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Having seen a few threads on :tpf: where members have asked others to keep an eye out for specific Ports, I thought it might be an idea to have a ‟wanted” thread where those of us who are after specific bottles could advertise. I’m particularly thinking of odd bottles needed to fill out collections or for anniversaries (&c.). The general wish to buy good Port at good prices goes without saying!

Hopefully we may find that other :tpf: members have them already and a swap could occur; otherwise perhaps flagging them up here might mean that if anyone has some and is searching the web, planing to sell, they might come across this thread and offer them.

I’ll be happy to update this top post as necessary.

AHB in the UK would like to buy:
  • Pinto dos Santos 1963, Barros 1963, Berry Brothers 1963, Douro Wine Shippers Association 1963, Feist 1963, Kopke 1963, Krohn 1963, Messias 1963, Quinta De La Rosa 1963, Ramos Pinto 1963, Rocheda 1963, Rozes 1963, Tuke Holdsworth 1963, Hedges & Butler (or Butler Nephew) 1963 and any small independent quintas who may have produced a port in 1963.
AlexM in the UK would like to buy:
  • Taylor’s Quinta de Vargellas: 1961, 1964, 1968, 1970, 1972, 1974, 1976 and 1982;
  • Quinta do Noval 1995.
BenR in the UK would like to buy:
  • Any 1970 Vintage Port.
Christopher in the UK would like to buy:
  • Any Vintage Port bottled by Paton and Co (who used to bottle in Peterborough).
clawhit in the UK would like to buy:
  • Cockburn 1927.
DRT in the UK needs to buy:
  • Any 1965 Vintage Port.
g-man in the USA would like to buy:
  • Fonseca 1970.
Glenn.E in the USA would like to buy:
  • Any 1964 vintage Port.
  • Niepoort 1964 Garrafeira.
  • Any 1964 colheitas under $100.
  • Original Wooden Case of Quinta do Vesuvio 2000 for $360 or less.
JacobH in the UK would like to buy:
  • Graham’s Malvedos 1958, 1957 or older.
  • An original edition of Gerald Cobb’s ‟Oporto Older and Newer”.
smisse in the Netherlands woud like to buy:
  • Any 1981 Vintage Port.
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Good idea!

I am currently on the hunt for TQdVargellas 61,64,68,70,72,74,76,82.
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Alex M wrote:I am currently on the hunt for TQdVargellas 61,64,68,70,72,74,76,82.
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Anything 1970 now the prices should be a bit more reasonable!
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benread wrote:Anything 1970 now the prices should be a bit more reasonable!
Any ones in particular? My main idea was to help people find unusual bottles and there are quite a lot of ’70s out there at the moment!
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maybe for you guys in the UK!!!

i'm looking to stock some fonseca 70s!
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g-man wrote:maybe for you guys in the UK!!!

i'm looking to stock some fonseca 70s!
There is a fair amount of 1970 vintage on offer at the moment; it's not difficult to find with a little bit of patience. For example, Christies in December sold 6½ cases of Taylor 1970 for an average (including buyer's premium) of £80 per bottle and 6 cases of Warre 1970 for an average of £45 per bottle.

Fonseca 1970 is quite rare to see at auction and seems to attract quite a lot of demand, generally selling in the £75-85 per bottle range. I only saw it sold 3 times last year and one of those occasions was for £95 a bottle.

It's always quite difficult to help without an idea of the budget available. If you want F70 and have a budget of £50 per bottle, we're unlikely to be able to help. If you have a budget of £100 per bottle then we'll almost certainly be able to help. However, putting a budget on your "wants" list may actually have the effect of changing the market price if you are looking for unusual bottles and have reasonably deep pockets.

