Bordeaux Recommendations

Post by **jdaw1** » 15:15 Sat 07 Jun 2014

Is that a Wine Society label?

Post by **DRT** » 16:13 Sat 07 Jun 2014

jdaw1 wrote:Is that a Wine Society label?

A&N...

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LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 16:57 Sat 07 Jun 2014

DRT wrote:Sorry, Owen, I had submitted my bid before you told me to stop and am now the proud owner of these beauties...

Pas de tout Derek, the 1970 is one vintage that I would endorse wholeheartedly. Even the lower depths have at least tasted like they might have been decent wine once upon a time. And Army and Navy have got a good press on this forum for their port bottlings at least. As you say, what could possibly go wrong?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 17:34 Sat 07 Jun 2014

Should I drink my lone bottle of Léoville Las Cases 1970 with the bone-in shin of beef that I'm going to cook for several hours tomorrow? Is there a 'drink up' theme that I'm detecting here?

Post by **DRT** » 17:57 Sat 07 Jun 2014

djewesbury wrote:Should I drink my lone bottle of Léoville Las Cases 1970 with the bone-in shin of beef that I'm going to cook for several hours tomorrow? Is there a 'drink up' theme that I'm detecting here?

That is a much more special bottle than any of my 1970s, all of which have been bought recently on BidForWine.com at between £15-£25 per bottle and are used as house claret.

Yes, you should drink it.

Post by **DRT** » 18:00 Sat 07 Jun 2014

Tonight is my night off so I have opened a bottle of Château La Tour de By 1999 to share with Mrs T.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 18:01 Sat 07 Jun 2014

DRT wrote:Tonight is my night off so I have opened a bottle of Château La Tour de By 1999 to share with Mrs T.

Excellent. It's claret weekend!

Post by **DRT** » 18:04 Sat 07 Jun 2014

DRT wrote:Château La Tour de By 1999

Purchased a few months ago from FRW @ £102 per dozen IB. They have 6 cases left if anyone needs a solid, if unspectacular, house claret and is prepared to wait the customary two months for delivery.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 18:21 Sat 07 Jun 2014

In my usual role of swimmer against the tide a 2004 Billecart Salmon. Note to follow with references to Hagakure and his advice on the way of the Samurai. I would advocate a 1970 leoville las cases, provided the mood was sombre.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 18:33 Sat 07 Jun 2014

Good sombre?

Post by **DRT** » 18:53 Sat 07 Jun 2014

djewesbury wrote:Good sombre?

Hopefully not as "good" as gin in such circumstances.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 20:36 Sat 07 Jun 2014

DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Good sombre?
Hopefully not as "good" as gin in such circumstances.

I was thinking reflective rather than wrist slashing.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 20:38 Sat 07 Jun 2014

LGTrotter wrote:
DRT wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Good sombre?
Hopefully not as "good" as gin in such circumstances.
I was thinking reflective rather than wrist slashing.

Phew. I like your new scoring system by the way.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 20:42 Sat 07 Jun 2014

djewesbury wrote:Phew. I like your new scoring system by the way.

Thanks, I was torn between that score and the slightly lower score of 'form is emptiness and emptiness is form'.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 09:49 Sun 08 Jun 2014

We'd need a new strand called Wine and Spirituality.

Post by **DRT** » 20:26 Thu 12 Jun 2014

DRT wrote:Sorry, Owen, I had submitted my bid before you told me to stop and am now the proud owner of these beauties...

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Try as I might I cannot find any reference to this producer anywhere on the web or in my books but did find "Château Maine Gazin" (note spelling) from the same region selling at £83 for a case of their 2005.

What could go wrong?

The seller wrote:I received this message from the courier - sorry for the inconvenience so i have refunded you in full.
The incompetent courier wrote:We have been informed by our depot that this parcel has been returned to them. Unfortunately this item has been damaged through the network and advise that the parcel contains liquid. Due to health and safety we have to advise that the depot is going to dispose of the item.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 21:52 Thu 12 Jun 2014

I was being nice before, you're better off without an unknown 35yo St Emillion. Put a bet on the footie and try to recoup your Brasil-Croatia losses. *crossing all the extremities*

AW77 · Post by **AW77** » 21:59 Thu 12 Jun 2014

That's really a shame. But you should always try to see the positive side of things: this accident helps you in your health and diet efforts.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 22:13 Thu 12 Jun 2014

Call me cynical, but I always get suspicious when a courier depot decides to dispose of something which is alcoholic.

If you want to be bloody minded, ask them exactly which Health & Safety regulation requires them to dispose of the consignment. And if it was my company give me full details by email please.

Post by **DRT** » 22:41 Thu 12 Jun 2014

LGTrotter wrote:I was being nice before, you're better off without an unknown 35yo St Emillion. Put a bet on the footie and try to recoup your Brasil-Croatia losses. *crossing all the extremities*

AW77 wrote:That's really a shame. But you should always try to see the positive side of things: this accident helps you in your health and diet efforts.

