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Can LGTrotter bring some cider?

RAYC and THRA drink Fonseca.

benread drinks Ferreira alone?

djewesbury wrote:Is LGTrotter allowed Fonseca Guimaraens?

No.

DRT wrote:DJ is allowed Dow to himself?

An attendee called DJ would not. Neither would DJEWESBURY. Nor would djewesbury.

djewesbury wrote:Is LGTrotter allowed Graham's Malvedos Crusted?

no.

djewesbury wrote:A new member has joined. His handle is 1. Can he drink Dow?

no, though attendees only have letters in their names (hence JDAW instead of JDAW1) which I did to keep things simple.

DRT wrote:AP can drink Dow alone?

no.

jdaw1 wrote:I request a specific clue. In which of C and Pascal does the question master prefer to program?

C. However this puzzle is much simpler than that and requires no programming.

jdaw1 wrote:And is it true that only one person may drink the Sandeman?

jdaw1 wrote:And is it true that only one person may drink the Tuke Holdsworth?

In principle, there is no reason why one, two (or more) suitable attendees might not be allowed to drink either Sandeman or Tuke Holdsworth.

DRT wrote:Can CMAG drink Morgan alone

No.

DRT wrote:LGTrotter and djewesbury get to drink Quinta do Noval Nacional?

No, I'm afraid not.

DRT wrote:Can Cookie drink Tuke Holdsworth alone?

No.

DRT wrote:Can djewesbury drink Sandeman alone?

No.

LGTrotter wrote:Can Conky?

do what - drink Sandeman alone? no.

djewesbury wrote:Can I drink Prosecco if I want?

djewesbury would not be allowed to drink prosecco.

djewesbury wrote:Can LGTrotter drink Hooper?

No.

DRT wrote:Can LGTrotter bring some cider?

No restriction on what anyone may bring. LGTrotter would not be allowed to drink cider, however.

LGTrotter wrote:RAYC and THRA drink Fonseca.

No.

DRT wrote:benread drinks Ferreira alone?

No.

An extra clue will be provided tonight, if not solved before then.

Can ADV and AHB drink Quevedo?

And after a suitable intervening question... (Reader: please feel free to post my use of 3 dots instead of an ellipsis into the ellipsis crimes thread)

Is JDAW the only person allowed to drink the water?

PhilW wrote:

jdaw1 wrote:I request a specific clue. In which of C and Pascal does the question master prefer to program?

C. However this puzzle is much simpler than that and requires no programming.

jdaw1 wrote:And is it true that only one person may drink the Sandeman?

jdaw1 wrote:And is it true that only one person may drink the Tuke Holdsworth?

In principle, there is no reason why one, two (or more) suitable attendees might not be allowed to drink either Sandeman or Tuke Holdsworth.

My ill-formed reasoning shot down in flames. But, assuming the question master understood my nudge-and-wink request for a clue, that is if numbers are being assigned to letters, A=0 rather than A=1.

jdaw1 wrote:

PhilW wrote:Several member of TPF attend a port tasting with special rules on who may drink what. As a consequence of these rules:

DRT + AHB are allowed to drink the Croft together
DRT + JDAW are allowed to drink the Taylor together
PHILW is allowed to drink the Fonseca by himself
JDAW + AHB are allowed to drink the Warre together
Only one person at the tasting is allowed to drink water

By determining the rules of the tasting, propose another attendee and what he/she would be allowed to drink either on their own or together with others.

As yet, I understand nothing. But I do know that a riddle constructed by Phil will have been carefully constructed.

Carefully, yes. Entirely correctly, no
In fact JDAW+AHB would not be allowed to drink the Warre (that'll teach me to use a pencil and paper instead of writing C code!)
I should perhaps instead have noted that DRT + AHB + JDAW are allowed to drink the Martinez together.
Sadly PHILW will never get to drink the WARRE, either by himself or with others.

Obviously the above correction will now make the answers blindingly obvious and the riddle will be solved in a jiffy. If not, a more significant clue this evening (and yes I'm ignoring your last question JDAW, since the clue will be roughly an answer to that, but to allow reconsideration with my correction first).

AHB wrote:Can ADV and AHB drink Quevedo?

No.

AHB wrote:Is JDAW the only person allowed to drink the water?

No.

I am overjoyed by this news.

PhilW wrote:

djewesbury wrote:Can LGTrotter drink Hooper?

No.

Please verify arithmetic.

jdaw1 wrote:Sometimes a tough puzzle repays some effort. Respect the question master give it some thought.

PhilW wrote:Carefully, yes. Entirely correctly, no

I humbly apologise to Derek and Daniel for my failure to appreciate and respect the subtlety and scale of their wisdom. (Include this post by reference.)

jdaw1 wrote:

jdaw1 wrote:Sometimes a tough puzzle repays some effort. Respect the question master give it some thought.

PhilW wrote:Carefully, yes. Entirely correctly, no

I humbly apologise to Derek and Daniel for my failure to appreciate and respect the subtlety and scale of their wisdom. (Include this post by reference.)