And as for me, I am looking for 1963 vintage ports with which to celebrate my 50th birthday in 2013. Specifically I am looking for the following wines, which I don't have already:
Pinto dos Santos, Barros, Berry Brothers own label, Douro Wine Shippers Association, Feist, Kopke, Krohn, Messias, De La Rosa, Ramos Pinto, Rocheda, Rozes, Tuke Holdsworth, Hedges & Butler (or Butler Nephew) and any small independent quintas who may have produced a port in 1963 that I would not have heard about. If anyone sees one of these on offer or hears about one of these, please let me know by PM. I'm happy to swap or buy.
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AHB wrote:It's always quite difficult to help without an idea of the budget available. If you want F70 and have a budget of £50 per bottle, we're unlikely to be able to help. If you have a budget of £100 per bottle then we'll almost certainly be able to help. However, putting a budget on your "wants" list may actually have the effect of changing the market price if you are looking for unusual bottles and have reasonably deep pockets.
This is what I was worried about in starting the thread, particularly your last sentence. However, I thought it would be worth having a Wanted list for odds-and-ends of bottles that people are after.
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AHB wrote:
g-man wrote:maybe for you guys in the UK!!!

i'm looking to stock some fonseca 70s!
There is a fair amount of 1970 vintage on offer at the moment; it's not difficult to find with a little bit of patience. For example, Christies in December sold 6½ cases of Taylor 1970 for an average (including buyer's premium) of £80 per bottle and 6 cases of Warre 1970 for an average of £45 per bottle.

Fonseca 1970 is quite rare to see at auction and seems to attract quite a lot of demand, generally selling in the £75-85 per bottle range. I only saw it sold 3 times last year and one of those occasions was for £95 a bottle.

It's always quite difficult to help without an idea of the budget available. If you want F70 and have a budget of £50 per bottle, we're unlikely to be able to help. If you have a budget of £100 per bottle then we'll almost certainly be able to help. However, putting a budget on your "wants" list may actually have the effect of changing the market price if you are looking for unusual bottles and have reasonably deep pockets.

And as for me, I am looking for 1963 vintage ports with which to celebrate my 50th birthday in 2013. Specifically I am looking for the following wines, which I don't have already:
Pinto dos Santos, Barros, Berry Brothers own label, Douro Wine Shippers Association, Feist, Kopke, Krohn, Messias, De La Rosa, Ramos Pinto, Rocheda, Rozes, Tuke Holdsworth, Hedges & Butler (or Butler Nephew) and any small independent quintas who may have produced a port in 1963 that I would not have heard about. If anyone sees one of these on offer or hears about one of these, please let me know by PM. I'm happy to swap or buy.
damn I was worried you say that,

i've been seeing hte f70 in the states go at auctino for about 160$/us which is what you guys see inthe UK.
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I'm always on the lookout for any vintage Port from 1964. I currently have Noval Nacional, Fonseca Guimaraens, Graham Malvedos, and Taylor Vargellas. The only other that I'm aware of (and am confident actually exists, as opposed to being a mis-listed Colheita) is a 1964 Niepoort Garrafeira which is extremely rare.

I'm also happy to find Colheitas under $100. I have a good supply of the Noval Colheita, the Dow Reserve (Colheita), and the Krohn White Colheita but would appreciate hearing about any that people find.

On an unrelated note, I'm also looking for a 6-pack of 2000 Vesuvio with OWC for a reasonable (US) price. Something in the $60/bottle or less range would be ideal, but I might be persuaded to go higher.
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I would love to own another 1927 Cockburn, purchased a bottle for £160 in December and would love to secure some more at around this price as unfortunately the December purchase didn't last very long and it blew me away at how good it was.
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All added to the list!
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A minor correction, which I didn't make clear enough in my original post. I'm looking for 1964 Colheitas under $100.

I am, of course, always happy to find good Colheitas under $100, but it's really only the ones from 1964 that I need help with. :wink:
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Glenn E. wrote:I am, of course, always happy to find good Colheitas under $100, but it's really only the ones from 1964 that I need help with. :wink:
I was thinking that it wasn’t too hard to find colheitas for under that price...even in the states! :wink: I’ll make the change.
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As all who have known me for some time will already know, I am only with you today because of my rigorous adherence to the theory that if I drink a vintage port from my birth year within one week of my birthday each year I am guaranteed to live for at least 54 weeks. If anyone doubts that this is true please feel free to explain why I have not died yet.