I am not too distressed about this loss, but I do think it is a very sad way for these bottles to go given that they waited nearly 40 years to be drunk.

AHB wrote:Call me cynical, but I always get suspicious when a courier depot decides to dispose of something which is alcoholic.

If you want to be bloody minded, ask them exactly which Health & Safety regulation requires them to dispose of the consignment. And if it was my company give me full details by email please.

I share your suspicion, but it was not your company. It rhymes with Herpes, and I wish it on the git in the white van who broke or nicked my bottles.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:42 Thu 12 Jun 2014

G77 Mag anyone?

AW77 · Post by **AW77** » 17:04 Mon 16 Jun 2014

I just saw an ad for this book in the TLS today. It might be of interest to this thread:

Title: Land and Wine: The French Terroir
Author: Frankel, Charles
Hardcover: 280 pages
Publisher: University of Chicago Press (4 April 2014)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 022601469X
ISBN-13: 978-0226014692
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Land-Wine-The-F ... 0226014692

Post by **DRT** » 16:30 Wed 18 Jun 2014

Purchased today from BBR for experimental purposes...

Sociando Mallett 1996
Cantemerle 2000
Pichon Baron 2005

I believe this is known as taking one for the team.

Reports to follow in the coming weeks.

Post by **DRT** » 22:37 Fri 27 Jun 2014

BBR are taking 20% off their BoB wines if you buy 6 or more.

The 2010 Pauillac, Ch. Lynch Bages was hard to resist at £135 IB.

...and I might also have bought these by mistake...

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djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 01:49 Sat 28 Jun 2014

Oh well done Derek. You just made me buy 12 bottles of wine at nearly 3 o'clock in the morning. I hope you're proud of yourself

Post by **DRT** » 07:52 Sat 28 Jun 2014

djewesbury wrote:Oh well done Derek. You just made me buy 12 bottles of wine at nearly 3 o'clock in the morning. I hope you're proud of yourself

to DRT.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 10:35 Sat 28 Jun 2014

djewesbury wrote:Oh well done Derek. You just made me buy 12 bottles of wine at nearly 3 o'clock in the morning. I hope you're proud of yourself

'Made me'? Thats pathetic, there's a man driving around with 77 Warre in his boot, Daniel explaining that he didn't want to buy the wine but that big bully Derek 'made him'. And there's me getting 24 bottles of Graham crusted 98 delivered to an address that isn't my own...

BTW did you get the 89 Batailley from BBR?

Post by **DRT** » 10:48 Sat 28 Jun 2014

LGTrotter wrote:BTW did you get the 89 Batailley from BBR?

No. From a guy who sometimes sells on BidForWine.com but also sells privately.

Post by **PhilW** » 12:05 Sat 28 Jun 2014

djewesbury wrote:Oh well done Derek. You just made me buy 12 bottles of wine at nearly 3 o'clock in the morning. I hope you're proud of yourself

... again?!

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 12:10 Sat 28 Jun 2014

PhilW wrote:
djewesbury wrote:Oh well done Derek. You just made me buy 12 bottles of wine at nearly 3 o'clock in the morning. I hope you're proud of yourself
... again?!

Let's just thank god I fell asleep while browsing winesearcher to do more damage. Can nobody invent an app that can't be accessed between midnight and 8 am??

RPA · Post by **RPA** » 19:02 Wed 09 Jul 2014

This makes for grim reading (and a site which has been mentioned previously on this thread):

http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-news/ ... k-merchant

Post by **DRT** » 19:57 Wed 09 Jul 2014

RPA wrote:This makes for grim reading (and a site which has been mentioned previously on this thread):

http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-news/ ... k-merchant

Forsooth!

I received a letter from their solicitor today asking me to register my claim as a creditor. The four cases I purchased in May are unlikely to materialised. Thankfully, my rather helpful credit card company has refunded the money to my account pending the outcome of the dispute.

RPA · Post by **RPA** » 20:08 Wed 09 Jul 2014

Ditto that. Ordered some 2012 bordeaux en primeur a good while ago and got (presumably) the same letter from Mr Ailyan at Abbott Fielding through the post. I also went down the credit card dispute route, although am concerned that they will un-refund the money if they don't get it back from the liquidation. Did you fill in and return the Proof of Debt form or are you letting the kind folk at Big Bad Bank do it for you?

Post by **DRT** » 20:32 Wed 09 Jul 2014

I'm going to fill in the form and let the bank do their thing too.

