1983-1985 Double Horizontal on Tuesday 2 April 2013

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 17:50 Sun 17 Mar 2013

jdaw1 wrote:We are currently six people. Eight bottles on a school night should be sensible. So we need to choose four shippers. Any objection to {Graham, Dow, Taylor, Fonseca}?

If objecting, speak soon, as DRT delivering bottles to me tomorrow.

No objection from me. Who will contribute which bottle(s)?

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:25 Sun 17 Mar 2013

AHB wrote:Who will contribute which bottle(s)?

Mostly from posts in this thread we have the following ready availabilities.

â—Š JDAW: F85 (stored chez RAYC);
â—Š DJ; adopting;
â—Š DRT: G83 T83 D85 F85 & T85;
â—Š THRA: all;
â—Š PW: F83 D83 G85;
â—Š AHB: all except T85.

So:
• JDAW: F85;
• PW: F83 D83;
• DRT, AHB, THRA: agree amongst yourselves a preferred division of G83 T83 D85 G85 T85, each being held by at least two of you.

There will be a slight financial rebalancing on the night.

Objections?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 01:55 Mon 18 Mar 2013

DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:Any objection to {Graham, Dow, Taylor, Fonseca}?
Not from me.

Nor me.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 02:04 Mon 18 Mar 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:Who will contribute which bottle(s)?
â—Š DJ; adopting;
[...]

So:
• JDAW: F85;
• PW: F83 D83;
• DRT, AHB, THRA: agree amongst yourselves a preferred division of G83 T83 D85 G85 T85, each being held by at least two of you.

There will be a slight financial rebalancing on the night.

Objections?

I feel a little guilty at arriving empty-handed for my first offline. If you would like me to procure something please let me know, as I said I'm only arriving back the day before but I'm sure I can find a good bottle of one of the above without too much difficulty, and co-ordinate regarding decanting..

Post by **DRT** » 07:24 Mon 18 Mar 2013

jdaw1 wrote:DRT, AHB, THRA: agree amongst yourselves a preferred division of G83 T83 D85 G85 T85, each being held by at least two of you.

My preference is to bring T83 and D85.

Post by **DRT** » 07:28 Mon 18 Mar 2013

djewesbury wrote:
jdaw1 wrote: â—Š DJ; adopting;
...
There will be a slight financial rebalancing on the night.
I feel a little guilty at arriving empty-handed for my first offline. If you would like me to procure something please let me know, as I said I'm only arriving back the day before but I'm sure I can find a good bottle of one of the above without too much difficulty, and co-ordinate regarding decanting..

No need to feel guilty. What I believe jdaw1 is saying above is that those who are bringing more than their fair share will be compensated by those who are not. Something fair always happens

Post by **PhilW** » 09:27 Mon 18 Mar 2013

djewesbury wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:Who will contribute which bottle(s)?
â—Š DJ; adopting;
[...]

So:
• JDAW: F85;
• PW: F83 D83;
• DRT, AHB, THRA: agree amongst yourselves a preferred division of G83 T83 D85 G85 T85, each being held by at least two of you.

There will be a slight financial rebalancing on the night.

Objections?
I feel a little guilty at arriving empty-handed for my first offline. If you would like me to procure something please let me know, as I said I'm only arriving back the day before but I'm sure I can find a good bottle of one of the above without too much difficulty, and co-ordinate regarding decanting..

No need to feel guilty in the slightest. On the other hand, *if* (and only if) you were already going to Weingalarie (you previously mentioned you might be dropping in there) and had room to purchase an extra bottle, I would love a bottle of Kopke Colheita 1984 (€45) - and could then swap you for one of the F83/D83 pair which I will be bringing. No worries if this doesn't work for you, just a thought in case.

Post by **jdaw1** » 09:40 Mon 18 Mar 2013

jdaw1 wrote:There will be a slight financial rebalancing on the night.

djewesbury wrote:I feel a little guilty at arriving empty-handed for my first offline.

You won’t be ‟empty-handed”, as you will be bringing appropriate folding portraits of Her Majesty.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 11:34 Mon 18 Mar 2013

PhilW wrote:I would love a bottle of Kopke Colheita 1984 (€45) - and could then swap you for one of the F83/D83 pair which I will be bringing. No worries if this doesn't work for you, just a thought in case.

jdaw1 wrote:You won’t be ‟empty-handed”, as you will be bringing appropriate folding portraits of Her Majesty.