Accepted. I spose.

jdaw1 wrote:

jdaw1 wrote:Sometimes a tough puzzle repays some effort. Respect the question master give it some thought.

PhilW wrote:Carefully, yes. Entirely correctly, no

I humbly apologise to Derek and Daniel for my failure to appreciate and respect the subtlety and scale of their wisdom. (Include this post by reference.)

This quiz just gets better and better. The gift that keeps on giving indeed. And then there is the matter of Daniel's s'pose.

LGTrotter wrote:

jdaw1 wrote:

jdaw1 wrote:Sometimes a tough puzzle repays some effort. Respect the question master give it some thought.

PhilW wrote:Carefully, yes. Entirely correctly, no

I humbly apologise to Derek and Daniel for my failure to appreciate and respect the subtlety and scale of their wisdom. (Include this post by reference.)

This quiz just gets better and better. The gift that keeps on giving indeed. And then there is the matter of Daniel's s'pose.

I was using the Molesworth spelling, widely now accepted as 'creckt'.

I make no accusation; I merely reflect on glasshouses and those within.

RLC can drink Taylor

jdaw1 wrote:

PhilW wrote:

djewesbury wrote:Can LGTrotter drink Hooper?

No.

Please verify arithmetic.

Verified. LGTrotter is not allowed to drink Hooper; and indeed would not be allowed to drink it together with anyone else, either.

AHB wrote:RLC can drink Taylor

No.

LGTrotter wrote:I make no accusation; I merely reflect on glasshouses and those within.

CMAG and JHG can drink Warre

AHB wrote:CMAG and JHG can drink Warre

No.

ok, a clue: you (almost certainly) all have an item in your position which provides the key to this puzzle.
Another clue this evening, if needed.

PhilW wrote:ok, a clue: you (almost certainly) all have an item in your position which provides the key to this puzzle.
Another clue this evening, if needed.

A front door, a piece of cheese, a corkscrew, some port, a key, a drawer full of things that don't really belong anywhere, a table, eyes, I could go on but you see what I mean.

Hang on do you mean possession or position?

LGTrotter wrote:

PhilW wrote:ok, a clue: you (almost certainly) all have an item in your position which provides the key to this puzzle.
Another clue this evening, if needed.

A front door, a piece of cheese, a corkscrew, some port, a key, a drawer full of things that don't really belong anywhere, a table, eyes, I could go on but you see what I mean.

42 essays of variable merit, a biro (from the stationery cupboard; which is also stationary, thank goodness), a phone, a Wispa (disappearing), a desire to be elsewhere, perhaps in the Bung Hole about 28 hours from now, a tote bag containing a book about Adobe Dreamweaver, a very nice Magee tweed jacket which gets compliments wherever I go and which I complement with a contrasting pocket square.
Which is it?

djewesbury wrote:

LGTrotter wrote:

PhilW wrote:ok, a clue: you (almost certainly) all have an item in your position which provides the key to this puzzle.
Another clue this evening, if needed.

A front door, a piece of cheese, a corkscrew, some port, a key, a drawer full of things that don't really belong anywhere, a table, eyes, I could go on but you see what I mean.

42 essays of variable merit, a biro (from the stationery cupboard; which is also stationary, thank goodness), a phone, a Wispa (disappearing), a desire to be elsewhere, perhaps in the Bung Hole about 28 hours from now, a tote bag containing a book about Adobe Dreamweaver, a very nice Magee tweed jacket which gets compliments wherever I go and which I complement with a contrasting pocket square.
Which is it?

I have no nice tweed jacket which gets compliments wherever I go. It is assiduously ignored by those who should know better. So we can eliminate nice tweed jackets that get compliments from our enquiries, but not all tweed jackets. I shall do a venn diagram of the pleasingness of tweed jackets.

LGTrotter wrote:

djewesbury wrote:

LGTrotter wrote:

PhilW wrote:ok, a clue: you (almost certainly) all have an item in your position which provides the key to this puzzle.
Another clue this evening, if needed.

A front door, a piece of cheese, a corkscrew, some port, a key, a drawer full of things that don't really belong anywhere, a table, eyes, I could go on but you see what I mean.

42 essays of variable merit, a biro (from the stationery cupboard; which is also stationary, thank goodness), a phone, a Wispa (disappearing), a desire to be elsewhere, perhaps in the Bung Hole about 28 hours from now, a tote bag containing a book about Adobe Dreamweaver, a very nice Magee tweed jacket which gets compliments wherever I go and which I complement with a contrasting pocket square.
Which is it?

I have no nice tweed jacket which gets compliments wherever I go. It is assiduously ignored by those who should know better.

That rules that one out then. The Wispa? Is yours speaking to you?
Is nobody going to pick Phil up on his confusion of position and possession? I'm marking essays right now and in no mood for leniency.

Why did George Michael have chocolate on his collar? Because he was careless with his wispa.

LGTrotter wrote:Why did George Michael have chocolate on his collar? Because he was careless with his wispa.