So, now that the science is out of the way, and, it would seem, undisputed: can I please ask that "DRT NEEDS more 1965 VP" be added to the list?

At this point in time I only have a guaranteed lifespan of 17 years :shock:
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Hi Jacob
What a great idea!
I am interested in buying ports which were bottled by Paton and Co who used to bottle in Peterborough.
They do occasionally come up for auction.
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I've added DRT's and Christopher's requests.

Incidentally, for this to work, I hope that anyone who has asked for things to be added to this list will keep an eye out for the others when buying Port and will let the other posters know if they come across anything.
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JacobH wrote: JacobH in the UK would like to buy:
  • An original edition of Charles Seller’s ‟Oporto Old and New”.
  • An original edition of Gerald Cobb’s ‟Oporto Older and Newer”.
DRT needs these too!

Jacob, do you have any edition of Cobb's book? I've never found a copy.
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DRT wrote: DRT needs these too!

Jacob, do you have any edition of Cobb's book? I've never found a copy.
No, sorry. Was just copying what I had written for Seller’s book where there are a few scanned editions around but few originals.

There is a copy of Cobb’s book in the Guildhall Library, which I might have a look at when I have some more time on my hands next month. It looks like a shorter work than Seller’s, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it didn’t have the lavish illustrations of the original.

For the record, my interest in having an original of Seller is so I can produce decent scans of the illustrations to allow a new edition to be published. If anyone could lend me a copy on that basis, I would be very happy.
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The IVDP Library in Oporto have original copies of both of these books. The Cobb book is nothing compared to the original work by Sellers.

If either of us stumble across a copy of Sellers it appears that the best plan is for me to buy it and you to borrow and scan it :wink:
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The British Library also have a copy of Sellers at Shelfmark 10162.k.1.
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DRT wrote:If either of us stumble across a copy of Sellers it appears that the best plan is for me to buy it and you to borrow and scan it :wink:
Hmm...I suppose if you were willing to buy a few copies of my new edition... :wink:
DRT wrote:The British Library also have a copy of Sellers at Shelfmark 10162.k.1.
I saw that, and am planning on having a look when I next go there. 88) It seems like there are quite a few copies in public libraries in the UK but, regrettably, not one in a borrowable place.
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JacobH wrote:
DRT wrote:If either of us stumble across a copy of Sellers it appears that the best plan is for me to buy it and you to borrow and scan it :wink:
Hmm...I suppose if you were willing to buy a few copies of my new edition... :wink:
If you produce one I will certainly buy it :D
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DRT wrote:
JacobH wrote:
DRT wrote:If either of us stumble across a copy of Sellers it appears that the best plan is for me to buy it and you to borrow and scan it :wink:
Hmm...I suppose if you were willing to buy a few copies of my new edition... :wink:
If you produce one I will certainly buy it :D
I ought to get on with it, then...
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Getting back on topic: AlexM - I have two bottles of Vargellas 76 and would be happy to trade one for something suitable. PM me if you're interested.
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AHB wrote:Getting back on topic
1. Thread Title = "Wanted Thread"
2. JacobH and DRT want books.

What was off-topic?
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Hi Jacob,

Great thread!

Can you add me for any Vintage port from 1981?
Only know one to me is Quinta do Infantado.

thank!

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smisse wrote:Can you add me for any Vintage port from 1981?
Only know one to me is Quinta do Infantado.
Added 88) (Though better you than me with the ’81s :wink:)
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Non-expensive 1955s please.
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jdaw1 wrote:Non-expensive 1955s please.
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smisse wrote:Hi Jacob,

Great thread!

Can you add me for any Vintage port from 1981?
Only know one to me is Quinta do Infantado.

thank!

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There aren't any other declared vintage ports from 1981.
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jdaw1 wrote:Non-expensive 1955s please.
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RonnieRoots wrote:
smisse wrote:Hi Jacob,

Great thread!

Can you add me for any Vintage port from 1981?
Only know one to me is Quinta do Infantado.

thank!

