Wimbledon Doty: 1966 Horitzontal - Bunghole, June 27th - 7pm

Post by **jdaw1** » 15:34 Wed 12 Jun 2013

Updated draft of the placemats.

DJ bringing Taylor;
+THRA’s Sandeman.

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djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 15:42 Wed 12 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:? = Taylor;

We have 2 Taylors then?

Post by **jdaw1** » 15:43 Wed 12 Jun 2013

I edited as you quoted. Original wording unclear sorry.

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 16:20 Wed 12 Jun 2013

For those looking to adopt, I also have Taylor, Offley and Rebello Valente available.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 16:36 Wed 12 Jun 2013

uncle tom wrote:For those looking to adopt, I also have Taylor, Offley and Rebello Valente available.

Tom - before I head into the wilds of Essex for Taylors of questionable reputation, maybe I should adopt one of yours. Would that be a good idea? I will PM you now.

JohninNYC · Post by **JohninNYC** » 00:27 Thu 13 Jun 2013

Uncle Tom - I just sent you a PM as well. Thanks in advance

JohninNYC · Post by **JohninNYC** » 08:12 Thu 13 Jun 2013

Update: I am adopting a bottle of '66 Offley from Uncle Tom. Thanks Tom, looking forward to seeing you on the 27th!

Post by **jdaw1** » 09:53 Thu 13 Jun 2013

Updated draft of the placemats.

JB adopting Ofﬂey.

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RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 11:17 Thu 13 Jun 2013

My vote is still to go semi-blind

Post by **jdaw1** » 12:17 Thu 13 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:My vote is still to go semi-blind

Mine is sighted, but will obey the consensus.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 12:35 Thu 13 Jun 2013

I think for this tasting I'd like to know what I'm drinking. I think it will add to my enjoyment of the wines, none of which I will have tasted before. This is obviously different for those (the majority) who know 66 very well; so if that majority would prefer to test their formidable, indefatigable and infallible wits, then I shall still be drinking ten wonderful 47-year-old ports.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 12:55 Thu 13 Jun 2013

djewesbury wrote:I think for this tasting I'd like to know what I'm drinking. I think it will add to my enjoyment of the wines, none of which I will have tasted before.

djewesbury wrote:
RAYC wrote:... there's some nice-looking stock of Morgan 66 available here...
My desire to taste ports I haven't yet tried makes me think this is possibly a favourable option.. although the TN posted doesn't really exalt its virtues..

Do these statements reconcile?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 13:15 Thu 13 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:
djewesbury wrote:I think for this tasting I'd like to know what I'm drinking. I think it will add to my enjoyment of the wines, none of which I will have tasted before.
djewesbury wrote:
RAYC wrote:... there's some nice-looking stock of Morgan 66 available here...
My desire to taste ports I haven't yet tried makes me think this is possibly a favourable option.. although the TN posted doesn't really exalt its virtues..
Do these statements reconcile?

Ah, yes. Do you mean that my saying that I would avoid a particular wine, based on an unenthusiastic TN, contradicts my wish to explore this vintage thoroughly? Well, I am guided (swayed?) by others' opinions, as a prelude to forming my own; and when we have finite scope in a single evening to taste wine from this vintage, I suppose I prioritise some more established or reliable names over others. Once those are confirmed, I am happy to roam far and wide through the wines of 66. Is that not the best way to further my education?

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 13:28 Thu 13 Jun 2013

No...more that your former post seemed to indicate a preference for the Morgan on the basis that you had not tried it....which to me implied that you had tried the Taylor!

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:33 Thu 13 Jun 2013

How long have you two been married?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 13:34 Thu 13 Jun 2013

Oh, I see.. I think what I meant was that one half of my brain was saying 'Taylor, yeah, you've had the 1960, the 1970, you've had Taylors from around this period, if never the actual 66.. But you've never tasted a Morgan at all, of any vintage...' It was a feeling based on not knowing anything about the Morgan whatsoever beyond what I've read..

jdaw1 wrote:How long have you two been married?

Less of that... Are you being helpful, jdaw1?

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 12:36 Sun 16 Jun 2013

Hi,

just realised that this tasting is in 1.5 weeks time. After some digging I found the Noval 66.

Bt looks great! Looking fwd to the tasting Thursday in one week.

regards

WS1

benread · Post by **benread** » 20:10 Mon 17 Jun 2013

Subject to nothing changing with Mrs Read's schedule next week, it loooks like I am able to join you. The only 66 I have is Croft which was a present from my father and I think had been in his cellar for 40 odd years. Croft has already been promised though, so does anyone have anything to offer for adoption please? (Assuming Chris is still planning on bringing this.)

Post by **jdaw1** » 20:42 Mon 17 Jun 2013

Nobody has ever been hurt by having two different Croft 1966s in one evening.

Updated draft of the placemats.

+BMHR and his Croft.