GIve that man a round of applause.

I think Phil should be made to only drink water at the next tasting.

djewesbury wrote:Is nobody going to pick Phil up on his confusion of position and possession? I'm marking essays right now and in no mood for leniency.

Yes.I am.

DRT wrote:I think Phil should be made to only drink water at the next tasting.

That will be a two-litre bottle of WHAT??? (Is that an Imperial?)

DRT wrote:I think Phil should be made to only drink water at the next tasting.

PhilW wrote:ok, a clue: you (almost certainly) all have an item in your position which provides the key to this puzzle.
Another clue this evening, if needed.

I resent the implication in the word 'another' that you have given a clue. I assume that you have been to the Jewesbury school of clues, ie clues that have no inherent clueness in them.

LGTrotter wrote:

PhilW wrote:ok, a clue: you (almost certainly) all have an item in your position which provides the key to this puzzle.
Another clue this evening, if needed.

I resent the implication in the word 'another' that you have given a clue. I assume that you have been to the Jewesbury school of clues, ie clues that have no inherent clueness in them.

ok, TWO more clues:
1. The letter A does not represent the number 0 or 1... In fact no letter represents 0 or 1
2. Despite LGTrotter's resentment, the previous clue did cause someone to mention the item which provides a key to the puzzle (and yes, "possession")

The item is a phone. It's something to do with the allocation of letters to numbers on the phone dial. 0 and 1 traditionally have no letters allocated to them; although I seem to remember Q and Z were allocated to 0 on our old dial phone when I was a bairn.

Am I correct?

So WARRE is 92773. Are we adding the numbers together like a numerologist? 9+2+7+7+3=28. 2+8=10. 1+0=1.

Now what?

djewesbury wrote:So WARRE is 92773. Are we adding the numbers together like a numerologist? 9+2+7+7+3=28. 2+8=10. 1+0=1.

Now what?

Add up the values of the drinkers and the port houses and compare the results to see is there is a pattern that explains why some drink alone and some in pairs. Then work out what is so unusual about Water. Then tell us the answer and ask a question about whisky cask numbers.

Not my turn. But AHB+DRT+JDAW = 45.

Oh no. Which keypad? Rephrased, does O=0 (UK Classic Key Pad) or does O=6 (International Standard Key Pad)? Surely on ThePortForum.com it must be UK-bottled?

Presumably the keypad that everyone now uses as standard...

Is it ‘transitive’? Meaning that, if A+B can drink shipper, and B+C can drink the same shipper, is it certain that A+C can also drink that shipper?

And if three pairs can, is it certain that A+B+C can?

Is he talking to us?
Does he know he's talking out loud?

djewesbury wrote:Presumably the keypad that everyone now uses as standard...

Yes, except that this is a forum to discuss UK-bottled 1970 ports (and a few older things).

jdaw1 wrote:

djewesbury wrote:Presumably the keypad that everyone now uses as standard...

Yes, except that this is a forum to discuss UK-bottled 1970 ports (and a few older things).

Not exclusively, by any definition. I rather think that Phil has used the current international keypad.

Cookie can drink Croft.
BMHR+CMAG+THRA+PhilW can drink Tuke Holdsworth.
JDAW+DRT+THRA can drink Gould Campbell.
DRT can drink Dow.
BMHR+DRT+THRA can drink Hutcheson.
DRT can drink Cálem.
JDAW+BMHR+DRT can drink Burmester.
KZZM can drink Fonseca.

(A question with that structure would have been more elegant if ‘transitive’.)

I need a question.

Back on page 183 jdaw1 wrote:I have a good question, but it has only a few hours shelf life remaining. So I’d like to win. But this objective is slightly hampered by my having no idea what the answer might be.

Something happened last Friday. Something similar happened previously, and was important to this thread. What did the two things have in common?

jdaw1 wrote:

Back on page 183 jdaw1 wrote:I have a good question, but it has only a few hours shelf life remaining. So I’d like to win. But this objective is slightly hampered by my having no idea what the answer might be.

Something happened last Friday. Something similar happened previously, and was important to this thread. What did the two things have in common?

Hold on. Not so fast. You haven't explained your answer, nor has the question-setter approved it.
Back to your seat please, Wiseman, the exam is not over yet. You may count your pencils.

djewesbury wrote:Hold on. Not so fast. You haven't explained your answer, nor has the question-setter approved it.
Back to your seat please, Wiseman, the exam is not over yet. You may count your pencils.

Back on page 186, immediately after the question about the bizarre port tasting was asked, djewesbury wrote:Julian's turn.

The question setter did not ask for an explanation.

PhilW wrote:By determining the rules of the tasting, propose another attendee and what he/she would be allowed to drink either on their own or together with others.

jdaw1 wrote:KZZM can drink Fonseca.

The point about the question-setter is fair.

Explain your working!

djewesbury wrote:Explain your working!

Not important. Because non-‘transitive’, tiresome. So left as an exercise for the reader.