TBird** » 21:34 Wed 01 Dec 2010

NFL Jan. 8-9 -- Wild-card playoff round.

Post by **DRT** » 21:39 Wed 01 Dec 2010

jdaw1 wrote:Rozès 1997 needs several days of decanting. It’s terrible until the third day. I don’t know about the Rz94, but maybe it is similar.

This being evidence of the above. Terrible, terrible stuff.

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 22:08 Wed 01 Dec 2010

TBird wrote:NFL Jan. 8-9 -- Wild-card playoff round.

Did you have an alternative proposition?

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 22:17 Wed 01 Dec 2010

Eh, the giants fan can stay at home.

The Jets are a lock for sure!

TBird · Post by **TBird** » 22:21 Wed 01 Dec 2010

gman house, so we can do both?!

SushiNorth wrote:
TBird wrote:NFL Jan. 8-9 -- Wild-card playoff round.

Did you have an alternative proposition?

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 00:52 Thu 02 Dec 2010

TBird wrote:gman house, so we can do both?!

SushiNorth wrote:
TBird wrote:NFL Jan. 8-9 -- Wild-card playoff round.

Did you have an alternative proposition?

thats true

my house in long island is certainly open then.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 03:52 Thu 09 Dec 2010

so let's do this out in long island at my house.

let me know who's in

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 17:06 Thu 23 Dec 2010

It sounds like will switch this day to Saturday Jan 8th. Sunday was only practical because Beacon has BYO on sundays; as we are to hold the tasting at g-man's place, it's BYO any day he declares it so.

Post by **jdaw1** » 17:12 Thu 23 Dec 2010

Could it be relevant that I will be in NY that weekend? But not with any bottles. Maybe I could adopt?

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 18:28 Thu 23 Dec 2010

jdaw1 wrote:Could it be relevant that I will be in NY that weekend? But not with any bottles. Maybe I could adopt?

You could adopt, but i think it would be my pleasure to spot.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 19:17 Thu 23 Dec 2010

If we do it sunday,

we'll do a fancy brunch wiht some bacon and pancakes

if it's saturday, we'll do dinner.

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 23:06 Thu 23 Dec 2010

If Julian is attending, how can I miss this?

I certainly don't mind a LBV tasting but perhaps we could up our game in honor of our surprise guest.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 23:22 Thu 23 Dec 2010

The date is Jan 8th

please modify sushi

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:32 Thu 23 Dec 2010

g-man wrote:The date is Jan 8th

please modify sushi

Done by me.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 23:32 Thu 23 Dec 2010

shall we maintain theme?

lbv vs vp with some other bottles thrown in?

Post by **jdaw1** » 00:02 Fri 24 Dec 2010

jfacciol wrote:perhaps we could up our game in honor of our surprise guest.

Agreed: now is the moment for the 1900/1904/1908 triple horizontal. Cockburn, Dow, Graham, Sandeman (all declared combinations).

g-man wrote:lbv vs vp with some other bottles thrown in?

As a backup, perhaps more realistic, it sounds reasonable.

Post by **DRT** » 00:07 Fri 24 Dec 2010

jdaw1 wrote:
jfacciol wrote:perhaps we could up our game in honor of our surprise guest.
Agreed: now is the moment for the 1900/1904/1908 triple horizontal. Cockburn, Dow, Graham, Sandeman (all declared combinations).

I was just about to post a warning to our American friends reminding them what they are dealing with here when jdaw1 made my warning somewhat redundant.

Post by **jdaw1** » 00:14 Fri 24 Dec 2010

DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:now is the moment for the 1900/1904/1908 triple horizontal. Cockburn, Dow, Graham, Sandeman (all declared combinations).
I was just about to post a warning to our American friends reminding them what they are dealing with here when jdaw1 made my warning somewhat redundant.

That G did not declare 1900, and D might not have? Easy mistake to make.