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RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 21:09 Mon 17 Jun 2013

benread wrote:Subject to nothing changing with Mrs Read's schedule next week, it loooks like I am able to join you. The only 66 I have is Croft which was a present from my father and I think had been in his cellar for 40 odd years. Croft has already been promised though, so does anyone have anything to offer for adoption please? (Assuming Chris is still planning on bringing this.)

If now's not the occasion for your Croft, THRA has a Rebello up for adoption.

Alternatively, it might be nice to have a confirmed Dow given that that is one of the wines of the vintage. If you want to adopt my Fonseca, i'd be happy to bring the other Dow from Phil's stock (TN here)

Post by **jdaw1** » 10:58 Tue 18 Jun 2013

A guest (pro tem ‟JDAW’s +1”) has become a possibility.

Post by **jdaw1** » 11:14 Tue 18 Jun 2013

In this thread, each update of the placemats has included pictures. In the thread about the software that makes the placemats I have asked whether this is worth the effort. Please reply in that thread.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 12:04 Tue 18 Jun 2013

Question: if we have covered the main 66s, should we be looking at a couple of choice 67s (eg: Sandeman, Martinez, Cockburn) for any additional bottles that are needed?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 12:07 Tue 18 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:Question: if we have covered the main 66s, should we be looking at a couple of choice 67s (eg: Sandeman, Martinez, Cockburn) for any additional bottles that are needed?

Are there any lesser 66s we're missing / can get hold of?

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 12:44 Tue 18 Jun 2013

As far as i am aware, we are missing the following 66s:

Barros
BBR own selection
Burmester
Calem
Cockburn
Delaforce
Dow Bomfim
Feist
Ferreira
Kopke
Morgan
Noval Nacional
Niepoort
Quarles Harris
Ramos Pinto
Rebello Valente
Smith Woodhouse

No doubt there are others as well.

In terms of what other people have in their cellars, are not reserved for other tastings and can be adopted / contributed, the list is somewhat smaller.

Post by **jdaw1** » 13:06 Tue 18 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:No doubt there are others as well.

Including Constantino and Messias Quinta do CachÃ£o.

Perhaps also A. Pinto dos Santos, Barbosa, Dalva, Feuerheerd, Mackenzie, Rozès, and Tuke Holdsworth.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 14:14 Tue 18 Jun 2013

OK, my point was to find out whether we had any availability of interesting / minor 66s before we go to 67. What thoughts?

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 14:55 Tue 18 Jun 2013

THRA has offered Rebello Valente 66 upthread. I'm not aware of any other possibilities

Within the UK but outside the cellars of those attending, Morgan, Krohn and Delaforce 66 seem to be obtainable, albeit we would not exactly be giving it a chance to shine if subjecting it to courier / postage at this late stage.

Cockburn / Sandeman 67 would be available for adoption if there were an extra person who needed something without resorting to duplication, and i suspect there's a strong chance that Martinez would be too.

Post by **jdaw1** » 15:16 Tue 18 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:without resorting to duplication

For ports with enough age to be at risk, I don’t mind duplication. And if both are fabulous, well, is that so terrible?

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 15:51 Tue 18 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
RAYC wrote:without resorting to duplication
For ports with enough age to be at risk, I don’t mind duplication. And if both are fabulous, well, is that so terrible?

A very good point.

Post by **DRT** » 21:22 Tue 18 Jun 2013

Eight mouths and eleven Ports is almost enough for a school night.

I don't like the idea of introducing non-66s unless we do it properly - properly meaning eleven 66s.

Should we buy a team Niepoort 1966 to make it six on each page?

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:29 Tue 18 Jun 2013

DRT wrote:Should we buy a team Niepoort 1966 to make it six on each page?

I wouldn’t want you to be needled by the asymmetry. Sure subject to a broader consensus.

Post by **DRT** » 21:37 Tue 18 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:Should we buy a team Niepoort 1966 {WARNING: tenuous attempt at a reasonable argument approaching} to make it six on each page?
I wouldn’t want you to be needled by the asymmetry. Sure subject to a broader consensus.

I have corrected my question in this post.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 21:49 Tue 18 Jun 2013

DRT wrote:Eight mouths and eleven Ports is almost enough for a school night.

we currently have but one bottle per person.

DRT wrote:
Should we buy a team Niepoort 1966 to make it six on each page?

In general i'm not a fan of shipping bottles within the last month to six weeks before a tasting, since i think i have found more success from my own bottles when adopting WS1's regime. My vote would therefore be for a confirmed Dow 66 before chasing down EUR200+ bottles of unknown provenance from Europe. However, i am happy to stump up if others want (subject to a minimum of a three-way split of the cost)

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 21:51 Tue 18 Jun 2013

Team Niepoort!!! Yeah!
(Sorry. I meant, yes. I would love this.)

Post by **DRT** » 21:55 Tue 18 Jun 2013

DRT wrote:Eight mouths and eleven Ports is almost enough for a school night.

