It's just not cricket

Post by **flash_uk** » 10:52 Fri 30 Jan 2015

10:48 They're doing their very best to throw this one away...Taylor and Butler both gone.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 11:25 Fri 30 Jan 2015

djewesbury wrote:Two port houses are batting for England at the moment. Can anyone remember when the last time this happened might have been, before Morgan and Taylor?

Top port/cricket crossover fact

. Are we allowed first names too? As in Graham Swann.

Oh we won. Nothing much to moan about here now. Apart from Bell.

Post by **jdaw1** » 11:52 Fri 30 Jan 2015

Alas not quite Buttler ≠ Butler Nephew.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 12:22 Fri 30 Jan 2015

Yes I wondered whether Buttler should be allowed but I decided against.
Croft would have batted with Cork of course, and that would have provided a timely opportunity to open a bottle once Cork was out.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 12:24 Fri 30 Jan 2015

And Croft would also have got both Waughs out a few times..!

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 13:18 Fri 30 Jan 2015

There was a GRJ Roope who played for England, as did CP Schofield. D'Oliveira could form the basis of Madeira based cricket trivia. I assume that JF Crapp would represent Real Vinicola or whatever they are called.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 13:43 Fri 30 Jan 2015

I think once you'd got past D'Oliveira your Madeira XI might start to struggle. I don't have my Wisdens to hand but I cannot recall a Blandy or a Barbeito emerging from the Long Room on a late summer's afternoon.

Post by **flash_uk** » 15:21 Fri 30 Jan 2015

LGTrotter wrote:Are we allowed first names too? As in Graham Swann.

You could have Graham Onions perhaps, but not Graeme Swann.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 15:52 Fri 30 Jan 2015

flash_uk wrote:
LGTrotter wrote:Are we allowed first names too? As in Graham Swann.
You could have Graham Onions perhaps, but not Graeme Swann.

Regardless, the answer is no.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 18:32 Fri 30 Jan 2015

Lots of Smiths, no English Woodhouses, there is a Zimbabwian, he could have played with a Smith.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 18:57 Fri 30 Jan 2015

Owen, get on Cricinfo and find that match. Go on. Do it for us.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 19:04 Fri 30 Jan 2015

Owen, how did you miss Somerset batsman George Woodhouse?

Post by **jdaw1** » 20:58 Fri 30 Jan 2015

Tuke Holdsworth?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 21:05 Fri 30 Jan 2015

jdaw1 wrote:Tuke Holdsworth?

Nice, but neither of them played for England and their active careers were about 60 years apart.
So far we have still found no other English port-house partnership.
Is this worth an email to TMS?

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 22:50 Fri 30 Jan 2015

djewesbury wrote:So far we have still found no other English port-house partnership.
Is this worth an email to TMS?

Oh yes, that or wait until they are both in next time and get to twitter.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:51 Fri 30 Jan 2015

LGTrotter wrote:
djewesbury wrote:So far we have still found no other English port-house partnership.
Is this worth an email to TMS?
Oh yes, that or wait until they are both in next time and get to twitter.

That might not be too soon.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 23:00 Fri 30 Jan 2015

djewesbury wrote:
LGTrotter wrote:
djewesbury wrote:So far we have still found no other English port-house partnership.
Is this worth an email to TMS?
Oh yes, that or wait until they are both in next time and get to twitter.
That might not be too soon.

Yeah, anyway that celebrity junkie Wiseman will get in there first, I swear he would turn up to the opening of a letter.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 23:11 Fri 30 Jan 2015

They receive many thousands of emails so I don't expect a reply. If I could have encapsulated this in 140 characters perhaps I could have tweeted Jonathan Agnew, but this will have to do.

In an email to tms@bbc.co.uk, I wrote: I'm writing as a fan both of English cricket and vintage port. Listening to this morning's ODI against India I heard something that, to the best of my knowledge, has never happened before in an England match in any format. I was wondering whether TMS listeners who share my enthusiasm might be able to verify this.

The realisation came during the partnership of Morgan and Taylor, as England's batting was collapsing. Taylor is a very famous port brand; Morgan was a less famous but still well-known port house until quite recently. I think this was the first time that two port brands have batted in partnership for England.

Can anyone out there enlighten me on this? Are there any Grahams, Warres, Dows, Cockburns, Skeffingtons or Smith-Woodhouses who might have shared an innings with (for instance) Robert Croft?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 19:03 Mon 09 Feb 2015

On a brighter note, I now have tickets to both London Ashes tests. The next 7 weeks will pass in a blur of irrelevance while we wait for the real fun to start.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 22:21 Mon 09 Feb 2015

djewesbury wrote:On a brighter note, I now have tickets to both London Ashes tests. The next 7 weeks will pass in a blur of irrelevance while we wait for the real fun to start.

Hurray! An English summer would not be complete without your view from the boundary and attempts to smuggle seven courses and matching wines past the stewards.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 22:35 Mon 09 Feb 2015

LGTrotter wrote:
djewesbury wrote:On a brighter note, I now have tickets to both London Ashes tests. The next 7 weeks will pass in a blur of irrelevance while we wait for the real fun to start.
Hurray! An English summer would not be complete without your view from the boundary and attempts to smuggle seven courses and matching wines past the stewards.

At the Oval I will be accompanied by a young and enthusiastic cricket fan beloved of many here, who will help me in selecting the right wine for the hour of the day.

AW77 · Post by **AW77** » 23:05 Mon 09 Feb 2015

djewesbury wrote: At the Oval I will be accompanied by a young and enthusiastic cricket fan beloved of many here, who will help me in selecting the right wine for the hour of the day.