I might even pop along to say hello to the Directors at the meeting on 16th July at Bexleyheath to ask them why they invited me to buy more from them only three business hours before they instructed the solicitor to liquidate the company.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 20:35 Wed 09 Jul 2014

DRT wrote:I might even pop along to say hello to the Directors at the meeting on 16th July at Bexleyheath to ask them why they invited me to buy more from them only three business hours before they instructed the solicitor to liquidate the company.

Take a bat. Although the money is annoying it must throw out your claret stash plans, which is sort of worse.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 20:38 Wed 09 Jul 2014

RPA wrote:This makes for grim reading (and a site which has been mentioned previously on this thread):

http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-news/ ... k-merchant

Yes this is terrible, showing the fragility of the wine bubble. Now if I had some Noval Nacional for sale I would take the first offer over £100, before it's too late.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 20:43 Wed 09 Jul 2014

In these situations the Consumer Credit Act is pretty clear and is on your side. As far as I know, the credit cards have to give you your money back; whether they recoup it or not is their own petty concern.

RPA · Post by **RPA** » 20:47 Wed 09 Jul 2014

DRT wrote:I might even pop along to say hello to the Directors at the meeting on 16th July at Bexleyheath to ask them why they invited me to buy more from them only three business hours before they instructed the solicitor to liquidate the company.

Yup, they have made a big sales push recently, which I suspect based on their business model (this is purely my own, perhaps misguided, hypothesis) was to bring in enough revenue to settle and ship the 2011 en primeur orders, and they have probably fallen short of filling the backlog. I have the (nausea inducing) feeling there will be very little cash left in the kitty to settle any 2012 or 2013 (if anyone indeed bought any 2013) orders.

RPA · Post by **RPA** » 20:48 Wed 09 Jul 2014

djewesbury wrote:In these situations the Consumer Credit Act is pretty clear and is on your side. As far as I know, the credit cards have to give you your money back; whether they recoup it or not is their own petty concern.

That has allowed the nausea to subside slightly - I clearly need to do more homework.

RPA · Post by **RPA** » 20:57 Wed 09 Jul 2014

LGTrotter wrote:Now if I had some Noval Nacional for sale I would take the first offer over £100, before it's too late.

I'm just glad I didn't use the 'broking service' that En Primeur Ltd were offering. Oh the irony...

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 20:59 Wed 09 Jul 2014

RPA wrote:
LGTrotter wrote:Now if I had some Noval Nacional for sale I would take the first offer over £100, before it's too late.
I'm just glad I didn't use the 'broking service' that En Primeur Ltd were offering. Oh the irony...

Typical Owen. A measured barb that has the power to turn your stomach as you think of the consequences.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 21:02 Wed 09 Jul 2014

Apologies to RPA if my remarks were inopportune.

RPA · Post by **RPA** » 21:11 Wed 09 Jul 2014

LGTrotter wrote:Apologies to RPA if my remarks were inopportune.

Apology entirely unnecessary. "You can turn painful situations around through laughter. If you can find humor in anything, even poverty, you can survive it." Bill Cosby

Post by **DRT** » 21:51 Wed 09 Jul 2014

RPA wrote:
djewesbury wrote:In these situations the Consumer Credit Act is pretty clear and is on your side. As far as I know, the credit cards have to give you your money back; whether they recoup it or not is their own petty concern.
That has allowed the nausea to subside slightly - I clearly need to do more homework.

The statement that was very carefully read out by the young Indian girl on the telephone disagreed with this. I was told that the buyer protection clauses of the CCA 1974 did not apply but that the card company's policy was to refund the money to my account and help me recover it by making a claim against the debtor. That is why I am sending in the form and taking a bat to the creditor's meeting.

RPA · Post by **RPA** » 22:58 Wed 09 Jul 2014

After doing some research on the internet (which never lies...) it seems Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act is key, and should hopefully get us our money back.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shoppi ... -purchases

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 23:00 Wed 09 Jul 2014

RPA wrote:After doing some research on the internet (which never lies...) it seems Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act is key, and should hopefully get us our money back.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shoppi ... -purchases

Got me mine back after this. Not the same thing, I know, but you get the point.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 23:01 Wed 09 Jul 2014

NB The credit card company will not necessarily tell you about S75 themselves. You tell them. Then the carefully read statement will subtly alter.

RPA · Post by **RPA** » 23:07 Wed 09 Jul 2014

This helps eliminate the nausea further:

http://www.thewinedoctor.com/advisory/b ... mers.shtml

Specifically:

Using a credit card can also be a useful safeguard against non-delivery of wine, which may occur following collapse of a retailer's business. This is particularly relevant with wine purchased en primeur, where payment is made one or two years before delivery of the wine. In this situation, claiming from the credit company under 'equal liability' may be the only means of reclaiming your funds.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 23:16 Wed 09 Jul 2014

It's like 'You and Yours' round here...

Post by **DRT** » 23:19 Wed 09 Jul 2014

Perhaps we can get this story on Rip-off Britain?