RAYC wrote:we currently have but one bottle per person.

Chris Doty wrote:CSD - Croft
AHB - Graham
JDAW - Dow?
DRT - Gould
PhilW - Warre
Danny J
RAYC* - Fonseca
WS1 - Noval

Eight people.

jdaw1 wrote:

Eleven bottles.

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:56 Tue 18 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:In general i'm not a fan of shipping bottles within the last month to six weeks before a tasting, since i think i have found more success from my own bottles when adopting WS1's regime. My vote would therefore be for a confirmed Dow 66 before chasing down EUR200+ bottles of unknown provenance from Europe. However, i am happy to stump up if others want (subject to a minimum of a three-way split of the cost)

All seconded.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 22:01 Tue 18 Jun 2013

DRT wrote:
DRT wrote:Eight mouths and eleven Ports is almost enough for a school night.
RAYC wrote:we currently have but one bottle per person.
Chris Doty wrote:CSD - Croft
AHB - Graham
JDAW - Dow?
DRT - Gould
PhilW - Warre
Danny J
RAYC* - Fonseca
WS1 - Noval
Eight people.
jdaw1 wrote:
Eleven bottles.

There have been recent developments which have not been reflected in CSD's first post, but which have been in jdaw1's placemats...(clue is in the circlearrays)

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:02 Tue 18 Jun 2013

BMHR, THRA and JB are all left off the list of people (you can quickly tell this since each bottle on the placemats is shown as being brought by a different person). So, 11 people.

Post by **DRT** » 22:04 Tue 18 Jun 2013

djewesbury wrote:BMHR, THRA and JB are all left off the list of people (you can quickly tell this since each bottle on the placemats is shown as being brought by a different person). So, 11 people.

You can quickly tell this if you have an 11 inch MacBook Air and 30 year old eyes

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:07 Tue 18 Jun 2013

iPhone and 40 year old eyes!! And I beat Rob to it!

Post by **DRT** » 22:10 Tue 18 Jun 2013

djewesbury wrote:iPhone and 40 year old eyes!! And I beat Rob to it!

Wait eight years and try the same trick.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:34 Tue 18 Jun 2013

djewesbury wrote:And I beat Rob to it!

Rob’s post was sooner.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:40 Tue 18 Jun 2013

Oh well. See, I'm old enough that I didn't notice that.

Post by **DRT** » 22:44 Tue 18 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
djewesbury wrote:And I beat Rob to it!
Rob’s post was sooner.

djewesbury wrote:Oh well. See, I'm old enough that I didn't notice that.

I'm so old I thought you were first in

Post by **PhilW** » 06:37 Wed 19 Jun 2013

jdaw1 wrote:
RAYC wrote:In general i'm not a fan of shipping bottles within the last month to six weeks before a tasting, since i think i have found more success from my own bottles when adopting WS1's regime. My vote would therefore be for a confirmed Dow 66 before chasing down EUR200+ bottles of unknown provenance from Europe. However, i am happy to stump up if others want (subject to a minimum of a three-way split of the cost)
All seconded.

thirded. or fourthed/however many.

Also, I see no problem with Cr66 x2. In fact the only possible issue I can see with Cr66 x2 is whether we have enough Cr66

JohninNYC · Post by **JohninNYC** » 08:58 Thu 20 Jun 2013

Hello. As you can see, I have adopted the Offley '66.

I am bringing a guest, and he would like to know what he can adopt.

So:

1. Does anyone have a another bottle to adopt? If so, for how much and which kind? (Last I checked, I think there was something for roughly 45 Quid.

2. Whoever is keeping count, please enter me in as a "+1"

Thanks.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 09:39 Thu 20 Jun 2013

Someone probably needs to do a tot up and check whether there's enough room for further people before adding more - in particular, i think it needs to be checked whether it is possible to eat dinner in the main room rather than in the private room if this is going to work.

In terms of adoption, i don't know whether jdaw1's +1 has taken the other port you refer to but there might be a Niepoort 1966 available to adopt for EUR250ish - as a combined contribution with the Offley (split between two people), that's probably top end in financial terms but not out of line with what DRT is contributing and probably a good "last minute" option.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 09:50 Thu 20 Jun 2013

RAYC wrote:In terms of adoption, i don't know whether jdaw1's +1 has taken the other port you refer to but there might be a Niepoort 1966 available to adopt for EUR250ish - as a combined contribution with the Offley (split between two people), that's probably top end in financial terms but not out of line with what DRT is contributing and probably a good "last minute" option.

!
This would have to be ordered immediately, no? Or.. Has that already happened?

JohninNYC · Post by **JohninNYC** » 10:48 Thu 20 Jun 2013

Hi again. My +1 is.not.coming
I actually meant to have worded in my post above the +1 knew i was.checking first before making a commitment for him. anyway given space limitations he.wont come.
Thanks see you in a week