Let me guess, it's Derek, TPF's astronomer general?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 23:05 Mon 09 Feb 2015

Yes. It was the 'young' bit, right?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 23:06 Mon 09 Feb 2015

Yes. It was the 'young' bit, right?

AW77 · Post by **AW77** » 23:06 Mon 09 Feb 2015

djewesbury wrote:Yes. It was the 'young' bit, right?

It sure was.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 08:30 Wed 11 Feb 2015

Morgan out for 0. How many times is that now..?
Bring back Cook!

Post by **DRT** » 07:40 Fri 13 Feb 2015

djewesbury wrote:Morgan out for 0. How many times is that now..?
Bring back Cook!

Boycott, commenting on Morgan's performance, wrote:I think you need to look at when you score runs, in any form of cricket, against what the quality of the opposition is, and what state of the game it is. If you get runs against moderate bowlers when the team is doing well, I think my mother could get a few of them!

Is Daniel our Geoffrey?

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:49 Fri 13 Feb 2015

Twitterati might wish to know that searching for #CWC15 reveals tweets allegedly on the subject of the Cricket World Cup 2015.

Post by **DRT** » 15:09 Fri 13 Feb 2015

Perhaps we should Tweet #TPF-IJNCWC15 so that others can follow our expert observations during the tournament?

Post by **jdaw1** » 15:53 Fri 13 Feb 2015

DRT wrote:Perhaps we should Tweet #TPF-IJNCWC15 so that others can follow our expert observations during the tournament?

Tweet a lot with both #tags and see what happens.

Post by **DRT** » 09:24 Sat 14 Feb 2015

Another duck for Morgan. The vultures will be circling.

Bell and Root also out cheaply. 85-5 chasing 342 is not the best of starts.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 11:00 Sat 14 Feb 2015

How on earth can Anderson be run out when, prior to the review, the game was technically over and the ball dead? Surely that's a nonsense.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 11:06 Sat 14 Feb 2015

How on earth can Anderson be run out when, prior to the review, the game was technically over and the ball dead? Surely that's a nonsense.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 11:08 Sat 14 Feb 2015

Law 23. 'The ball will be deemed dead from the instant of the incident causing the dismissal.'
We seemed to have a situation where the players were supposed to complete their runs after the umpire's call, in case the umpire's call was overturned, so that if the umpire's call of out was overturned they wouldn't then be out! But isn't that dissent?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 11:08 Sat 14 Feb 2015

That last paragraph should be on a tea-towel.

Post by **DRT** » 11:16 Sat 14 Feb 2015

In this particular instance I'm not sure it matters.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 11:17 Sat 14 Feb 2015

It matters because the umpires are supposed to know the laws of the games. It's immaterial in this game except for Taylor; for whom it certainly matters.

Post by **DRT** » 11:20 Sat 14 Feb 2015

True. What I meant was that it didn't really matter in the context of how England would meet certain defeat following a largely shambolic performance.

Had they lost by a handful of runs it would have mattered a great deal.

Post by **DRT** » 11:21 Sat 14 Feb 2015

Morgan has scored only 2 runs in his last 5 innings. How many ducks does it take to make a crisis?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 11:24 Sat 14 Feb 2015

Yes. He's never been up to the job. I frankly don't understand why he was given the captaincy.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 11:25 Sat 14 Feb 2015

His county record is excellent but his general ODI form is fairly lousy.

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 11:28 Sat 14 Feb 2015

I think we need an old-fashioned Brearley-style captain. He can be a lousy player but has to be a match-winning strategist. When was the last time a bowler was captain (excluding Freddie)?

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 12:13 Sat 14 Feb 2015

djewesbury wrote:I think we need an old-fashioned Brearley-style captain. He can be a lousy player but has to be a match-winning strategist. When was the last time a bowler was captain (excluding Freddie)?

Too late! Stick with Morgan until after the World Cup then ditch him. He was always going to be a stopgap, but he had a chance to shine and keep the captaincy. A chance which he has blown.

Brearley worked for tests, I'm not sure that a slow scoring middlin fielder is what they need another one of at the moment.

Justin K · Post by **Justin K** » 21:44 Sat 14 Feb 2015

We could have done with him tomorrow and I bet he would have done better, nothing like national pride!

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 09:31 Sun 15 Feb 2015

The Windies were nearly beaten by Scotland the other day. Joyce seems to be playing well once again (another turncoat who's turned), and Ireland did well against Bangladesh.
I don't think you need Morgan to win. (But yes, he did stop scoring when he stopped wearing green.)

Post by **DRT** » 12:02 Sun 15 Feb 2015

I listened to the Pakistan innings on R5LSX this morning and it sounded like a resounding victory for India. Good to see strong performances so early in the tournament - it bodes well for later on when we start to see the good teams playing against each other.

Roll on next Sunday - Ally McLeod tells me he's had a dream...

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 14:38 Sun 15 Feb 2015

Steady Derek you are starting to sound excited about the one dayers, whereas the main point of one day matches is so we can moan about the test side.

Post by **DRT** » 15:39 Sun 15 Feb 2015

Sorry. Schoolboy error.

What the hell was Root thinking yesterday? So much for him being the next best thing since sliced bread - more like the next Ian Bell!

Is that better?

djewesbury · Post by **djewesbury** » 23:39 Sun 15 Feb 2015

Looks like Ireland a doing a Sion Mills.

LGTrotter · Post by **LGTrotter** » 23:47 Sun 15 Feb 2015

djewesbury wrote:Looks like Ireland a doing a Sion Mills.

Was she the one in Bananarama?