Post by **DRT** » 00:21 Fri 24 Dec 2010

Suggested improvement for software that makes Placemats:

IF AttendeeList INCLUDES jdaw1
THEN
WHERE AttendeeNationality = American
SET WaterTickBoxes x 2
ENDIF

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 01:15 Fri 24 Dec 2010

heheh how about a 1975 tasting

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 04:45 Fri 24 Dec 2010

Perhaps we can at least link the lbvs and the vps. In other words, a Warre's lbv and a Warre's vp. The lbvs and vps will not necessarily be the same years but at least we can see if there is some house consistency in style. I can't imagine how many combos Julian might be able to handle on his own; for us mere mortals, one combo per each two people? I could supply 1984 Smith Woodhouse LBV, 1984 Warre LBV, 1986 Warre LBV, 1989 Ramos Pinto LBV, 1990 Churchill LBV (?), 1990 Offley LBV, 1991 Ferreira LBV, 1991 Graham LBV, 1992 Niepoort LBV, 1994 Osborne LBV, 1994 Ramos Pinto LBV, and a few newer ones.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 02:04 Sat 25 Dec 2010

wow Jay is a treasure trove for lbvs.

I'll see if i can start hunting down the vp equivalents and since it's my place if we dont have enough I can simply just run down and pick up other stuff

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 21:45 Sat 25 Dec 2010

I could supply 1992 Niepoort VP and 1992 Niepoort LBV for one of the matchings. (Corrected from 1991).

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:58 Sat 25 Dec 2010

Who is to make placemats? I’m willing, but might have trouble effecting changes in the days ahead of the tasting.

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 15:14 Mon 27 Dec 2010

jfacciol wrote:Perhaps we can at least link the lbvs and the vps. In other words, a Warre's lbv and a Warre's vp. The lbvs and vps will not necessarily be the same years but at least we can see if there is some house consistency in style. I can't imagine how many combos Julian might be able to handle on his own; for us mere mortals, one combo per each two people? I could supply 1984 Smith Woodhouse LBV, 1984 Warre LBV, 1986 Warre LBV, 1989 Ramos Pinto LBV, 1990 Churchill LBV (?), 1990 Offley LBV, 1991 Ferreira LBV, 1991 Graham LBV, 1992 Niepoort LBV, 1994 Osborne LBV, 1994 Ramos Pinto LBV, and a few newer ones.

Nice, Jay. I don't have any clear matches, but i have some near-match VPs (Ferreira 94, Warre 85 which is tagged for drinking only at a TPF tasting, Osborne 95). I've also got a few of those Smith Woodhouse 84's and must say they are a phenomenal LBV and ought to make an appearance at our tasting.

I also could be convinced to bring wedding port (Smith Woodhouse 1995 LBV) if someone has a comparable match for it.

I will be bringing at least 3 people with me (wife (non-drinker), brother (attended the tawny tasting), and sister-in-law).
I will also encourage one of the guys from the Sandeman tasting to join us

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 00:54 Tue 28 Dec 2010

SushiNorth wrote:
jfacciol wrote:Perhaps we can at least link the lbvs and the vps. In other words, a Warre's lbv and a Warre's vp. The lbvs and vps will not necessarily be the same years but at least we can see if there is some house consistency in style. I can't imagine how many combos Julian might be able to handle on his own; for us mere mortals, one combo per each two people? I could supply 1984 Smith Woodhouse LBV, 1984 Warre LBV, 1986 Warre LBV, 1989 Ramos Pinto LBV, 1990 Churchill LBV (?), 1990 Offley LBV, 1991 Ferreira LBV, 1991 Graham LBV, 1992 Niepoort LBV, 1994 Osborne LBV, 1994 Ramos Pinto LBV, and a few newer ones.
Nice, Jay. I don't have any clear matches, but i have some near-match VPs (Ferreira 94, Warre 85 which is tagged for drinking only at a TPF tasting, Osborne 95). I've also got a few of those Smith Woodhouse 84's and must say they are a phenomenal LBV and ought to make an appearance at our tasting.

I also could be convinced to bring wedding port (Smith Woodhouse 1995 LBV) if someone has a comparable match for it.

I will be bringing at least 3 people with me (wife (non-drinker), brother (attended the tawny tasting), and sister-in-law).
I will also encourage one of the guys from the Sandeman tasting to join us

i'll provide a proper dinner so not as to bore the designated drivers.