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There aren't any other declared vintage ports from 1981.
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Alex,

There are some 1968 Vargellas' for sale:
http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/vargellas/1968

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JacobH wrote: For the record, my interest in having an original of Seller is so I can produce decent scans of the illustrations to allow a new edition to be published. If anyone could lend me a copy on that basis, I would be very happy.
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookD ... D0%26y%3D0
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DRT wrote:
JacobH wrote: For the record, my interest in having an original of Seller is so I can produce decent scans of the illustrations to allow a new edition to be published. If anyone could lend me a copy on that basis, I would be very happy.
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookD ... D0%26y%3D0
DRT wrote:If either of us stumble across a copy of Sellers it appears that the best plan is for me to buy it and you to borrow and scan it :wink:
I am still happy with this plan :wink:
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JacobH wrote:
DRT wrote:
JacobH wrote: For the record, my interest in having an original of Seller is so I can produce decent scans of the illustrations to allow a new edition to be published. If anyone could lend me a copy on that basis, I would be very happy.
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookD ... D0%26y%3D0
DRT wrote:If either of us stumble across a copy of Sellers it appears that the best plan is for me to buy it and you to borrow and scan it :wink:
I am still happy with this plan :wink:
Me too, but not at £500! :shock:
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To DRT/JacobH,

A scanned version of "Oporto Old and New" is available free online from from the internet archive here, either viewable online in browser or downloadable as 20M pdf, if that might meet either of your needs (I realise it may not if higher-quality scans of the illustrations are wanted).

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Thanks, Phil.

I already have the scanned copy and a print-on-demand paperback copy of the book but I feel the need to own an original, which is very hard to find.

Thanks for the information anyway, which was very helpful of you.

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PhilW wrote:A scanned version of "Oporto Old and New" is available free online from from the internet archive here, either viewable online in browser or downloadable as 20M pdf, if that might meet either of your needs (I realise it may not if higher-quality scans of the illustrations are wanted).
Thanks, Phil. The problem with that copy, from my point-of-view, is that the photos aren’t of a high-enough quality to reprint them, which is what I would like to do. Although if you are happy to just to read it then the digitalised version is great.

I may have mentioned this before, but I notice the Cambridge University Library has a copy and is running a trial on allowing cameras into its Rare Books room, so perhaps that might a way which I could take some good pictures of it.
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I finally have my Quinta do Infantado 1981 :D

Now I need a 2nd one to drink :tpf:
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Please post or email a picture of the front and back labels (contact information).
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I now have a first edition copy of Oporto, Old and New :piginpoo:

I now need to think of a new "want".
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I’m glad we seem to be doing quite well, even if most purchases are found by the person purchasing them!
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would any of you fine gents give me indication of the price of the grahams 1961 single vintage tawny?
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g-man wrote:would any of you fine gents give me indication of the price of the grahams 1961 single vintage tawny?
MSRP in the UK was £250, or £210 in bond. At the time, that was $350-ish which I felt was rather high.

It appears to be sold out now, and there's no trace of it at all on winesearcher.com.
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Glenn E. wrote:
g-man wrote:would any of you fine gents give me indication of the price of the grahams 1961 single vintage tawny?
MSRP in the UK was £250, or £210 in bond. At the time, that was $350-ish which I felt was rather high.

It appears to be sold out now, and there's no trace of it at all on winesearcher.com.
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g-man wrote:
Glenn E. wrote:
g-man wrote:would any of you fine gents give me indication of the price of the grahams 1961 single vintage tawny?
MSRP in the UK was £250, or £210 in bond. At the time, that was $350-ish which I felt was rather high.

It appears to be sold out now, and there's no trace of it at all on winesearcher.com.
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There are still a few bottles circulating in the UK Harrods have it just give there wine section a call otherwise http://www.farehamwinecellar.co.uk/wine ... -port.html have it for £210 a bottle hth
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clawhit wrote:There are still a few bottles circulating in the UK Harrods have it just give there wine section a call otherwise http://www.farehamwinecellar.co.uk/wine ... -port.html have it for £210 a bottle hth
I was in Fortnums this afternoon and they had a couple on the shelves too at, I think, £250 a bottle.
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what's hth?
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