Wed 24th April 2013 (post-BFT), 2007 LBVs, The Bung Hole

[jdaw1]

This post to hold arrangements when they are agreed.

Wednesday 24th April 2013 (after the BFT).

Location: The Bung Hole, 57 High Holborn, London WC1V 6DT, tel 020 7831 8365 (streetmap.co.uk, maps.google.co.uk).

Theme: some 2007 LBVs.

1. Tesco, ‟Bottled by Symington Family Estates”;
2. Waitrose, ‟In Partnership with Symington Family Estates”;
3. Sainsbury’s, ‟Bottled by Symington Family Estates”;
4. Cockburn;
5. Graham;
6. Marks & Spencer, ‟Bottled by Quinta and Vineyard Bottlers”;
7. Taylor;
8. Sandeman;
9. Morrisons, ‟Bottled by Symington Family Estates”.

Who?

1. AHB;
2. JDAW;
3. DRT;
4. DJ;
5. RB (friend of DJ);
6. RAYC.

Current draft of the placemats.

[jdaw1]

Recently I have acquired six 2007 LBVs. From Tesco: Taylor; Cockburn; and a Tesco BOB made by the Symingtons. From Waitrose: Sandeman; Graham’s; and a Waitrose BOB made by the Symingtons.

2007 LBVs would make a pleasant non-expensive theme for a small gathering. I’m willing to provide these six, which get us started and, numbers dependent, might even be sufficient. The ‟Where?” question has the obvious answer. But who and when?

[DRT]

The ‟Where?” question has the obvious answer. But who and when?

The "who?" question also has at least a partly obvious answer. I am flexible on the when.

[Alex Bridgeman]

JDAW has amassed a small collection of 2007 LBVs from various supermarkets and is offering these for adoption and participation in a 2007 Supermarket LBV Offline.

Wednesday 24th April in the usual place?

JDAW and AHB are in. Anyone else?

[djewesbury]

Yes I imagine that come the evening of the 24th we'll all be suffering hideous port withdrawal... Go on then, DJ + 1 please (RB, dexter).

[jdaw1]

Original and new topics merged.

First draft of the placemats.

[RAYC]

I would like to join you, but probably for food only as i'm trying to limit the amount i drink (but - as a trade-off - aim to indulge in the "good stuff" when i do!). As such, 07 LBVs have limited appeal (though the Sandeman is rather tasty).

I'll probably have a bottle of VP or something with me, but will see how i feel after 23rd. If i do, those who are not being purist in their approach to LBVs would be welcome to share.

[Alex Bridgeman]

I'll probably have a bottle of VP or something with me...

A man after my own heart. Don't tell anyone, but I plan to do the same thing.

[DRT]

I'll probably have a bottle of VP or something with me...

A man after my own heart. Don't tell anyone, but I plan to do the same thing.

Do we really need more?

Yes, of course we do, you have persuaded me. I'll bring a back-up VP in case either RAYC or AHB's is unduly compromised*.





* "unduly compromised" = "consumed before closing time"

[djewesbury]

Maybe I'll bring a bottle of Co-op 2007... I hear it's a top-flight wine.

[djewesbury]

Maybe I'll bring a bottle of Co-op 2007... I hear it's a top-flight wine.

Actually I will bring some of this (a bottle, maybe two, but not, as implied in the link, a case: sorry, jdaw).

[jdaw1]

Actually I will bring some of this (a bottle, maybe two, but not, as implied in the link, a case: sorry, jdaw).

Damn I bought one of those today, for £13.84: ‟Bottled by Quinta & Vineyard Bottlers”.

Maybe I'll bring a bottle of Co-op 2007... I hear it's a top-flight wine.

If this comment was serious, excellent. Please do. (Alas www.co-operativefood.co.uk is utterly useless. But there’s one near me I’ll check.)

I haven’t yet checked Sainsbury’s, but the online catalogue might have, at best, Graham and Cockburn, both of which we already have.

Morrisons have Taylor, Cockburn, Graham all of which we have and Morrisons 2007 LBV Port, ‟Sourced from the same Symington estates as many of the 'big boys'”. (Though at least some of the description was written for the 2006 LBV, but the ’07 is definitely SFE.) Please could somebody volunteer to acquire one?

[djewesbury]

Actually I will bring some of this (a bottle, maybe two, but not, as implied in the link, a case: sorry, jdaw).

Damn I bought one of those today, for £13.84: ‟Bottled by Quinta & Vineyard Bottlers”.

Are M&S the only chain grocers supplied by Taylor Fladgate? Or are other BOBs Taylor? Most seem to be SFE.

What does BOB stand for?

Maybe I'll bring a bottle of Co-op 2007... I hear it's a top-flight wine.

If this comment was serious, excellent. Please do.

It was an attempt at the lowest form of wit, I admit it.. BUT I accept the challenge, and will try and find one.

Incidentally, has anyone posted anything regarding which quintas / brands the shippers are using for their BOBs? Is Sainsbury's SFE the same as Tesco's SFE?

[jdaw1]

What does BOB stand for?

Buyer’s Own Brand.

Maybe I'll bring a bottle of Co-op 2007... I hear it's a top-flight wine.

If this comment was serious, excellent. Please do.