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 03:54 Tue 28 Dec 2010

It would help me in deciding whether to attend to understand what is happening. Is this a port tasting? A dinner with wine, including some port? I appreciate the generosity of Jeff's hosting a dinner but I have to admit that what interests me is a port tasting.

Obviously, whatever the majority of folks want to do is fine (and I have no wish to stop the majority from doing whatever it wishes) but we should be clear in advance so that each of us can decide whether to attend.

Post by **jdaw1** » 08:39 Tue 28 Dec 2010

jfacciol wrote:but I have to admit that what interests me is a port tasting.

Seconded.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 15:04 Tue 28 Dec 2010

Some guests dont have any port at all and there seems to be a lack of inventory of lbv/vp wines that we could probably only come up with 4-6 bottles the current theme.

This is foremost a port tasting first, perhaps if we could think up another theme perhaps it might be easier for bottles to be provided.

There will happen to be some wines for dinner though especially for the lady's who do not wish to drink port with.

Right now the only bottles that have been suggested have been the 91 lbv niepoort and 91 vp niepoort.

we could potentially do a 76 colheita tasting,

i have the warres
the royal optorto is easily gotten
as is the krohn's
and the noval's

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 15:10 Tue 28 Dec 2010

To add:

I can easily get the sw 95

so our line up would currently be

niepoort 91 vp/lbv
sw 95 vp /lbv

we can also do a sw line up
sw lbv 92 has been declared and can probably be picked up
as with a warres 92 lbv witha warres 91 vp

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 15:46 Tue 28 Dec 2010

g-man wrote:Right now the only bottles that have been suggested have been the 91 lbv niepoort and 91 vp niepoort.

Rozes 94 VP & LBV
SWC 83VP & 84LBV

g-man wrote:we could potentially do a 76 colheita tasting, ... and the noval's (could be found in nyc)

I have seen this bottle for sale in NYC at bearable price, and they probably have more of it. While i have one bottle of it myself, it's being saved for an occasion.
Personally, I'm up for sticking to the original plan, tho.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 18:32 Tue 28 Dec 2010

alirght I'll get the sw 95
and the sw lbv 92, sw 91
as with a warres 92 lbv witha warres 91 vp

will post if there are any troubles.

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:07 Tue 28 Dec 2010

Thank you.

SushiNorth: please confirm that you’re happy to do placemats.

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 20:42 Tue 28 Dec 2010

jdaw1 wrote:SushiNorth: please confirm that you’re happy to do placemats.

I'd be happy to do the placemats

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 20:48 Tue 28 Dec 2010

g-man wrote:alirght I'll get the sw 95
and the sw lbv 92, sw 91
as with a warres 92 lbv witha warres 91 vp
will post if there are any troubles.

Before we get the SW 92/91, are there any other match-ups we can find (perhaps from other houses)? otherwise we'll wind up with 3 pairs (6 bottles) of sw, and 3 pairs of non-sw (niepoort, Warres, and Rozes). Another thought: given that there will be surprises, should we keep to 5 pairs instead of 6?

Perhaps a better question is, how many will be attending?

I am 4:
SushiNorth+3

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 22:57 Tue 28 Dec 2010

SushiNorth wrote:
g-man wrote:alirght I'll get the sw 95
and the sw lbv 92, sw 91
as with a warres 92 lbv witha warres 91 vp
will post if there are any troubles.
Before we get the SW 92/91, are there any other match-ups we can find (perhaps from other houses)? otherwise we'll wind up with 3 pairs (6 bottles) of sw, and 3 pairs of non-sw (niepoort, Warres, and Rozes). Another thought: given that there will be surprises, should we keep to 5 pairs instead of 6?

Perhaps a better question is, how many will be attending?

I am 4:
SushiNorth+3

hhey sushi, follow on email for attendance

i want to finalize the port tasting though.

Yes I'll have some surprises irregardless, perhaps we can do 2 SW comparisons
and 2 other houses?