Phil's suggestion seems very sensible, if JDAW, keeper of the Queen's pictures, thinks that this doesn't throw out the reckoning too much..

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:47 Mon 18 Mar 2013

It!

djewesbury wrote:doesn't throw out the reckoning too much.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 15:11 Mon 18 Mar 2013

jdaw1 wrote:It!
djewesbury wrote:doesn't throw out the reckoning too much.

Good. Agreed.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:17 Mon 18 Mar 2013

DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:DRT, AHB, THRA: agree amongst yourselves a preferred division of G83 T83 D85 G85 T85, each being held by at least two of you.
My preference is to bring T83 and D85.

Then I'll bring a G83

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 08:38 Wed 20 Mar 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
â—Š JDAW: F85 (stored chez RAYC);

Only just caught up with recent posts in this thread.

Are you happy to take delivery on Friday 22nd? (either to take home or leave standing at the Bunghole?)

I am off on hols on 27th...

Post by **jdaw1** » 09:36 Wed 20 Mar 2013

RAYC wrote:Are you happy to take delivery on Friday 22nd? (either to take home or leave standing at the Bunghole?)

Thank you: it will stay at The Bung Hole.

Post by **DRT** » 21:42 Thu 21 Mar 2013

I might have a +1, whose costs will be covered by me and whose contribution would be one of my two bottles.

I will confirm next week.

Post by **DRT** » 21:46 Thu 21 Mar 2013

DRT wrote:I might have a +1, whose costs will be covered by me and whose contribution would be one of my two bottles.

I will confirm next week.

If it is thought that this might cause a Port deficit I am happy to put all three of my available bottles in if we decide to extend to one more shipper. Perhaps Warre?

Post by **DRT** » 22:08 Tue 26 Mar 2013

My guest has confirmed his attendance.

Do we now need to include Warre?

As previously stated, my three bottles are now in if the line-up is to be expanded.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:15 Tue 26 Mar 2013

DRT wrote:My guest has confirmed his attendance.

jdaw1 wrote:People:
JDAW;
DJ;
DRT;

THRA;

PW;

AHB;
DRT’s +1.

Seven people need ten bottles. We have already agreed on the Dow & Graham & Taylor & Fonseca. Next up, Warre or Smith Woodhouse? (Reminder: Croft didn’t fully declare ’83, preferring ’82. And the Novals from that period are miserable.)

(DRT: details needed of +1.)

Post by **DRT** » 22:20 Tue 26 Mar 2013

jdaw1 wrote:Seven people need ten bottles. We have already agreed on the Dow & Graham & Taylor & Fonseca. Next up, Warre or Smith Woodhouse?

My strong preference is for Warre from those two.

jdaw1 wrote:DRT: details needed of +1.

MDB; a righty.

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:01 Tue 26 Mar 2013

Current draft of the placemats.

+MDB.

Post by **PhilW** » 09:28 Wed 27 Mar 2013

DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:Seven people need ten bottles. We have already agreed on the Dow & Graham & Taylor & Fonseca. Next up, Warre or Smith Woodhouse?
My strong preference is for Warre from those two.

+1

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 20:14 Thu 28 Mar 2013

PhilW wrote:I would love a bottle of Kopke Colheita 1984 (€45) - and could then swap you for one of the F83/D83 pair which I will be bringing. No worries if this doesn't work for you, just a thought in case.

Very sorry to say that all the 1984 Kopke has sold out! And I never thought to ask if you had a second choice.. If something else strikes you, let me know, I may be back that way on Saturday and may still have room for one in the check-in bag..

Post by **PhilW** » 14:22 Fri 29 Mar 2013

djewesbury wrote:
PhilW wrote:I would love a bottle of Kopke Colheita 1984 (€45) - and could then swap you for one of the F83/D83 pair which I will be bringing. No worries if this doesn't work for you, just a thought in case.
Very sorry to say that all the 1984 Kopke has sold out! And I never thought to ask if you had a second choice.. If something else strikes you, let me know, I may be back that way on Saturday and may still have room for one in the check-in bag..

No worries - thanks for trying.

Christopher · Post by **Christopher** » 17:43 Fri 29 Mar 2013

I may be able to get a pass, if there is a spare place, happy to buy a bottle off someone else, I believe I have a Niepoort 83 but sadly no 85.
thanks

Post by **jdaw1** » 20:54 Fri 29 Mar 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
AHB wrote:Who will contribute which bottle(s)?
Mostly from posts in this thread we have the following ready availabilities.