It was an attempt at the lowest form of wit, I admit it.. BUT I accept the challenge, and will try and find one.

I edited as you were posting.

Is Sainsbury's SFE the same as Tesco's SFE?

Use your palate and nose, and judge for yourself. But some differences are merely marketing: if two supermarket are selling Blogg Brothers’ Ruby, there can be price competition. If one supermarket sells Blogg Brothers’ Ruby ‘Pebbles’, and the other sells Blogg Brothers’ Ruby ‘Gravel’, there is no price competition. And the wines might, or might not, identical. Indeed, might be identical in some years, and not in others.

[djewesbury]

This is 2005, rather than 2007, unfortunately.

[jdaw1]

My local Co-op has no port at all.

[djewesbury]

My local Co-op has no port at all.

A mission, then. I shall find Co-op central when I am in London.

[jdaw1]

A mission, then. I shall find Co-op central when I am in London.

It might be more productive to find a Morrisons.

[djewesbury]

A mission, then. I shall find Co-op central when I am in London.

It might be more productive to find a Morrisons.

Both then.

[jdaw1]

Cockburn 2007 LBV

[jdaw1]

Waitrose BOB 2007 LBV

[jdaw1]

Tesco BOB 2007 LBV

[jdaw1]

Taylor 2007 LBV

[jdaw1]

Marks & Spencer BOB 2007 LBV

[jdaw1]

Sandeman 2007 LBV

[jdaw1]

Graham 2007 LBV

[jdaw1]

SCP-DFS went to Sainsbury’’s, and came back with two of the Sainsbury’s 2007 LBV, ‟Bottled by Symington Family Estates”.

[Alex Bridgeman]

I am not far from Morrison's. I will volunteer to bring a Morrison's own label 2007 LBV provided everyone else promises not to. I do not want to be left with an unopened bottle of 2007 LBV that I am forced to include on my drinking list for next year!

[jdaw1]

I promise!

[djewesbury]

Yes I also promise. I see there is a Co-op Food near to my father's house and also (if that proves dry) one off Kingsway.

[jdaw1]

The placemats for Tuesday 23^rd April (Dirty Dozen and Friends) aren’t quite done awaiting information about Axel’s +1. But when they are, please could somebody print. The first few pages are on A3.

Indeed, the placemats for Wednesday 24^th April (2007 LBVs) will also need printing, and it would be inconvenient to carry them around the BFT. Perhaps the same person could print, and bring them to The Bung Hole on Tuesday 23^rd. Please? (My 2007 LBVs will be brought to TBH on Tue 23^rd: same could happen to the placemats.)

(This post also quoted in the 2007 LBV thread.)

[jdaw1]

Is Sainsbury's SFE the same as Tesco's SFE?

Use your palate and nose, and judge for yourself. But some differences are merely marketing: if two supermarket are selling Blogg Brothers’ Ruby, there can be price competition. If one supermarket sells Blogg Brothers’ Ruby ‘Pebbles’, and the other sells Blogg Brothers’ Ruby ‘Gravel’, there is no price competition. And the wines might, or might not, identical. Indeed, might be identical in some years, and not in others.

There have been suggestions that resistance from retailers has included asking suppliers to subtly change the names of products to thwart internet searches.

Which isn’t so different.

[Alex Bridgeman]

The placemats for Tuesday 23^rd April (Dirty Dozen and Friends) aren’t quite done awaiting information about Axel’s +1. But when they are, please could somebody print. The first few pages are on A3.

Indeed, the placemats for Wednesday 24^th April (2007 LBVs) will also need printing, and it would be inconvenient to carry them around the BFT. Perhaps the same person could print, and bring them to The Bung Hole on Tuesday 23^rd. Please? (My 2007 LBVs will be brought to TBH on Tue 23^rd: same could happen to the placemats.)

I am not in my office before either of the tastings so cannot print.

[Alex Bridgeman]

I will visit Asda later today, as well as Morrisons, and see whether Asda have any 2007 LBVs not already included.

[Alex Bridgeman]

I now own a bottle of Morrison's Own Label 2007 LBV. Asda sell Own Label Finest Reserve, but not LBV (why would you when BOB Finest Reserve is £8 and Cockburn 2007 LBV is £9?). Lidl only sell a reserve ruby (from C da Silva @ £9.29).

Costco are reputed to have a good own label range of ports if anyone is near a Costco.

Could the owner of the thread add a list of the ports we will be drinking to the first post please?

[jdaw1]

I now own a bottle of Morrison's Own Label 2007 LBV.

Bottled by whom, please? Even better, send or post a photograph.

Edit:

[jdaw1]

Updated draft of the placemats.

• +Morrisons.

[RAYC]

Are you doing blind, or sighted?

Blind would eliminate label bias.

[jdaw1]

Blind, after the BFT?!

[jdaw1]

There’s also a simplicity to it. We might have post-BFT leftovers. I have invited one trade person to show up when he can, if he can. That flexibility is easier if everybody knows everything all the time.

[DRT]

There’s also a simplicity to it. We might have post-BFT leftovers. I have invited one trade person to show up when he can, if he can. That flexibility is easier if everybody knows everything all the time.

That man might be bringing a BOB that is, very unusually for the UK market, produced by a shipper he represents.