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 16:06 Wed 29 Dec 2010

bad news, all of the warre's were from out of date listings.
as is the smithwoodhouse 92 lbv

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 17:03 Wed 29 Dec 2010

I am getting confused. Rather than the total number of attendees, which is relevant to Jeff in terms of dinner and how many folks he can fit, can we instead list folks who are attending for the purpose of tasting port? That will allow us to see if we are quorate for a port tasting and to see how many bottles of vp and lbv that we need.

Right now, we have Niepoort vp and lbv 1992 and Rozes vp and lbv 1994. That is enough for four to six port tasters. I can supply Warres vp 1983 or 1985 to match Warres lbv 1984 or 1986 and can also supply lbv and vp matchings for Smith Woodhouse, Grahams and Osborne working off the list of lbvs that I posted. The Graham and Osborne would be exact matches for 1991 and 1994 and the SW would be 1984 lbv and 1985 vp. I am happy to produce any of these matchings but need at least a week as the bottles will have to be shipped to me from Conn. (I have the Niepoort in-house).

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 17:23 Wed 29 Dec 2010

Confirmed Port tasters:
Sushi+1
g-man
jdaw
dominic
johnz
jfacciol

Guests:
above + possible 6 (3-4 non drinkers)

We have confirmed 7 tasters Jay.

looks to be about 12-14 people total.

I think you're correct we should stick with a Niepoort vp and lbv 92
and Rozes vp and lbv 94.

and I'll throw in 2 fonsecas from the 70s to round out this tasting.

SushiNorth · Post by **SushiNorth** » 17:59 Wed 29 Dec 2010

g-man wrote:Confirmed Port tasters:
Sushi+1
g-man
jdaw
dominic
johnz
jfacciol

Guests:
above + possible 6 (3-4 non drinkers)

We have confirmed 7 tasters Jay.

looks to be about 12-14 people total.

I think you're correct we should stick with a Niepoort vp and lbv 92
and Rozes vp and lbv 94.

and I'll throw in 2 fonsecas from the 70s to round out this tasting.

Sushi+2 (3 tasters), +1 wife nontaster/DD

That's 8, if tbird confirms, that'll make it 9.

Monkey wrench (feel free to dismiss this as a crazed suggestion):
As we progress down this, i had a different thought (while g-man is busy ruining surprises heh) -- have we done a SWC tasting? Given that SWC is one of the primary LBV producers, i wonder if we might put together an SWC VP tasting, with a few parallel LBVs for educational purposes? I've got VP's from 77, 83, 85, & 91 (& 94, but not ready), and LBVs from 84 and 95. The SWC SQVP Madalena 95 does appear to be sourcable in NYC, and probably is near-ready.
Then, for comparison purposes, we could add some F or W from suitable years. That brings us to 8 confirmed tasters, 7 SWC bottles, and a few others.
Thoughts?

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 19:43 Wed 29 Dec 2010

I think we can do a side by side blind to make it interesting.

Niepoort vp and lbv 92
and Rozes vp and lbv 94.
any of the SW years you have v any of the F years (I have all of the years you've mentioned on-site)

+ 1 guess that mystery bottle.

so 7 bottles for 8 tasters and what should be a fun tasting event too.

jfacciol · Post by **jfacciol** » 23:17 Wed 29 Dec 2010

It sounds like a terrific party but not really a port tasting.

I am going to sit this one out.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 03:12 Thu 30 Dec 2010

jfacciol wrote:It sounds like a terrific party but not really a port tasting.

I am going to sit this one out.

sorry to see you drop out jay, we'll have to get something more formal set up in the city.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 15:54 Thu 30 Dec 2010

We are formalizing this to a smithwoodhouse tasting.

we have the SW
83vp, 84lbv, 85vp
95vp, 95lbv

and i'm looking for 2 other bottles now as i post.

JohninNYC · Post by **JohninNYC** » 18:16 Thu 30 Dec 2010

Greetings all! Happy Holidays.

Please count me in a 1 person for Jan 8th. Please send me the address and time. As per the bottle, if there someone who has something I can adopt?

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 19:36 Fri 31 Dec 2010

a sw 76 colheita is added to the tasting.

g-man · Post by **g-man** » 15:38 Mon 03 Jan 2011

SW in tasting:

76 colheita
80 vp
83 vp
84 lbv
85 vp
95 vp
95 lbv