I saw that too, but thought it didn’t really fit. Maybe it does.LGTrotter wrote:I see 'tried' as well.Glenn E. wrote:Looks like "Tried" to me...
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I thought 'tried' as in 'tasted'. The comma after 'tried' made me wonder though.jdaw1 wrote:I saw that too, but thought it didn’t really fit. Maybe it does.LGTrotter wrote:I see 'tried' as well.Glenn E. wrote:Looks like "Tried" to me...
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Tried.
The way I worked this out was to look at the individual letters. First we see a capital T. This is followed by a small r. The next three letters are i, e and d. I put these all together, making sure to keep them in the right order, and the word they spelled out was Tried.
Tried.
Glad to be helpful.
The way I worked this out was to look at the individual letters. First we see a capital T. This is followed by a small r. The next three letters are i, e and d. I put these all together, making sure to keep them in the right order, and the word they spelled out was Tried.
Tried.
Glad to be helpful.
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Good technique. Thank you. “Tried” it must be.djewesbury wrote:put these all together, making sure to keep them in the right order
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This is in the Handwriting thread because it is a question about book sources, even though it isn’t about handwriting.
About five years ago the image on the right was on an East European wine merchant’s website. Is the picture real? I’m not even asking if the very white labels are new. Is the image substantially a digital creation? Were there real bottles bearing these labels?
About five years ago the image on the right was on an East European wine merchant’s website. Is the picture real? I’m not even asking if the very white labels are new. Is the image substantially a digital creation? Were there real bottles bearing these labels?
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Difficult to tell for certain, however several factors point to at least partial, if not whole digital creation:jdaw1 wrote:Is the image substantially a digital creation? Were there real bottles bearing these labels?
- the most compelling is error-level analysis which looks like the dates on the 1952 and 1967 have been added at a different resolution, or to a previously saved image, prior to quantisation; the stencil test on the left-hand bottle shows similar potential characteristics, but the blurring makes this harder to judge.
- the chance of almost-consecutive selos on the '52 and '67 bottles would be slim.
- the hue of the wine within all three bottles, but particularly between the right-hand bottles is so close as to be suspicious (though they could be a manipulated photo of actual physical bottles, potentially all filled with "something", with dummy undated labels, and then the dates added after in photoshop as wanted).
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I agree with the conclusion.PhilW wrote:Difficult to tell for certain, however several factors point to at least partial, if not whole digital creation:
Good spot.PhilW wrote:- the most compelling is error-level analysis which looks like the dates on the 1952 and 1967 have been added at a different resolution, or to a previously saved image, prior to quantisation; the stencil test on the left-hand bottle shows similar potential characteristics, but the blurring makes this harder to judge.
The bottles (or the bottles to which the labels were digitally added) could have been recently ex-cellars, and so recently selo’d.PhilW wrote:- the chance of almost-consecutive selos on the '52 and '67 bottles would be slim.
Good spot again.PhilW wrote:- the hue of the wine within all three bottles, but particularly between the right-hand bottles is so close as to be suspicious (though they could be a manipulated photo of actual physical bottles, potentially all filled with "something", with dummy undated labels, and then the dates added after in photoshop as wanted).
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I would say mostly if not entirely digital. It is at the very minimum a (poor) digital composition.
In particular, the 1967 in front looks completely off. The fill level isn't smooth, and doesn't appear to be level. We're looking down at the bottle and the fill doesn't jive with our angle of viewing. Furthermore, the color of the Port is completely off. That's a tawny - and a light one at that - not a VP behind that light green glass.
The blurring of the whitewash on the 1939 has been synthetically cleaned up as well. Add to that the fact that I've searched far and wide for 1939 Ports (my mother's birth year), and I've never seen that one.
In particular, the 1967 in front looks completely off. The fill level isn't smooth, and doesn't appear to be level. We're looking down at the bottle and the fill doesn't jive with our angle of viewing. Furthermore, the color of the Port is completely off. That's a tawny - and a light one at that - not a VP behind that light green glass.
The blurring of the whitewash on the 1939 has been synthetically cleaned up as well. Add to that the fact that I've searched far and wide for 1939 Ports (my mother's birth year), and I've never seen that one.
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“Deep with Rich nice nose”. And I think the last word is “acidity”. Please say more.
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On arrival, lacks acidity.
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Deep col
Rich nice nose
On ??? lacks acidity
Rich nice nose
On ??? lacks acidity
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I don’t see that. Do others?PhilW wrote:col
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I saw 'col' (diminutive of colour) but I also saw 'and'. 'On something lacks acidity'. The something could be 'arrival', but this doesn't seem to make sense.jdaw1 wrote:I don’t see that. Do others?PhilW wrote:col
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I saw “w/”, not favoured by others.LGTrotter wrote:I saw 'col'jdaw1 wrote:I don’t see that. Do others?PhilW wrote:col
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What would "w/" mean?jdaw1 wrote:I saw “w/”, not favoured by others.
I saw 'rich big nose' here.PhilW wrote:Rich nice nose
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I might mean “with”, which would fit.LGTrotter wrote:What would "w/" mean?
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I'm surprised by the disagreement here; I thought the text was quite clear except for the antepenultimate word.
I should however have included a period or comma (not sure which) after "Rich".
The missing word might be one or two words, perhaps "????end" or "???? end"
I should however have included a period or comma (not sure which) after "Rich".
The missing word might be one or two words, perhaps "????end" or "???? end"
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How about
"on bin end
lacks acidity"
"on bin end
lacks acidity"
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I want the penultimate word to be “until”, but it stubbornly persists in looking like “with”. He’s not the Messiah.
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Might "witt" help at all (can't see how, but... and it's definitely not "woger")
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The context suggests it could be "bott", but only the last two letters fit that.
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
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Based on the word "wood" the first letter is a "w", then looks like an "i", then the "t", the last being possibly an "h" as it has a distinctive bump in it and is not a smooth upturn like the other T's in the words.
Looks like "With" which would not be uncommon to use one to top up/refresh the other. So would make sense
Looks like "With" which would not be uncommon to use one to top up/refresh the other. So would make sense
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It looks like "with" to me. I wonder if there is an older use, or perhaps a dialect, where "with" can mean "until"?
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Mixed-vintage tawny it is.
Do peeps agree that the last word in this reprehensible Port is “bad”?
“Rather smelly nose. Light very shallow and rather short & bad” — hasn’t sold it to me.
Do peeps agree that the last word in this reprehensible Port is “bad”?
“Rather smelly nose. Light very shallow and rather short & bad” — hasn’t sold it to me.
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“Poor nose and very pleasant wine. Will last, but really also is drinkable now”?