â—Š JDAW: F85 (stored chez RAYC);
â—Š DJ; adopting;
â—Š DRT: G83 T83 D85 F85 & T85;
â—Š THRA: all;
â—Š PW: F83 D83 G85;
â—Š AHB: all except T85.

So:
• JDAW: F85;
• PW: F83 D83;
• DRT, AHB, THRA: agree amongst yourselves a preferred division of G83 T83 D85 G85 T85, each being held by at least two of you.

Eight people.

Derek has a guest and will be thirsty that evening, so will be bringing G83 T83 D85 (all of which are chez moi: suggest decant times). My F85 is at The Bung Hole I could phone at lunch and ask them to decant it. PW is bringing F83 & D83. AHB & THRA have agreed to bring G85 T85. So that’s {G, T, F, D}×{’83, ’85} done.

We have an international Warre crisis. Tom: can you please cope?

Updated draft of the placemats.

+CMAG.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 23:47 Fri 29 Mar 2013

jdaw1 wrote:We have an international Warre crisis.

In the spirit of helpfulness.. at a time of crisis...
Davy's list W85 as one of the wines they sell from stock. Would it be easy enough to purchase a bottle from them, and ask them to have it decanted for us? Or does that miss the point...?
Perhaps, since I was unable to get a Kopke 84 Colheita for Phil, I could try and get hold of a W83 the day before the tasting? This would give me time to stand and double decant. Again, perhaps if someone has this in their cellar there's no need to go to these lengths...
Just a couple of thoughts...

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 19:02 Sat 30 Mar 2013

Davy's will absolutely do as you have suggested, but usually need around a week's notice to guarantee getting the bottle from their retail site in Greenwich to the wine bar of your choice. I don't think they will be able to help out for April 2nd.

I am also confused. Please could the organiser or the deputy organiser post a list of which person is bringing which bottle(s). Thanks.

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:33 Sat 30 Mar 2013

AHB wrote:Please could the organiser or the deputy organiser post a list of which person is bringing which bottle(s).

In the final post of the previous page jdaw1 wrote:Derek has a guest and will be thirsty that evening, so will be bringing G83 T83 D85 (all of which are chez moi: suggest decant times). My F85 is at The Bung Hole I could phone at lunch and ask them to decant it. PW is bringing F83 & D83. AHB & THRA have agreed to bring G85 T85. So that’s {G, T, F, D}×{’83, ’85} done.

We have an international Warre crisis. Tom: can you please cope?

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:49 Sat 30 Mar 2013

jdaw1 wrote:PW is bringing F83 & D83. AHB & THRA have agreed to bring G85 T85. So that’s {G, T, F, D}×{’83, ’85}.

This is what caused me confusion, when combined with my earlier post where I said that I would bring G83. It will be difficult to get to my G85 before the tasting, and I may be a little late as a result. I will decant prior to arrival.

I do not have T85 available - it's all in Seckfords.

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:56 Sat 30 Mar 2013

Sorry my fault, I failed to notice. THRA has everything to hand, and returns soon. Let’s see whether he can do G85 T85 W83 W85.

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 19:36 Sun 31 Mar 2013

We have an international Warre crisis. Tom: can you please cope?

I'm currently in a hotel near Haverfordwest, whose internet connection makes Thailand look lightning fast..

Will be driving back on Tues (300 miles..) - and can grab a bottle or two before grabbing a train into London..

Please forgive if I nod off at the table - pls let me know what is needed...

Post by **jdaw1** » 20:30 Sun 31 Mar 2013

uncle tom wrote:pls let me know what is needed...

jdaw1 wrote:G85 T85 W83 W85.

There will be some financial rebalancing.

Post by **PhilW** » 18:35 Mon 01 Apr 2013

I'm slightly confused. The clear part:

DRT - bringing G83 T83 D85
PW - bringing F83 D83
JDAW - bringing F85

The confusing part:

AHB - bringing... (G83 originally, now nothing or as per last post perhaps bringing G85 but arriving [and decanting] late?)
THRA - requested to bring G85 T85 W83 W85

Noting that Tom will likely be back home very late for bottle pickup+decant, plus your earlier query regarding decant times; For ideal comparison the bottles should really have similar decant times - I would suggest 6-12hr. As this might be unlikely to be possible for AHB/THRA bottles, I offer to bring G85, W85 and W83 in addition to the F83 and D83 (I cannot provide T85, sorry), which would all be decanted 6-8hrs before tasting and would solve most problem with AHB/THRA timing, if that would help. If wanted please let me know, otherwise I shall just arrive with F83 and D83 as per current plan.

Post by **jdaw1** » 18:41 Mon 01 Apr 2013

Thank you. Accepted. That’s a boon.

Who has T85 to hand?

Post by **DRT** » 18:56 Mon 01 Apr 2013

jdaw1 wrote:Who has T85 to hand?

Not me, sorry.

And!

AHB wrote:I do not have T85 available - it's all in Seckfords.

But!

jdaw1 wrote:Who will bring which bottles?
!
JDAW: ! T85

Hurray!

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:06 Mon 01 Apr 2013

My T85 is in Sussex, and the visit to Sussex then forthcoming is now in the past.

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:12 Mon 01 Apr 2013

I can print the placemats at home.

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 20:01 Mon 01 Apr 2013

If I read correctly, T85 required from me..

- will do, no problem..

Post by **jdaw1** » 20:57 Mon 01 Apr 2013

uncle tom wrote:If I read correctly, T85 required from me..

- will do, no problem..

Yes please. And quote me a cost.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 21:11 Mon 01 Apr 2013

i am sad to be missing this tasting....but having jolly good fun following the thread!

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:43 Mon 01 Apr 2013

And we will miss you but that won’t stop us drinking ‘your share’.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:50 Mon 01 Apr 2013

RAYC wrote:i am sad to be missing this tasting....but having jolly good fun following the thread!

Or perhaps you should let us have your address and we'll post you some port!

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:52 Mon 01 Apr 2013

PhilW wrote:I'm slightly confused. The clear part:

DRT - bringing G83 T83 D85
PW - bringing F83 D83
JDAW - bringing F85

The confusing part:

AHB - bringing... (G83 originally, now nothing or as per last post perhaps bringing G85 but arriving [and decanting] late?)
THRA - requested to bring G85 T85 W83 W85

Noting that Tom will likely be back home very late for bottle pickup+decant, plus your earlier query regarding decant times; For ideal comparison the bottles should really have similar decant times - I would suggest 6-12hr. As this might be unlikely to be possible for AHB/THRA bottles, I offer to bring G85, W85 and W83 in addition to the F83 and D83 (I cannot provide T85, sorry), which would all be decanted 6-8hrs before tasting and would solve most problem with AHB/THRA timing, if that would help. If wanted please let me know, otherwise I shall just arrive with F83 and D83 as per current plan.

I can confirm that I am planning on turning up tommorow with nothing more than a large thirst and some portraits of HMQ.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 21:56 Mon 01 Apr 2013

AHB wrote:
RAYC wrote:i am sad to be missing this tasting....but having jolly good fun following the thread!
Or perhaps you should let us have your address and we'll post you some port!

very kind but quite unnecessary....i'm well stocked on "Dos Santos" tawny (EUR 6.20 a bottle, and drinkable if left in the freezer for a couple of hours before serving!)

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:59 Mon 01 Apr 2013

Do post a TN.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:00 Mon 01 Apr 2013

AHB wrote:I can confirm that I am planning on turning up tommorow with nothing more than a large thirst and some portraits of HMQ.

Splendid.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:52 Mon 01 Apr 2013

I am quite exhilarated. Is it always this exciting in the quiet hours before a tasting? Was it like this at Scampton before 617 Squadron went out..?

Post by **DRT** » 22:55 Mon 01 Apr 2013

djewesbury wrote:I am quite exhilarated. Is it always this exciting in the quiet hours before a tasting? Was it like this at Scampton before 617 Squadron went out..?

Exactly the same. Chocks away! Scramble, scramble, scramble!

Post by **DRT** » 23:25 Mon 01 Apr 2013

DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I am quite exhilarated. Is it always this exciting in the quiet hours before a tasting? Was it like this at Scampton before 617 Squadron went out..?
Exactly the same. Chocks away! Scramble, scramble, scramble!

My secret mentor has rightly pointed out that I have taken off before leaving the hanger

Not something that is normal for a man of my age

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:33 Mon 01 Apr 2013

Links (mostly for use after the tasting):